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Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.13 02:18:00 - [61]
 

In the other hand buying your way to victory in a game defeats its purpose. Depends on the player point of view.

Imho MMORPG all have grind and its part of the fun process of getting "stronger". Putting a gameshark code for infinite money pretty much facks all sense of accomplishment to me.

Cambarus
Malicious Destruction
War Against the Manifest
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:54:00 - [62]
 

Few things wrong with the OPs logic:

1) You assume that everyone has the ability to just work a couple extra hours/get another job. Easier said than done.

2)You're comparing working at a job to grinding in an MMO. If playing eve bothers you that much, maybe you should find a hobby you actually enjoy? Alternately, if you want to play eve in a more CS in space sort of way, why not hop on the test server and forget about all this silliness WRT worrying about isk?

3)125mil an hour is the amount you're boasting? That's what a moderately competent dual boxing highsec level 4 mission runner can pull in. Some people (such as myself) can use more toons to pull in notably more, but dual boxing lvl 4s is a fairly easy task, requires little effort, and entails actually playing a game you supposedly enjoy playing.

Estephania
Independent Political Analysts
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:57:00 - [63]
 

Edited by: Estephania on 13/07/2011 06:21:20
Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
No [...] profession in eve pays out 125 million isk an hour.

I beg to differ.

Quite a few things in EVE yield noticeably more than 125 mil ISK/hour.
And some of them are grind-based.

In fact, it is not just theoretically, but also practically possible to have an income well in excess of 1 bil ISK per actual hour "worked" in trading... hell, even much more.


125 mill ISK per hour can be done in game. I'm talking about 400 mill ISK per hour. You say it can be done with trading? Yes, you are probably right, but don't you need several billions in operating capital to make this much in trading? And how you get those? Grind? Or buy GTC's? If I buy GTC's for that, why not buy GTC's to actually play and bypass the grind in any form altogether? And don't make a mistake/ I'd prefer a game without ANY RMT and without ANY multiboxing. But if the game makes it possible for me to avoid "less fun" aspects of ISK making, why not use it? I have other hobbies than Eve' like stamp collecting and travelling. They cost MUCH more than that $15, so if CCP makes RMT legal, why not use that?

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.13 06:11:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Jose Black
If you have the feeling you're grinding and wasting time in a game you should not stop thinking at how you could optimize it. Instead you should just leave the game it altogether and use your time properly elsewhere.

I for myself play for the fun of it. If I can pile up ISK and assets while having a good time it's even better.

Also taking part in a community that is spread all around the world even in far countries I'll probably never visit in person is not socializing? I do socialize far less being at work I'm afraid. Again if you miss socializing in game you're doing it wrong - in my opinion.


THIS.

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.07.13 06:18:00 - [65]
 

There are no places in RL in my country where you can just go and work ("grind") to earn money as you, and when you, please...

If there are such places in OP's country please tell me where do you live so i can immigrate to your country...Very Happy
Thank you...

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.07.13 09:01:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 13/07/2011 09:03:33
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 12/07/2011 14:34:38
Originally by: Alisha Firesale
It is better and more time efficient to work in reallife and use that money to buy plexes to sell for isk than to grind for hours:

Cost of 1 Plex = 20e (euros)
European average minimum wage = 6 euros an hour
So if you get paid slightly higer than the minimum wage it takes 3 hours buy 1 plex

Plex ISK price = 375m / 3 = 125m a hour

That's basically correct.

Quote:
No other profession in eve pays out 125million isk an hour. Not only that by working you are advancing your work career and socialising instead of sittig infront of a PC all day grinding for 15mill a hour.

Assuming that your post attempts to advise people to stop grinding and work RL instead: This is where your logic breaks down. ISK != Euro. Real life work is paid in real life cash, which you exchange for ISK. This exchange can only work if people generate isk, which is only possible through grind. More people following your advice would raise the :ISK exchange ratio and affect your calculation accordingly. You'd have to put in more RL work per ISK.

So in essence: BE careful what you wish for. You just might get it.


The logic does not break down...

Yes it does.

The ISK worth of PLEX is directly linked to the amount of time people put into grinding. The ISK you receive for your PLEX exists because someone took the time to generate it. Hence, if everybody would follow your advice, you'd be paying more PLEX per isk. Eventually, the exchange ratio would reach the breaking point where You can generate more isk than a PLEX is worth with little time investment.

To be honest, this is already the case for many veteran players. Making 400m isk doesn't take long if you know what you're doing and have the skills to pull it off.

So again, you should be happy there's people willing to put in the work so you can buy your PLEXs. With this thread, essentially, you're ****ing in your own soup.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.07.13 09:14:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 13/07/2011 09:15:26
I dont know about you, but without touching buying isk/grinding issue, personally I feel that Im no longer getting my moneys worth from Eve. Thats why Im angry.

This is in direct relation to the "cost" of playing eve.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.13 10:36:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Estephania
125 mill ISK per hour can be done in game. I'm talking about 400 mill ISK per hour. You say it can be done with trading? Yes, you are probably right, but don't you need several billions in operating capital to make this much in trading? And how you get those? Grind? Or buy GTC's? If I buy GTC's for that, why not buy GTC's to actually play and bypass the grind in any form altogether? And don't make a mistake/ I'd prefer a game without ANY RMT and without ANY multiboxing. But if the game makes it possible for me to avoid "less fun" aspects of ISK making, why not use it? I have other hobbies than Eve' like stamp collecting and travelling. They cost MUCH more than that $15, so if CCP makes RMT legal, why not use that?

No reason at all you shouldn't use that if you can't make that much ISK/hour easily Twisted Evil
The only "problem" being that if too many people do it, you start getting less ISK per cash, but then again, that's not such a bad thing at all.
I, for one, would welcome an even faster PLEX price drop nowadays Smile

SidneyB
Posted - 2011.07.13 10:48:00 - [69]
 

6/h * 10h/d * 24d/mo (that's if you have Saturday and Sunday free) = 1440 /mo

Now, in my country, the avg. wage is 300ish /mo, for 12h/d 6d/w. I'd rather "grind" a few hours ingame and make money for a plex than pay my RL money that even so are not nearly enough.

PS: If you only make 15mil/h then you're doing eve wrong.

Mors Magne
Astral Adventure
Posted - 2011.07.13 10:56:00 - [70]
 

I think it's good that Eve uses peoples' differences to create markets. Differences are the foundation of trade.

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:13:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Uuali


I buy PLEX to catch up with the high schoolers who have the summer off to play this game.


Kinda my thoughts too.
If i'm working hard to earn RL cash chances are it's at the detriment of my EVE "career" so why shouldn't i be allowed to spend some money on ISK since if i wasn't working hard to earn that money i'd be playingEVE to earn that ISK anyway.

We all say RL > EVE though for some it seems that doesn't apply to the art of earning money.

ChaeDoc II
Gallente
Sigillum Militum Xpisti
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:21:00 - [72]
 

Also, OP... it's 2 for a coffee down the road from my place. If i earned 10/hour it'd have to save me 12 minutes for it to be economical for me to hire them to make the coffee for me. That's before materials. Why do i still buy their coffee? Because i like it better.

Many people prefer to earn their ISK in game through grinding or building up an in-game business. To them it's more gratifying that way. Others don't have the spare time to do that and that's fine too.

Cunane Jeran
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:27:00 - [73]
 

I'd rather spend the money on a night out, decent meal, cinema or whatever than a PvP ship which is going to just get blobbed anyway.

Each to their own I guess. I'm currently making more than enough through trading alongside whatever else I feel like doing outside of PvP without it being a grind.


Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:45:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Alisha Firesale on 13/07/2011 11:45:15

Seems like so many people are mad in this thread. Ive been playing eve for years, i know how to trade in jita, rush through lvl4s and run a pos chain. But these days after doing all those money making activities for so long im bored of doing it. I have MORE THAN ENOUGH money to buy 10/20 GTCs to sell a month and it wont even hurt financially. Yes i understand not everyone can do that but for those that can the isk/hour reward is far greater than 99% of professions ingame.

By doing this i save time. This time i can use to work more, socialise more in RL or doing the fun stuff in eve

Alisha Firesale
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:47:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: SidneyB
6�/h * 10h/d * 24d/mo (that's if you have Saturday and Sunday free) = 1440 /mo

Now, in my country, the avg. wage is 300ish /mo, for 12h/d 6d/w. I'd rather "grind" a few hours ingame and make money for a plex than pay my RL money that even so are not nearly enough.

PS: If you only make 15mil/h then you're doing eve wrong.


obviously not everyone can do it. I earn over 5000e/month, buying GTCs doesnt dent my wallet

manbeef largeyems
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:51:00 - [76]
 

Only people who are mad are the beta males. The males with ****ty jobs and cant afford to buy GTCs

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.07.13 13:38:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Akita T
The only "problem" being that if too many people do it, you start getting less ISK per cash, but then again, that's not such a bad thing at all.

When I started selling GTC's they were getting me 500 Million ISK. Now they get me 700 Million ISK...

Originally by: manbeef largeyems
Only people who are mad are the beta males. The males with ****ty jobs and cant afford to buy GTCs

This...

I often see people complain about how we don't need many things we enjoy. They are often the people who can't afford it anyway. Then they will say "Even if I could I wouldn't do it". Great fine. But like another poster I make 5K a month and my wife another 5K a month. With no kids we have plenty of discretionary income to do as we please. Such is life. Do what you want, ignore the rest...

Dalek Commander
Posted - 2011.07.13 13:43:00 - [78]
 

I enjoy playing eve, and making isk to continue doing it. A couple of plexs/anoms a week keeps 2 accounts running, and enough pvp ships to get a few hundred kills a month. It works out in the end, and I get to keep my real cash for more important stuff.


Murev Vorchilde
Caldari
End Game.
Posted - 2011.07.13 13:49:00 - [79]
 

you could even hire a chinese guy to play the game for you and never have to log in again

Barakkus
Posted - 2011.07.13 13:53:00 - [80]
 

I make about a bil in 10 hours...cheaper to run incursions...

People I run with generally make 150mil/hour on average just doing incursions, and that's without selling implants etc you can pick up with the LP.


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