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Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2011.07.12 07:31:00 - [1]

What changes are going to be made to PI thats going to make it worth fighting for to need to use dust players?

Malachor Jankor
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.12 08:02:00 - [2]

Honestly they can have mine. I'll give em up without a fight.

Posted - 2011.07.12 08:05:00 - [3]

thats a very good pointcant really think of a reason to waste any extra time on it tbh

Minerva Altari
Posted - 2011.07.12 10:58:00 - [4]

How about materials needed for T2 or future T3 production.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:18:00 - [5]

Originally by: Minerva Altari
How about materials needed for T2 or future T3 production.

i would sh!t my pants if PI could produce t2 materials

Jint Hikaru
OffWorld Exploration Inc
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:30:00 - [6]

Originally by: Malachor Jankor
Honestly they can have mine. I'll give em up without a fight.

I have already given mine up without a fight....
Got tired of it.

Gurgeh Murat
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:33:00 - [7]

Very good point Morgs. One idea may be to skew the isk value between eve and dust, we pay a pittance to a dust squad to take a planet and its like diamonds rain from heaven for them. This overcomes the problem of hiring soldiers cutting into the margins.

The problem there ofc is that a wealthy eve patron can make them bazillionares with a fraction of his wallet.

Ramp up the value of PI products? Then we can watch as even more POS get stored away for better times.

About the only possible solution would be for CCP to totally rework the PI system in order to introduce new materials/processes which can only be done in nullsec and have a much higher value than high/lowsec PI.

Very interesting question though. I do hope CCP have a plan for this otherwise dust really could be a phenomenal failure. Considering how dust seems to be hurting EvE development already, it would be a shame if dust was the fail that killed the golden goose.

Hawk Firestorm
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:45:00 - [8]

From what I understand planets will be fought over by Dust players and can be contracted to do so by eve players, in the same fashion Eve peeps fight over other areas of space cept on the ground.

Eve players providing orbital support etc.

Personally I think Dust has great potential, although not in its current design.

The biggest mistake being they opted to make dust for the Playstation, eve is PC based which is probably the most bizzare choice I can think off.

To completely ignore a already large consumer base and try link 2 MMO's operating on 2 different platforms, bad idea.

Being able to seemlessly go from eve and move into the Dust arena and vice versa would have opened up many fronts both for eve and dust, sadly it seems CCP has lost its way design wise.

Personally I can't see the point at all for incarna, and the Capt's Cabin, it adds nothing to eve nor its gameplay and I couldn't give a hoot for costumes etc, and I'm sure I'm far from alone there, people play eve for the game, and their direct enviroment not a station interior.

Unless that is it was a conduit for the transistion between the Eve and dust enviroments then it perhaps could serve a purpose at the moment its just pointless eyecandy, and I can understand why so many think the 'expansion' is rather vapid, as for eve players its not what were about I think for the majority.

Eve has limitless potential for growth sadly CCP doesn't seem to have the imagination or passion it had in the early days and like the game in many ways has lost its way as its gotten bigger.

I'd rethink about dust it has great potential IF it can seemlessly integrate the 2 enviroments in a fashion it enhances both but you siumply can't do that on different platforms unless that is there's going to be a PC version of Dust or a Console version of Eve.

Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:00:00 - [9]

Well I've argued (generally with other characters on accounts that are no longer active) that PI should play a very significant role in determining the SOV of systems. Whether it is direct SOV control (such as a structure that consumes some fuel and SOV is determined by which alliance has the most of these structures on the planets), or an indirect effect upon SOV control (maybe a system where Timers are affected by some PI structure).

What changes WILL happen? Probably just making mining on planets "moar important" through expanded use of Planetary minerals - or some equally ******ed use of Planets.

Posted - 2011.07.13 18:23:00 - [10]

If players don't hire Dusties, then the missions/contracts will be automatically generated for Dusties.

For all we know, those generated missions could be randomly aimed at existing Eve PI setups. Meaning, PI setups can be hit by Dusties without Eve players setting up Dust contracts.

Jumpman 23
Posted - 2011.07.13 18:30:00 - [11]

I think it'll expand beyond Planets and will be required in Sov Warfare. At some point in the Battle for a system you'll need to board Pos's, and Stations via Dust when invading a system.

If they don't it'll just be a Battlefield 2142 clone that gets its Map locations from Eve

Steve Thomas
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.13 18:46:00 - [12]

Edited by: Steve Thomas on 13/07/2011 18:48:58
theres so mutch confusion about the information that they have put out on EVE its almost hilarious

From the dust page
Players are able to purchase different gear to equip before deploying into battle, using InterStellar Kredits (ISK), the in-game earned currency of the EVE universe, or through real money currency, called Aurum (AUR). This provides players with flexibility and adaptability in how they approach a combat scenario. Certain items are only available through ISK transactions, while others are only available through AUR. These are then traded freely on a player-driven secondary marketplace.

from Halldor Fannar at E3 when asked if the credits recevied from paying the "covercharge" would be ISK or Aurum aparetly said it would be (a?) new credits. er what?

From the Dust Websight:
You are running low on blueprints for your preferred fit, advanced variant infantry assault armor, loaded with damage modifiers, a vehicle drop link and a Prototype Light Assault Rifle. Usually your corporation stocks basic stuff in the shared hangars, but this stuff isnt basic. You worked hard getting there, training the right skills and acquiring all the right blueprints. You decide to replenish your fit from the marketplace. Just one more thing and youll be ready: your vehicle. You own blueprints of a standard Caldari HAV (its rubbish, but its yours) and your pride and joy, an Ishukone Black Ops variant Dropship fitted as a cloaked tackler with a faction Cloak module, two small missile launchers and a shield tank.
Confused so dust players also have to be there own producers? no wait on your own same websight you have the following. . .

ISK earned in battle can be spent on the primary market to stock up on the latest items weapons, turrets, equipment, armor, and modules or search for bargains on the secondary player-driven market. Customize existing gear or purchase advanced and prototype weaponry and equipment for that extra edge on the battlefield.

so. . . now the player driven market is not the primary market for items but aparently we will be the source for bargain basment junk items???

and since when does anyone in EvE run low on BLUEPRINTS???

Hello did the people who design your websight actualy ever play EVE or did they just read articals posted by the media ?

Posted - 2011.07.13 19:10:00 - [13]

Should be able to fight on moons as well. Fight over moon goo you might get some people upset.

Open Designs
Posted - 2011.07.13 19:40:00 - [14]

Originally by: Steve Thomas

and since when does anyone in EvE run low on BLUEPRINTS???

when they're BPC's?

Sounds like the items were faction/named rather than the "basic" stuff that you'd have a BPO of.

Myfanwy Heimdal
Posted - 2011.07.13 19:49:00 - [15]

I would be interested in seeing Dust on a lava planet or a gas giant.


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