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Logahmmed Chance
Posted - 2011.07.12 05:41:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Logahmmed Chance on 12/07/2011 05:44:19
I'm done. I tried. I really did.

I don't mind getting obliterated. I really don't. I'll fleet up, try to do my part, get taken out. No biggie. I know I'm young in the game, I expect the big boys to decimate me.

I don't mind waiting. For big ship battles, a lot of fitting and prep is required before you make that jump. You've got to train your character to get a decent ship for PvP. I get that. I'm okay with it - to a point.

But the culture of the game has such an overwhelming disdain for new players that I just can't stick around. In Rookie Help, I've watched people just asking basic questions get ignored for conversations that have no business in Rookie Help. Then when they get frustrated, they're ridiculed for daring suggest that the channel be used for - you guessed it - newbie questions.

I try joining a new-pilot friendly corps. I ask how often they PvP. They say "every weekend." I'm around for a weekend, ask about going out and getting some fighting done, and they say, "no, you need to train more." I ask what to train, so that I can at least pick a specification and be helpful enough to be brought along. They say "everything."

Finally, I give up and try faction warfare. Every fleet I jump into - they let me in, and I'm kicked out ten minutes later. No explanation. The last straw was when I was allowed into a fleet, asked what we were doing, they said, "just grouping up and going to PvP" - who then proceeded to pod me after thirty minutes of travel to them. Was the whole thing suspicious? Absolutely. But at this point, tonight, I was desperate to just actually play. And I did, by getting betrayed by the fleet that allowed me to join, who then played dumb and accused me of being a "spy."

This game, for me, has been little more than a series of barriers preventing me from playing the game. If I was able to get into a PvP battle once, just once, even if I got absolutely obliterated early in the running, maybe I could stick it out, but I just can't. There's zero respect for new players who don't want to mine all the time, and any time these issues are brought up, it's responded to with "you need to train more, then it gets fun."

The answer is, apparently, to just pay $20 for a few months and do nothing while you want the game count.

Call it whining, call it what you want. But it's obvious newbies at this point are regarded as little more than either people to exploit or ignore. Calls for help get ignored, and the best advice I'm given is to take classes for a month. I'm all for learning, but "classes?" Seriously?

Could've sworn I bought a game. I'm not renewing my subscription, unless someone, for the love of God, shows me that it's possible a low-level newbie who can fly battlecruisers can be allowed to play. It just seems like I'm a first grader, and the sixth graders aren't letting anyone onto the kickball field. Wasn't fun then, not fun now.

Rao Kappa
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.12 05:49:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Rao Kappa on 12/07/2011 05:51:47
For good or ill, EvE is MMO Darwinism at its best. Not saying I approve, but EvE, as a game, is notoriously hard on its new playerbase. It really is a matter of survival of the fittest, and while some enjoy that aspect of the game, others do not.

Good luck in finding a game that you do enjoy. I've quit EvE before for similar reasons, but I always find myself coming back for the simple reason that no game can provide such a harsh, yet rewarding sandbox like this one can.

Fly safe.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.12 06:13:00 - [3]
 

So many things wrong with the OP.

Big boys cannot decimate you, unless you let them.
Your "PvP" corp were newbs who have no clue, if they cannot appreciate a willing recruit and find a role for him. Find a better corp.

In FW everyone is a spy. More likely than not you were killed by spies.

Also, everyone I know had fun from day one. You have to find your own fun, it is not given to you on a silver platter here.
Perhaps that is the problem though, you prefer to be spoon fed.

Now I realise I most likely took a bite on a troll thread, but I do not care. No newbie should be reading the OP's lies and giving up before trying the game out.

Logahmmed Chance
Posted - 2011.07.12 06:18:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Logahmmed Chance on 12/07/2011 06:21:49
Lies, that's a good one.

I expected "exaggerating," "whining," etc. But lies? That one I didn't see coming.

I love how when people have an issue, beg for help, they get accused of, well, anything. Pretty much making my point.

At least now I know I wasn't missing something. This really is Eve. Thanks.

"Find a better corp" - tried that. Also time barrier with 24 hour stasis.

"Also, everyone I know had fun from day one." Thanks for your anecdotal evidence. Because that means I'm wrong!

Tried to be reasonable, asked for help everywhere, finally genuinely frustrated enough to ask where this game can actually be played for a newbie, and now I'm a troll. That's just wonderful.

K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.12 06:31:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: K''iran on 12/07/2011 06:33:50
There's a lot of idiots in this game, idiots who (deep down) want to show they're not idiots by taking it out on newbies. Mind you; I'm quite ok with people taking it out on eachother in EVE, I do that on a daily basis, but nonsense like being a moron in help channel and such are just a nono.

I'm in help channel a lot and I can state from experience that the problem arises in the US timezone mostly and in the late US TZ it gets even worse. Lots of angsty people feeling the need to over shout their insecurities with trolling, memes and nonsense. You have to get lucky a bit I guess, also join the regular help channel (F12 - join channel), not saying it's better but rookie channel is full of untraceable throw away alts meaning the fckwad theory goes into full effect.


On to other stuff;

- FW is full of alts, spies, more spies and more alts. Because of that every newbie is suspect so if you're a new character (like you), having joined a corp very soon after creation (like you) and having left that quickly (like you) they are going to suspect that person (you) to be a spy or at least an alt they can't trust. In EVE it pays to to be cautious, they're just not willing to risk anything with a 2 week character that's already corp hopped. It takes time to build trust.

If you end up in a corp where they focus on mining (as you stated) then you're obviously in the wrong corp. Many corps proudly boast they do PVP, for 2 reasons.

- they hope it scares away wardecs
- they hope to attract pvpers so they don't have to and can keep to mining like the cattle they are

I checked the first corp you were in (assuming that's the one you're talking about); the corp as a whole has nothing on battleclinic, the current CEO is clean as well and the founder has mostly embarrassing losses. So that's a good indication they're talking out of their backside when it comes to PVP. You can check that here, so if you look for a new pvp focussed (or at least capable) corp check them out before joining, making an informed decision.

You've been running into idiots, which statistically is going to happen as there's many of them, finding a good corp takes luck, possibly a lot of time but also you being realistic, non-stupid and capable of human interaction. There's many factors. Just stick at it, learn from the mishaps and try to get better all the time. If you're capable of being better than the average moron you'll do fine and come out on top, regardless of SP.

LLoyd Thomson
Posted - 2011.07.12 06:48:00 - [6]
 

Mostly everybody, who is news to EVE, has the marketing slogans in his backbrain about fleet fights, PVP 24/7 and shooting at internet spaceships.

But there is more to do in EVE than that and PVP might not even be entertaining for you after all. Google for the career guide and you might find a better job within the sandbox.

Flakey Foont
Posted - 2011.07.12 07:01:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Flakey Foont on 12/07/2011 07:05:13
The game is not for everybody. Like life, it is full of tools.Maybe do some missioning, get the feel for the physics and mechanics of the ships. You will learn a lot from osmosis.

Many say join a corp right off, but as you have seen, a lot of newb "pvp" corps are trolls. Play awhile, look, listen and you will get it...

Patience is key for success in Eve, but maybe it's not for you. Just a game.

Found this: Might clear things up http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/eve-wtd.jpg

Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Minmatar
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
Posted - 2011.07.12 07:03:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: K'iran
I checked the first corp you were in (assuming that's the one you're talking about); the corp as a whole has nothing on battleclinic, the current CEO is clean as well and the founder has mostly embarrassing losses. So that's a good indication they're talking out of their backside when it comes to PVP. You can check that here, so if you look for a new pvp focussed (or at least capable) corp check them out before joining, making an informed decision.


You do realize that not all kills go on BattleClinic and not every corp feels the need to boast on a killboard.

foksieloy
Minmatar
Rockets ponies and rainbows
Posted - 2011.07.12 07:03:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: foksieloy on 12/07/2011 07:04:02
Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
Tried to be reasonable, asked for help everywhere, finally genuinely frustrated enough to ask where this game can actually be played for a newbie, and now I'm a troll. That's just wonderful.


You didn't come here to get help. You came here to say that you are leaving, in a melodramatic tone.
And you still received help. Take a look at posts in this topic that are not mine (especially the one by K'iran). They offer you good tips and quality advice. But you first need to want that help for it to work.

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
I expected "exaggerating," "whining," etc. But lies? That one I didn't see coming.

I tend to use non politically correct words. They drive the point home better.

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
I love how when people have an issue, beg for help, they get accused of, well, anything. Pretty much making my point.

Please take a look at some other topics around here and you will see people who ask for help receive it. Your original post does not look like asking for help. It looks like you are trying to warn others to not come into this game.

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
At least now I know I wasn't missing something. This really is Eve. Thanks.

I have been here for several years, and I still do not know what EvE really is. The short amount of time you are here was not enough to figure it out, trust me. :)

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
"Find a better corp" - tried that. Also time barrier with 24 hour stasis.

Try harder. If you need specific help, feel free to EvEmail me with the name of the corp you are interested in, and I can tell you why you should/shouldn't join it. And help you learn how to make those decisions yourself.
Finding a good corp is crucial to your EvE experience. Otherwise there is no MM in MMO.

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
"Also, everyone I know had fun from day one." Thanks for your anecdotal evidence. Because that means I'm wrong!

No, it means this game really might not be your cup of tea. It is definitely a reasonable premise. It is up to you to find out.

Good luck in your search for fun.

K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.12 07:23:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
Originally by: K'iran
I checked the first corp you were in (assuming that's the one you're talking about); the corp as a whole has nothing on battleclinic, the current CEO is clean as well and the founder has mostly embarrassing losses. So that's a good indication they're talking out of their backside when it comes to PVP. You can check that here, so if you look for a new pvp focussed (or at least capable) corp check them out before joining, making an informed decision.


You do realize that not all kills go on BattleClinic and not every corp feels the need to boast on a killboard.


I do yes, but the chances of a pvp corps not using a killboard and/or their targets not having one isn't that huge. Might not have all kills/losses but at least some would get through. Also, they're not on EVE-kill either.

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.12 08:21:00 - [11]
 

You can always join Eve University, a corp dedicated to teaching beginners all aspects of this game.

They regularly do PvP-fleets, which are (naturally) mostly composed of low-level players, you can even (and are actually encouraged to) build and lead your own fleet. Knowing the mechanics helps of course but is not really a requirement.

gfldex
Posted - 2011.07.12 10:50:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: foksieloy
I have been here for several years, and I still do not know what EvE really is. The short amount of time you are here was not enough to figure it out, trust me. :)


It's Ludo on a very large scale. As the OP shows quite clearly by being kicked back to start a few times in a row.

C4LYP50
Solarwind Interstellar Mining and Production Ltd
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:44:00 - [13]
 

Every Man Counts.

From the newest 3 day old pilot in his first Rifter, to the Capital Ship driver, every single person has a purpose. You seem to be still finding yours. In Eve, much like life, trial-and-error is the best tool you have with which to learn.

Decide early, what you wish to do. The options in front of you, as a new character, are almost infinite. If you want to PVP, decide where you want to do it, Hisec PVP differs immensely from losec, and nullsec PVP.

And understand THIS: You are learning some of the harshest lessons here in Eve, while you are young, and the monetary costs are comparatively cheap. Believe it or not, this is a good thing.

It seems to me, there are so many things I want to say to you, that I could fill several posts. Don't let the game be taken away from you. Adversity in this game, especially for new players, is the one process we rely on to weed out people who do not have the mettle to play. For those that survive, no better game exists. For those who do not, Eve is not for everyone.

Good people, good corps DO exist. Keep searching. Send a convo if you need. Be spirited, fly safe. And don't let the bastards get you down.


ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:52:00 - [14]
 

"Two things," I say, while holding up three fingers.

Getting help from the battle-scarred is iffy. Many realize that the quality of the average new Eve Play sux. They feel that they have donated enough time in the effort to help, only to have the majority of new corp members refuse to listen, or refuse to learn, or spend all their time whining.

I'm far from a veteran but have already adopted this policy.

If you want to get something in this game, you'd better be ready to give something first, even if it is just a little respect.

Second, on embarrassing losses, What exactly does that mean? How much can you tell about a ship loss situation from a killboard entry? How many people actually take the time to read the killboard entries rather than just count them?

My most skilled combat pilot is Beki 250. She has 42 losses the last time I looked, against 4 kills. Pretty embarrassing right?

I don't think so. First, her efficiency is near 1:1, Most important, though, is that she was the character I used to learn to get around in 0.0, mainly by hauling mining supplies to various places along routes that are heavily camped.

If you look, most of her losses follow a pattern. Unarmed ship in 0.0. I'm sure some bright spark will suggest that I never should have tried to learn to get around in 0.0, and another will say that I shouldn't have been flying around in an industrial in 0.0, or at least not without an escort. My advice is try to be realistic. If you need mining supplies in 0.0 that won't fit in a BS, and you can't get an escort from your friendly and helpful corp/alliance, reality takes over.

Once again. conventional wisdom is for conventional people. If you base your opinion of a player on killboard entries without taking the time to read them, you may get a surprise every now and then.

BTW, Beki is a miner.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.07.12 12:05:00 - [15]
 

ugh @ACY GTMI, the killboard stats is simply a useful tool you can use to see how serious people are. Not all pvp corps have kb's i suppose, but get real. Battleclinic is a great place to find at least some information, and if you have even been remotely active most kills find their way to BC.

To the OP, hard to tell what would change your mind. Sounds like you went to quite a few crap corps (no suprise at your age, ask around, many of us were in the same shoes).

The statement you make is fairly concerning "If I was able to get into a PvP battle once, just once, even if I got absolutely obliterated early in the running, maybe I could stick it out, but I just can't. There's zero respect for new players who don't want to mine all the time, and any time these issues are brought up, it's responded to with "you need to train more, then it gets fun." "

So you CAN'T get into a pvp battle? really? how hard have you tried. Go get some solo pew pew in a frig. Meet me in low sec and you can have have as much as you would like. What is really concerning is the next line, zero respect for new players who DON'T want to mine. REally!?! wtf! who have you been talking to. Miners are probably the most teased group in eve (and definitely the most targeted when it comes to random violence).

The only thing it seems that you might be leaving out is your attitude with others in the game. Maybe its just that your peeved, but most people i know either help out newer players or ignore them, but are never just rude to be a prick.

IDK, maybe this game isn't for you, but it is quite awesome if you can find the right fit (available time+good environment+specialty you enjoy)

Efraya
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.12 12:20:00 - [16]
 

Hello Logahmmed Chance,

From where I'm sitting, I see myself. This game is HARD. I had a rotten time of it at the beginning. Couldn't make head nor tails of what I was doing and what was going on. Too many mods, too many different names. It was all too much and I quit. 3 months later I had the hankering to try again. I was lucky and I found a corp to look after me and explain patiently wtf was going on.

Be patient, keep talking to people.

You will find your niche. If you are looking for guidance or someone to ask questions of, don't hesitate to eve-mail me.

Best of luck,

Fly Safe.


gfldex
Posted - 2011.07.12 12:54:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
I'm all for learning, but "classes?" Seriously?


A class is a way to make sure, that if you have to repeat yourself over and over again, at least 10 ppl are listening.

When I joined the game there was no way to tell if a player has left his trial time and payed to stay. As a result no sane corp was accepting players younger then two weeks. They refused because they wanted to invest ISK and more importantly time into new players. You joined your first corp at your 3rd day into the game.

There seam to be plenty of players that acted in a rather unfriendly manner against you. They do so because they got burned and learned something. You got burned too.

Zey Nadar
Gallente
Unknown Soldiers
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:31:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Zey Nadar on 12/07/2011 13:34:30
Edited by: Zey Nadar on 12/07/2011 13:31:38
Hello, I feel like commenting since I remember my early days in Eve. It took me 6 months of aimlessness and boring soloplay before I got myself into a nice little highsec corp, and from there I was only going up.

The problem with Eve is that in pretty much everything you need to do, you need to have your character skills up to the par. The early career in Eve is going to be terribly hampered by not having learned the skills to fly ships and skills for doing this and that. At least month will go by before you can do ONE thing well. Even when you get to fly something like a frigate well, the long-time pvpers will still be much better than you characterwise, and Eve is old enough game in that there are a lot of old-timers. Its one weakness with the Eve's skill learning system, the fact that you cant accelerate improving your character by hard work. Even though learning skills on beginning characters is much faster now than it used to be in the past, its still very hard for a beginner.

PvP is mainly about fleets nowadays, so getting into a good corp/alliance is imperative. Judging from your experiences Id say that you didnt find a good corp yet. I can guarantee that not all eve players are twits. I agree that eve has a lot of barriers for a new player to overcome, the important thing is that you shouldnt overcome them alone. Finding a good corp is however difficult. I wish I had some good advice on this aspect but I dont have any. Its pretty much trial and error, but keep in mind that you dont ever commit 100% your eve resources and wallet to what youre doing, keep something in reserve you can come back or if youre being swindled.

Btw about noobhelp channel, the problem is that you cant be there unless youre a young character. Try asking questions on the regular help channel too. The regular one has people playing oldtimer characters.

I second others in that joining eve university while continually learning more skills on your character might be a good idea.

edit: It appears that a fair bit of my post got deleted by posting accident. Oh well.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:01:00 - [19]
 

Point #1: Veteran players can not join the 'rookie' channel. If you want to get advice from experienced players, then join the 'help' channel, or ask (politely!) on the forums (after doing some initial research). You would be amazed at how willing we are to help a new player out.

Point #2: In fleet warfare, you chance of success is entirely dependent upon 4 factors:
1) Fleet size (how big your blob is)
2) Fleet Commander competence (If your FC is incompetent, then anyone you can kill will run away from you, and you will fail to retreat from anyone who can kill you)
3) Fleet Composition (Did you bring the right ships to the fleet?)
4) Fleet Competence (Can people follow orders and maintain battle comms?)

Point #3: If you join a corp and they tell you you can't PvP because you don't have enough skills - drop them like a bad habit. ANYONE can PvP so long as they can fit warp scrambler/disruptor onto a frigate. Yes, you will fail miserably in a 1v1 situation against someone who is more skilled than you. But this is EVE we are talking about here. This isn't about fair 1v1 fights. This is about traps and ambushes. You are always trying to eat the fish smaller than you in the fish tank, all while evading the fish bigger than you.

Conclusion: If the sixth graders won't let you play on their kickball field, then you probably shouldn't be trying to play with them anyways. Everything in EVE is all about finding the right group of people to play with (or finding something you enjoy doing on your own).

Point #4:

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:30:00 - [20]
 

OP:

If you can't find fun in a game when you can do near anything you like, you're doing it wrong, son.

You don't need mummy to hold your hand.

Eliza Capri
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:47:00 - [21]
 

Eve Online is the game where you won't get anywhere unless you figure it out for yourself. Help from others is always welcome, but you'll need to help yourself first. Just like in real life. Not everyone is always eager to help you and some people will make it their business to ruin your fun/job/relationship/etc...

Unless you do some self learning and learn to rely on only yourself, you won't get anywhere in this game.

Enik3
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:51:00 - [22]
 

You make some valid points, but it's something that pretty much everyone has dealt with. So instead of moaning about what EVE and its players aren't doing for you, why don't you figure out how to do something for yourself.

For example--and probably the most obvious thing--check the recruitment forums. Right now within the first few pages I see the following posts:

Looking to learn nullsec survival and PVP? Then join OUCH!

***RvB---The most Active PvP corp in EVE.***

-->>WANT TO LEARN PVP?? Making Killers Out Of Carebears <<--

Hook up with one of those or the hundreds of others that are OK with noobs. It's really not that hard. But I will tell you that if you don't have thick skin, and you can't self-motivate, you're never going to enjoy this game.

Olvel
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:09:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
Tried to be reasonable, asked for help everywhere, finally genuinely frustrated enough to ask where this game can actually be played for a newbie, and now I'm a troll. That's just wonderful.

Try not to take it personally. Look around these forums. They're absolutely infested with trolls. It's annoying... But the safest bet when a new post shows up is to assume it's a troll of some kind. Especially if it's from a relatively new character.
Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
This game, for me, has been little more than a series of barriers preventing me from playing the game.

You're doing it wrong.

Seems kind of silly to say that in a sandbox game... But it's the truth.

You're complaining that it takes too long to build the sandcastle, and you just want to play with your dragons and knights on a castle... Completely missing the fact that in a sandbox, building the castle is part of the game.

Jesarey
Posted - 2011.07.12 15:42:00 - [24]
 

If you want a quick pvp, open the starmap and check kills statistics for the last hour. If there is lots of killing going in a certain system, chances are that if you go there, you will find all the pvp that you want. Or you can just fly around lowsec, plenty of trigger-happy people there, especially during US evening time. A Rifter fit for pvp doesnt take a lot of time to train for, and is cheap, so you wont have to worry about losses too much.

There is one very important fact that many newbies miss,
and it is the fact that PVP = expenses. Before you think about fighting, you must think about funds for the ship you want to fight in. You must have plenty of ISK to replenish your losses. And you WILL LOSE ships. Everybody does. So many PVP corps will not want to take a newbie because they cant rely on a pilot who might end up shipless. And the corps that have ship replacement programs dont want to spend their isk buying lots of new ships for inexperienced pilots.

So my advice for you is to focus on isk-making for now, while you train up for your pew-pew carreer. Or find a PVP corp which has both ship replacement and newbie training.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:50:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
Edited by: Logahmmed Chance on 12/07/2011 05:44:19
I'm done. I tried. I really did.

I don't mind getting obliterated. I really don't. I'll fleet up, try to do my part, get taken out. No biggie. I know I'm young in the game, I expect the big boys to decimate me.

I don't mind waiting. For big ship battles, a lot of fitting and prep is required before you make that jump. You've got to train your character to get a decent ship for PvP. I get that. I'm okay with it - to a point.

But the culture of the game has such an overwhelming disdain for new players that I just can't stick around. In Rookie Help, I've watched people just asking basic questions get ignored for conversations that have no business in Rookie Help. Then when they get frustrated, they're ridiculed for daring suggest that the channel be used for - you guessed it - newbie questions.

I try joining a new-pilot friendly corps. I ask how often they PvP. They say "every weekend." I'm around for a weekend, ask about going out and getting some fighting done, and they say, "no, you need to train more." I ask what to train, so that I can at least pick a specification and be helpful enough to be brought along. They say "everything."

Finally, I give up and try faction warfare. Every fleet I jump into - they let me in, and I'm kicked out ten minutes later. No explanation. The last straw was when I was allowed into a fleet, asked what we were doing, they said, "just grouping up and going to PvP" - who then proceeded to pod me after thirty minutes of travel to them. Was the whole thing suspicious? Absolutely. But at this point, tonight, I was desperate to just actually play. And I did, by getting betrayed by the fleet that allowed me to join, who then played dumb and accused me of being a "spy."

This game, for me, has been little more than a series of barriers preventing me from playing the game. If I was able to get into a PvP battle once, just once, even if I got absolutely obliterated early in the running, maybe I could stick it out, but I just can't. There's zero respect for new players who don't want to mine all the time, and any time these issues are brought up, it's responded to with "you need to train more, then it gets fun."

The answer is, apparently, to just pay $20 for a few months and do nothing while you want the game count.

Call it whining, call it what you want. But it's obvious newbies at this point are regarded as little more than either people to exploit or ignore. Calls for help get ignored, and the best advice I'm given is to take classes for a month. I'm all for learning, but "classes?" Seriously?

Could've sworn I bought a game. I'm not renewing my subscription, unless someone, for the love of God, shows me that it's possible a low-level newbie who can fly battlecruisers can be allowed to play. It just seems like I'm a first grader, and the sixth graders aren't letting anyone onto the kickball field. Wasn't fun then, not fun now.


Come out to Providence and do some PvP with us, long as you're not on the KOS list, you don't even have to join the corporation or alliance.

Bring a shuttle, I got some Rifters you can fly, long as you have Minnie Frigate III, and can fit a T1 scrambler, webber, and afterburner, you can come PvP with us.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.12 16:52:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Logahmmed Chance
In Rookie Help, I've watched people just asking basic questions get ignored for conversations that have no business in Rookie Help. Then when they get frustrated, they're ridiculed for daring suggest that the channel be used for - you guessed it - newbie questions.

You do realize that the only people that can read the rookie channel are rookies? It isn't the right place to ask for help.

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I try joining a new-pilot friendly corps. I ask how often they PvP. They say "every weekend." I'm around for a weekend, ask about going out and getting some fighting done, and they say, "no, you need to train more." I ask what to train, so that I can at least pick a specification and be helpful enough to be brought along. They say "everything."

I have friends joining the training corp of major alliance, and they can't pilot anymore more than a stealth bomber in one case, or a interdictor in the other.

Sounds like you need to shop around more.

You might try Red Federation or Blue Republic (a.k.a. Red vs. Blue, or RvB) if all you want is a constant war that is open to everybody regardless of skill points.

Albert Doyle
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2011.07.12 19:22:00 - [27]
 

As a fellow newbie, I can only state that you're doing it wrong.

This isn't a game you can load up, run tutorial, have a 10 minute convo about, and be ready to go. It's a game with massive amounts of nuance, strategy, and yes, embedded veteran interests. The best I can do to help is to suggest you read more about the game and what you might enjoy. If you're too fed up to even get that far, well, it's safe to say EVE isn't for you. I've spent probably four times the hours reading up on what i'm doing in-game compared to actually executing my plans. It doesn't always work like this, but getting started involves a steep learning curve. If you aren't willing to learn, there's nothing to be said.

And no, help channels are not the best place to get advice. In-fact I never bothered with the rookie help channel since the answers there are far too brief to be useful. Full-on guides, forum searches, FAQ's, and wiki's do a much better job of getting you the information you need.

Fihrir
Posted - 2011.07.12 19:22:00 - [28]
 

RvB is really good for those that like to PVP without the drama. I have a friend in it and he loves it. they have alot of rules in place that help players gain their footing.

One thing that some people have said and i THOROUGHLY recommend is to find friends on EVE. I joined with a friend and he led me to other friends. Without that companionship, EVE isnt really EVE. The talking and hanging out makes even Ice Mining tolerable (and thats saying something).

In general, don't quit because of the stupidity of others. Make them pay for that stupidity and hunt them down and kill them. It is the EVE way.

JohnSco
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:25:00 - [29]
 

Email me, in game, and maybe I can help you.

I was new and lost like you are. Maybe we can help you appreciate the game if you're willing to be patient and take the time to learn.

I'll be online any time after about 2330 PST (Pacific Standard Time, USA TZ)

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:49:00 - [30]
 

I will have been palying for two years on the 18th. 60% of my training time has been spent on industrial pursuits, but I have been building combat skills as well.

I figure I will have enough skills to try them out in about a year.

If you are low on patience, I'm not sure this game is a good fit for you.


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