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Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.11 20:57:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Nerodon
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Nerodon
I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.

You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.

This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.


If you never role played a pirate psychopath who just enjoys blowing up stuff (tm) for the sheer pleasure of it, you cannot understand how players like me feel: you are denying my RP purpose in game, which IS to make YOU feel miserable and low sec a dark, dangerous place to live in or travel through.

Of course, I could still have a brilliant career as a Jita scammer, selling a$$rings for monocles.


You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!

I would also think it would be cool to have them destructible (Like PLEX are) but at this point I side with keeping them indestructible simply because they aren't related to flying in space at all! It isnt a ship, or a bonus giving item... Its an avatar customization, if CCP would let your $$$ investments in your avatar go boom it would just be a giant hassle and very frustrating, rendering the feature quite useless.

Think about it, if everyone had these on, they would be less willing to fight you and more willing to station hog! How would that improve the game?



They could care less, the same reason ransoms died three years ago, too many people decided that honoring ransoms was not as lucrative as taking them and then destroying the victim anyways for additional loot.

The fact that they were even shocked when people started bailing on low sec in droves and targets became increasingly scarce and ransoms stopped being paid, is just incredibly ironic.

I mean, what did they think would happen?

Infinimo
GSF Finance Department
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:03:00 - [32]
 

lmao

Beat General
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:05:00 - [33]
 

Eve sucks now. Accept the truth.

Rashmika Sky
Amarr
R. Sky Escorts
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:09:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Seven Sphynx

Thinking there is an exact copy of all your personal "vanity" items waiting for you in every single of the several thousands space stations in EVE is a stretch even for those that like to pull arguments out of their ar$e.


At the price of these items, there had damned well better be an exact copy of each and every one of them at every station in Eve - it's the only sensible reason for clothing to cost so much.

So thank you for that angle, I find the absurd prices slightly less ridiculous when I look at it this way - we aren't just buying one pair of $1000 pants, we're buying over 10,000 $1000 pants, that will also be replaced should they be blown up, soiled, have the knees torn out or be ripped apart in the throes of cyber-passion. It might even be a good deal if you think of it that way.

If only I were better at lying to myself.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:09:00 - [35]
 

When you get podded, you should definitely keep your regular clothes and appearance; that just makes practical sense.

As for those $1,000 pants you bought in a NeX boutique shop, no way CCP is ever going to make those destructible: people would rage, not ever buy new clothes, and/or leave the game (not necessarily in that particular order). So, might as well live with this reality and stop struggling the inevitable.

Hello, Kitty! :)

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:10:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Nerodon
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Nerodon
I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.

You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.

This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.


If you never role played a pirate psychopath who just enjoys blowing up stuff (tm) for the sheer pleasure of it, you cannot understand how players like me feel: you are denying my RP purpose in game, which IS to make YOU feel miserable and low sec a dark, dangerous place to live in or travel through.

Of course, I could still have a brilliant career as a Jita scammer, selling a$$rings for monocles.


You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!

No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.

The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.

Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.

Zeg Quul
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:10:00 - [37]
 

M-e-o-w


Seven Sphynx
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:11:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Nuhm DeAra
Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 11/07/2011 20:46:12
Attention mentally handicapped whiners and general forum goers!

YOU ARE NAKED INSIDE OF YOUR POD.

This is the 87 billionth thread on this subject. You are, in fact, beating a dead-horse that shouldn't even exist.

Read some lore, educate yourself. Yes, it is a valid argument. Now shut up.


It appears, madam, that while you are naked in the pod, the vanity items are "secretly" transported together with your pod to whatever place and station you travel to. So they you might not be wearing them on your body, but they certainly "travel" with the pod. Else we have to believe there is a copy of those items stored in advance for you in every station in EVE, including enemy outposts Laughing

As for the monocle and other ocular implants, I hope you do not want me to believe that you are going through surgery every time you undock/dock, and that the ocular implant is removed while you are in the pod, and quickly re-implanted as soon as you dock. Because that is exact the sort of pulled out of the ar$e argument I was referring to earlier.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:14:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 11/07/2011 21:15:25
Originally by: Ranka Mei

As for those $1,000 pants you bought in a NeX boutique shop, no way CCP is ever going to make those destructible: people would rage, not ever buy new clothes, and/or leave the game (not necessarily in that particular order). So, might as well live with this reality and stop struggling the inevitable.
That's where you're mistaken.

1. This is not just CCP's game. This is our game as well. We erected the stations, built the ships, we paid for it, we filled it with life.

2. People raging over stuff that got blown up is exactly what EVE was about in the past. Ever heard of "Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose." Same goes for wearing pants you're not ok to **** in when the going gets tough. And yes, clothes are not being worn in Space but Monocles are. There's no way these things are going to be surgically removed before entering a pod therefore they should be destroyed when people get podded.

Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:15:00 - [40]
 

A monocle that is more expensive than a fitted machariel is made of superior jovian technology that not only is immune to conventional weapons but actually self warps to your new face when you get cloned.

Or it could be that the lore and rhyme and reason of this game went to the ****ter in order to sell you stuff.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:15:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Seven Sphynx
It is the same old story: if an argument is presented in a valid form supported by logic and facts, the best attempt to demolish it is to ditch it as a "whine" and the player as a "bittervet".
Your OP is not logical nor supported with facts. What it is is a miserable bitter rant because you can't ruin people's wallets in real life.


Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:17:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Ranka Mei

As for those $1,000 pants you bought in a NeX boutique shop, no way CCP is ever going to make those destructible: people would rage, not ever buy new clothes, and/or leave the game (not necessarily in that particular order). So, might as well live with this reality and stop struggling the inevitable.
That's where you're mistaken.

1. This is not just CCP's game. This is our game as well. We made it, we paid for it, we filled it with life.

2. People raging over stuff that got blown up is exactly what EVE was about in the past. Ever heard of "Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose." Same goes for wearing pants you're not ok to **** in when the going gets tough. And yes, clothes are not being worn in Space but Monocles are. There's no way these things are going to be surgically removed before entering a pod therefore they should be destroyed when people get podded.

I'm not saying I disagree with you: I'm saying it ain't gonna happen, ever. :)

Atreus Venom
Gallente
New Eden Hitmen
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:18:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Atreus Venom on 11/07/2011 21:19:33
ummm your free clothes are indestructable?... HA HA... umm no.. i doubt your clone is running around naked.. when you buy a clone they dress him in the clothes you last had on... SO ILL SAY IT AGAIN.. the op is right

Lilliana Stelles
Caldari
Nagrom Security Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:18:00 - [44]
 

There have and always will be some indestructible things in EvE:

Some current examples:
Stations/monuments
Your respawning rookie ship
Planetary command Centers
The clothes you don't pay AUR for but are gifted at character creation
The Door
Your Wallet (Isk/AuR)
LP
RP
etc

Majuan Shuo
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:18:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Majuan Shuo on 11/07/2011 21:20:20
Originally by: Nuhm DeAra
Edited by: Nuhm DeAra on 11/07/2011 20:46:12
Attention mentally handicapped whiners and general forum goers!

YOU ARE NAKED INSIDE OF YOUR POD.

This is the 87 billionth thread on this subject. You are, in fact, beating a dead-horse that shouldn't even exist.

Read some lore, educate yourself. Yes, it is a valid argument. Now shut up.


Sup *****, I commented on your other post when I pointed out why you are wrong.

Short version: they have to be on your ship because when you redock to a new station in a new region - you still have your monocle.

So it may not be you in your pod - its still in some spaceship bound captains dresser. Which should blow up along with the ship.

Talk about "educating" yourself...Sheesh this is stuff an 8 year old could figure out on his own.

Nerodon
Gallente
Incapsulated Reality
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:19:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Nerodon
Originally by: Seven Sphynx
Originally by: Nerodon
I don't think this is about an immersion issue or a gameplay issue for that matter.

You have an avatar, you can have him look the way you like, awesome, now, some are willing to pay to look different, why does everyone want to utterly strip that away from them by killing them.

This sounds a lot like bitter resentment, you want to put dirt in the face of people who accepted the features you hated and out of spite, deny them what they paid for.


If you never role played a pirate psychopath who just enjoys blowing up stuff (tm) for the sheer pleasure of it, you cannot understand how players like me feel: you are denying my RP purpose in game, which IS to make YOU feel miserable and low sec a dark, dangerous place to live in or travel through.

Of course, I could still have a brilliant career as a Jita scammer, selling a$$rings for monocles.


You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!

No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.

The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.

Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.


But Eve IS dark, harsh and brutal.
Letting people wear barbie clothing in a station is their business. If you're one of those same people who think Incarna is not Eve because it isn't space related, then you should agree that what happens in Incarna stays in Incarna.

If you don't want NeX items to affect your space game, then don't expect the space game to affect NeX items. Double standards bro! If you can destroy my NeX items then I should be able to pay for an NeX item that blows your ship up! After all, Eve is dark, harsh and brutal!

Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:21:00 - [47]
 

I for one eagerly await the 100 USD Ishy scorpions that can't have hostile modules activated on them by players Twisted Evil

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:21:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Nerodon
But Eve IS dark, harsh and brutal.
Letting people wear barbie clothing in a station is their business. If you're one of those same people who think Incarna is not Eve because it isn't space related, then you should agree that what happens in Incarna stays in Incarna.

If you don't want NeX items to affect your space game, then don't expect the space game to affect NeX items. Double standards bro! If you can destroy my NeX items then I should be able to pay for an NeX item that blows your ship up! After all, Eve is dark, harsh and brutal!

A very lucid argument! :)

+1

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:25:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Nerodon


But Eve IS dark, harsh and brutal.
Letting people wear barbie clothing in a station is their business. If you're one of those same people who think Incarna is not Eve because it isn't space related, then you should agree that what happens in Incarna stays in Incarna.

If you don't want NeX items to affect your space game, then don't expect the space game to affect NeX items. Double standards bro! If you can destroy my NeX items then I should be able to pay for an NeX item that blows your ship up! After all, Eve is dark, harsh and brutal!
Ok so if Incarna is not part of EVE then whoever wears a Monocle or NeX item should not be able to undock. That would be fine with me.

drendell
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:29:00 - [50]
 

make yourself up a sci fi reason as to why your clothes follow you around and live with it.

invisible camra drones that kind of thing.

MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:29:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
1. This is not just CCP's game. This is our game as well. We erected the stations, built the ships, we paid for it, we filled it with life.
No. I don't own the Coca-Cola company simply because I drink Coke. And you don't own Eve. CCP does. We pay to play. The money you give them is not some kind of personal financial investment on your behalf.

Quote:
2. People raging over stuff that got blown up is exactly what EVE was about in the past. Ever heard of "Don't fly a ship you can't afford to lose." Same goes for wearing pants you're not ok to **** in when the going gets tough. And yes, clothes are not being worn in Space but Monocles are. There's no way these things are going to be surgically removed before entering a pod therefore they should be destroyed when people get podded.
In the case of vanity items that were paid with real-life money and play ABSOLUTELY NO ROLE outside combat other than "HAHA i jest ****d him oFf in reelz life!1" it makes sense that they're indestructible.

Yes, it hurts the feelings of idiots that would love to go about causing real-life economic damage to others in a video game. But that is not a reason to make them destructible.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:32:00 - [52]
 

I find it hilarious that you tools don't get that there's no difference between ISK and "real life money".


Seven Sphynx
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:35:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Nerodon

You already have PLENTY of ways to create tears amongst the players you prey on. Why can't you let this particular feature go? I understand that you'd like to keep the game a dark and unsafe place (because it is). But it's enough to make a new player cry because he lost a few hours investment for his new ship, but you have to rob him of his real-life money investments too? You are indeed a pirate psychopath!

No he is not. He's a normal human being. Sometimes some of us love to see others cry. Having that power over someone else is satisfying.

The fact alone that you're already begging him to let go of your indestructible monocle is pathetic and serves as a very good example on how the prey (you) just attracts predators like him who like to see you whimper like you're doing right now.

Eve should be dark, harsh and brutal. Giving people shiny things that can't be destroyed turns eve into Hello Kitty online.

Thanks for pointing this out Yarrrrhh :-)

And sorry Nerodon, but assuming I am a psycopath in RL is as ridiculous as claiming that Bruno Ganz, who played Adolf H1tler in "Downfall", effectively committed genocide in RL.
Or that people who play Quake Arena, Battlefield, or (soon) Dust run around in RL shooting rocket launchers in other people's face. I hope you understand how pathetically ridiculous your assumption is.

EVE online is a game, and in this game I like(d) to RP (among other things) a pirate who, most of the time, fights other pirates. I certainly do not feel guilty every time I blow up an internet battleship that (according to the EVE lore) has several thousands (innocent) people as crew. Do you?

Also, you know absolutely NOTHING about me, or what I do in RL. If you really want to know, I served in the Navy, I am a teacher in two international universities, I run a company and am a member the UNICEF, to whom I give over 10 times the amount of money most pay for the EVE subscription in charity every year.
I am against all forms of war and violence, with the exception of that necessary to protect your freedom, the one of your family and your land.


MatrixSkye Mk2
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:35:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I find it hilarious that you tools don't get that there's no difference between ISK and "real life money".


u mad? u mad :)

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:38:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I find it hilarious that you tools don't get that there's no difference between ISK and "real life money".




Hmmm, please name the legal way to turn ISK into money.

I personally would have no problem with:

1: Vanity items worn are destructible.
2: Vanity items cost 1/10th as much.
3: Basic clothing items simply being considered courtesy garb freely available in any Captains Quarters anywhere, much like fluffy robes and slippers being available in 5 star hotels... as we pod pilot Demi-Gods are a step above that anyway. Very Happy


Ard UnjiiGo
Meatshield Bastards
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:40:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Maduin Ardens

They could care less, the same reason ransoms died three years ago, too many people decided that honoring ransoms was not as lucrative as taking them and then destroying the victim anyways for additional loot.

The fact that they were even shocked when people started bailing on low sec in droves and targets became increasingly scarce and ransoms stopped being paid, is just incredibly ironic.

I mean, what did they think would happen?


Hogwash.

If anything, there are more people in low sec than 3 years ago.

There are plenty of pilots still collecting and paying ransoms. Here's a ransom board to give you an idea from just one alliance: Bastards Ransom Board

Concerning the topic of the thread: It's just unfortunate.

CCP regularly concerns itself with balance of the ingame professions be it mining, missioning, etc. Pirating, love it or hate it, is one of the big draws to the game along with 0.0, spaceships, the market and the crafting system.

However, pirating as a profession gets no love from CCP. What little benefits enjoyed are thanks to CCP refusing to change game mechanics. Essentially benign neglect.

By making the vanity items indestructible, CCP missed a golden opportunity to buff pirating as a profession by making extortion more profitable.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:41:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I find it hilarious that you tools don't get that there's no difference between ISK and "real life money".




Hmmm, please name the legal way to turn ISK into money.

So you're admitting that ISK can be turned into any other currency using illegal means? Thanks, you just proved my point.

Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:41:00 - [58]
 

CCP won't make them destructible because if they did, no one would buy them, and CCP is determined to milk as much money out of them as they possibly can to fund world of twilight.

Ferric Sevic
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:44:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Seven Sphynx

they made over 3000 players cancel over 5000 accounts within a few days.



I've seen this argument used for weeks now and it insults the intelligence of the community that you would even try to pass it off as a rational for an argument without first performing due diligence.

1) Cite your sources. This is pretty basic.

2) You have provided no analysis of what happens to the player subscription rates following the release of an expansion. You have no idea what the normal rate of desubscription vs resubscription on a per day basis, much less during the weeks following a release. For all we know, 3000 de subs could be the norm, except this time people just decided to whine and post about it.

3) This is perhaps the most critical oversight. You didn't poll anyone who might have subscribed to eve because they thought Incarna was cool or liked the feature.

So you really have no idea what happened to the subscription rates, you only know that a lot of peopled signed a form saying they quit.

You may doubt my sanity for buying NeX items, but I am assured of the lack of your intelligence from your post.

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:45:00 - [60]
 

It's more like Hello Pony Online.


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