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Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:10:00 - [31]
 

Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 11/07/2011 21:12:15
Originally by: Lupus Hekki
I should've said WW1, my bad.
The only reason that technology was produced in WW2 was because the germans did so too (or people were fed up by being under marshal law)

But in repeated wars, technology has no delay, but a random war when someone is uprising, well ouch.

Airplane Technology took off like you would not beleive in WW1. Hell it is what made the Air Travel of today possible. Before the War it was a Gimmick, using technology durring and after the War passenger Aircraft both Planes and Zepplins were created bridging the world in a way Boats never could.

A war creates need, need for better weapons, need for a products in a rationed society. These trickle down to the consumer market where they find use in the public.

Things Like

Vacuum Packed Foods
Nylon
Synthetic Oil, Lubericants and Rubber
Microwaves
Passenger Aircraft
Vehical Engines
various Food Items
Breakthroughs in Medical Science
Nuclear Power
Submarines
Ballons and Zepplins
Many of the Chemicals you use at home
Almost every break through in Ocean Ships
Jet and Rocket Engines
The Internet
Radar
Radio

These are just a few things that came from War, or Military Projects that turned to civilain use.

War is horrible but it is in not usually stagnant for a society. New Eden Empire Wars tend to be small in nature and major centers do not get hit, the fear of War and loosing War has probably pushed there technology farther then anything else.

Jove on the otherhand are stagnant and that is bad, with all there needs met they are not striving for anything new. If anything they are so focused on there Jove disease and isolation that the Empires are probably catching up quick.

Lupus Hekki
Caldari
Legio Carminatus
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:11:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Lupus Hekki on 11/07/2011 21:13:07
Originally by: digitalwanderer
We still have a lot of missing information regarding the sleepers and the jove before coming to any sort of final conclusion, except their far older than the main 4 aliances and have much more powerfull ships available.....It's aa shame that at least the jove storyline hasn't evolved at all in the 8 years the game has been running now...Sad



Correct! Sleepers where the first inhabitants of New Eden, peacefully, without lousy players blowing them up.

Note to any CCP, make a meeting about this, give us anything relating to jove, a story, a background, a ship, a module, a implant, hell even a dog-tag or DNA, ANYTHING.


Originally by: Alara IonStorm

These are just a few things that came from War, or Military Projects that turned to civilain use.


That's my point, the tech that they made isn't accessible by us for a long time.
I still can't fly a F16 jet Sad

baltec1
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:11:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Lupus Hekki
Originally by: Alara IonStorm

Wat?! WW2 was responsable for so much new technology it is crazy.


I should've said WW1, my bad.
The only reason that technology was produced in WW2 was because the germans did so too (or people were fed up by being under marshal law)

But in repeated wars, technology has no delay, but a random war when someone is uprising, well ouch.


Fighter plane technology jumped forwards greatly in WW1 and we Brits invented the tank which was somewhat important along with medical advances. Even the post office learned new tricks.

Lilliana Stelles
Caldari
Nagrom Security Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:12:00 - [34]
 

I think it could be done if Jove ships could only be earned with Jove LP, which was also required for all the skillbooks, and if they were reduced in power to be closer to other faction ships. And of course this would require players who wanted them to head into nullsec Jove space.

Ranita Drell
Intaki Liberation Front
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:13:00 - [35]
 

I think the lore could accommodate the introduction of Jovian technology. The Angel Cartel has been picking over the remains of a Jovian Empire in Curse for a while now, capsule technology has matured, we've been exploring Sleeper ruins and have developed tech 2 and tech 3 ships, so the empires and pirate factions have probably already closed much of the ground between them and the Jove, at least with their most expensive and secret prototypes. The Jove are a race in decline and it's not hard to believe that they could actually be moving backwards technologically.

Jove ships have dominated in the past, but that could be the result of some very fragile technological advantage, like an exotic bit of shield mojo or EWAR capability, for example, that has a cheap but as yet unknown counter (something that would be tricky to discover at first, but which could then be added to all existing ships). That could partially explain why the Jove are so elusive and tend to act indirectly. If they engage the empires head on too often, chances are someone would figure out how to counter their special sauce and severely neuter their a big part of their technological edge.

Still, I think this is something CCP would have to be careful with. The Jove are cool because they're mysterious, but I'd be OK with them lifting the veil somewhat so long as the answers we get lead to new, more intriguing questions.

If they do introduce Jovian tech, I think that's something that should be integrated into a major game expansion, as was done with tech 3 and Apocrypha. Ideally, Jovian ships would fill a role that has minimal overlap with existing ships. Possibly it would fill some specific niche created by the new expansion, like a new form of exploration or harvesting.

Possibly we would not need to get actual Jovian ships, but instead Jovian modules and ships enhanced with Jovian tech. If and when they implement true motherships, each of the races could have them, but all of the racial motherships would include some amount of Jovian styling.

Lupus Hekki
Caldari
Legio Carminatus
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:16:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Lupus Hekki on 11/07/2011 21:26:41
Edited by: Lupus Hekki on 11/07/2011 21:19:30
Originally by: Ranita Drell
I think the lore could accommodate the introduction of Jovian technology. The Angel Cartel has been picking over the remains of a Jovian Empire in Curse for a while now, capsule technology has matured, we've been exploring Sleeper ruins and have developed tech 2 and tech 3 ships, so the empires and pirate factions have probably already closed much of the ground between them and the Jove, at least with their most expensive and secret prototypes. The Jove are a race in decline and it's not hard to believe that they could actually be moving backwards technologically.

Jove ships have dominated in the past, but that could be the result of some very fragile technological advantage, like an exotic bit of shield mojo or EWAR capability, for example, that has a cheap but as yet unknown counter (something that would be tricky to discover at first, but which could then be added to all existing ships). That could partially explain why the Jove are so elusive and tend to act indirectly. If they engage the empires head on too often, chances are someone would figure out how to counter their special sauce and severely neuter their a big part of their technological edge.

Still, I think this is something CCP would have to be careful with. The Jove are cool because they're mysterious, but I'd be OK with them lifting the veil somewhat so long as the answers we get lead to new, more intriguing questions.

If they do introduce Jovian tech, I think that's something that should be integrated into a major game expansion, as was done with tech 3 and Apocrypha. Ideally, Jovian ships would fill a role that has minimal overlap with existing ships. Possibly it would fill some specific niche created by the new expansion, like a new form of exploration or harvesting.

Possibly we would not need to get actual Jovian ships, but instead Jovian modules and ships enhanced with Jovian tech. If and when they implement true motherships, each of the races could have them, but all of the racial motherships would include some amount of Jovian styling.


This is why EVE Forums should have a "Like" button

Also wouldn't it be amazing to make a unstable wormhole, stable?

Also is it worth bothering posting this in the Features and Ideas Section?

Dr Ming
Mindworks
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:28:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Dr Ming on 11/07/2011 21:34:30
Originally by: Lupus Hekki
Originally by: Alara IonStorm

Wat?! WW2 was responsable for so much new technology it is crazy.


I should've said WW1, my bad.
The only reason that technology was produced in WW2 was because the germans did so too (or people were fed up by being under marshal law)

But in repeated wars, technology has no delay, but a random war when someone is uprising, well ouch.


Wars generate technology because national governments dump wads of cash into research programs to make new and better things to blow people up with. Wads of cash that private companies are beyond unwilling to spend on research. The people working on those military research projects then turn around and use that technology for non-military applications at their next employer.

Without wars goading governments into dropping that much cash into research you wouldn't have the basic building blocks of a lot of modern technology like the internet to play spaceships on or GPS to tell you to take a right at the next corner.

edit: oh yea, lets not forget about COMPUTERS. I mean really.

Wangston Hughes
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:32:00 - [38]
 

Fix the ships and broken **** we already have before they add more stuff to **** up with.

Lupus Hekki
Caldari
Legio Carminatus
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:48:00 - [39]
 

Edited by: Lupus Hekki on 11/07/2011 21:49:16
Originally by: Dr Ming
Edited by: Dr Ming on 11/07/2011 21:34:30
Originally by: Lupus Hekki
Originally by: Alara IonStorm

Wat?! WW2 was responsable for so much new technology it is crazy.


I should've said WW1, my bad.
The only reason that technology was produced in WW2 was because the germans did so too (or people were fed up by being under marshal law)

But in repeated wars, technology has no delay, but a random war when someone is uprising, well ouch.


Wars generate technology because national governments dump wads of cash into research programs to make new and better things to blow people up with. Wads of cash that private companies are beyond unwilling to spend on research. The people working on those military research projects then turn around and use that technology for non-military applications at their next employer.

Without wars goading governments into dropping that much cash into research you wouldn't have the basic building blocks of a lot of modern technology like the internet to play spaceships on or GPS to tell you to take a right at the next corner.

edit: oh yea, lets not forget about COMPUTERS. I mean really.


Computers weren't made in WW2 or WW1.
Something poped up in WW2 that sure as hell lead to it.
But computers entirely itself, no.

Technology get improved for wars, nothing entirely new is made, always to improve something.
Nothing is "Invented" really, a few things were, point given.

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.11 21:56:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Lupus Hekki
Technology get improved for wars, nothing entirely new is made, always to improve something.
Nothing is "Invented" really, a few things were, point given.

Yes and your point was society becomes stagnant in War and less so out of it.

These inovations came in war, the need to improve on such out of war inventions. Radar was invented in the War btw and it has made it possible to track and monitor flights.

War has been the engine that drives technology for a loooong time. Most inventions can ethier be traced to a military purpose or did not see wide spread use until it was developed upon for the military.

Thomas Orca
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.11 22:09:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Lupus Hekki

Computers weren't made in WW2 or WW1.
Something poped up in WW2 that sure as hell lead to it.
But computers entirely itself, no.

Technology get improved for wars, nothing entirely new is made, always to improve something.
Nothing is "Invented" really, a few things were, point given.


The advances in computer technology were pushed by the Cold War.

Nishachara
True Enlightenment
Posted - 2011.07.11 22:43:00 - [42]
 

I am modest Wink...
I would be satisfied with jove cloak...

As far as i know they are always elusive and are always cloaking stuff here and there.
So i suppose their cloaking systems are one part that "secret sauce" someone mentioned.


Uuali
Posted - 2011.07.11 23:02:00 - [43]
 

Jove equal only one thing for CCP…


Ace in the hole.



If and when this game goes south they'll unleash the Jove to reinvigorate it. Mark my words. No need to put all the apples in one basket.

Of course, some times it's good to give us a few more apples up front or suffer the bad press over the present situation.

Nak hak
Posted - 2011.07.11 23:14:00 - [44]
 

Bad idea. CCP is not going to give you what you want. Wait minute,.... are you willing to pay large sums of real world cash for it?

Laughing

Hoya en Marland
Posted - 2011.07.12 00:38:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Uuali
Jove equal only one thing for CCP…


Ace in the hole.



If and when this game goes south they'll unleash the Jove to reinvigorate it. Mark my words. No need to put all the apples in one basket.

My thoughts exactly. One day when CCP decides to open up Jove space we'll know that they are desperate.

Palmput
Broski Enterprises
Elite Space Guild
Posted - 2011.07.12 01:34:00 - [46]
 

What I want to know is why they removed all the Jove ships from the in-game database. I can't look at their previews and stuff now. Sad

Cancel Align NOW
Posted - 2011.07.12 03:07:00 - [47]
 

Previews are recent additions.
Jove were simply not put into that collection of data - not removed from.

They should do this with aura.

Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.07.12 03:23:00 - [48]
 

New race is a good idea but no joves.

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.12 03:47:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Kuronaga on 12/07/2011 03:48:35
Jove tech is said to be "eons" ahead of the other empires.

You don't get anywhere near closing that kind of gap by reverse engineering a few bits of surviving technology of a lesser race you still hardly understand.

Jove are OP and it's going to stay that way.

They can even take away the controls of our ships and remote pilot us around for laughs.

What you gonna do about that? You gonna do nothing. You gonna die.


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