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Neral Tasat
Posted - 2011.07.11 15:18:00 - [1]
 

I may have missed it before but this article reads like the whole game will cost nothing (except the initial buy-in): http://www.next-gen.biz/news/dust-514-will-require-initial-cover-charge

If so, may I suggest that CCP should give away lots of free PS3s to us subscribers so we can actually play what we are funding? I thought Dust was going to be a normal priced game selling for the usual 40-70 in stores which would bring quite some revenue. Having no subscription fees in Dust 514 is totally legit but I don't see the point in giving it away for free. Maybe it's just because it went PS3 exclusive and CCP now fears ending up with only a few hundred players online at best if they are selling it as a regular video game and it flops? (I'm thinking about Blur at this point)

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.11 15:25:00 - [2]
 

The word free shows up in advertising a lot. Costs you an arm and a leg to get access to your "free" though.

Desert Ice78
Gryphon River Industries
R-I-P
Posted - 2011.07.11 15:33:00 - [3]
 

Please show me ANYTHING in this world that is free, and I'll show you the scam.

Dust will NOT be free, even if it says so on the box, in fact, most particularly if it says so on the box. It is pay-to-win just like all those other "free" to play games ad's that we are bombarded with night and day.

handige harrie
Posted - 2011.07.11 15:38:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Desert Ice78
Please show me ANYTHING in this world that is free, and I'll show you the scam.



Look outside, if it's light ie. you can see stuff through the windows look for the brightest boll in the sky, it's called the sun (or a phosphor grenade, in that case, take cover...). It gives warmth and light, which are free. There also are Rain and Wind, and even Lightning which won't cost a dime.

Now, show me the scam.

Neqa'el Uphir
Amarr
PORTAL KOMBAT
Posted - 2011.07.11 15:41:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Neqa''el Uphir on 11/07/2011 15:42:34
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1549329

Do post here:) (and read up)

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.07.11 15:57:00 - [6]
 

it just works like a lot of other F2P MMOs

Neqa'el Uphir
Amarr
PORTAL KOMBAT
Posted - 2011.07.11 15:58:00 - [7]
 

No, cause its linked to EVE u dummi.. read the other topic.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:13:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: handige harrie
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Please show me ANYTHING in this world that is free, and I'll show you the scam.



Look outside, if it's light ie. you can see stuff through the windows look for the brightest boll in the sky, it's called the sun (or a phosphor grenade, in that case, take cover...). It gives warmth and light, which are free. There also are Rain and Wind, and even Lightning which won't cost a dime.

Now, show me the scam.


If this were the middle ages and you could have a reasonable expectation of living a nomadic existence in some far off land where no one would ever tax you for your citizenship and you could live off the land, that would be an accurate assessment.

But if you mean free in layman's terms, where you can pretty much argue any point you want because it's little more than semantics, then yes, sunlight is free, and to enjoy that sunlight costs you nothing.

Ryan Shadows
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:28:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: handige harrie
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Please show me ANYTHING in this world that is free, and I'll show you the scam.



Look outside, if it's light ie. you can see stuff through the windows look for the brightest boll in the sky, it's called the sun (or a phosphor grenade, in that case, take cover...). It gives warmth and light, which are free. There also are Rain and Wind, and even Lightning which won't cost a dime.

Now, show me the scam.


If this were the middle ages and you could have a reasonable expectation of living a nomadic existence in some far off land where no one would ever tax you for your citizenship and you could live off the land, that would be an accurate assessment.

But if you mean free in layman's terms, where you can pretty much argue any point you want because it's little more than semantics, then yes, sunlight is free, and to enjoy that sunlight costs you nothing.


Well........just for the sake of messing with you. The son and rain costs me all kinds of money in flip flops, sun screen lotion, re-painting my house/car (over many years of course), and other stupid things that I need to live the norm nowadays. Rain costs me umbrellas, rain coats, windshield wipers, ******ed amounts in heating bills for your house. But all in all yes, feeling the sun is free, but the sun and rain will get you one way or another :). I'm just messing with you btw, not saying it just to be an ass.

Lu'Marat
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:28:00 - [10]
 

I trust you fine people are aware that most console titles are free apart from the box price and the default network subscription? That's exactly WHY microtransactions are such a big thing for them. I have no problem with that, as long as it doesn't spoil my game, and so far I don't see that coming.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:36:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: handige harrie
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Please show me ANYTHING in this world that is free, and I'll show you the scam.



Look outside, if it's light ie. you can see stuff through the windows look for the brightest boll in the sky, it's called the sun (or a phosphor grenade, in that case, take cover...). It gives warmth and light, which are free. There also are Rain and Wind, and even Lightning which won't cost a dime.

Now, show me the scam.


In order to look outside, you must have the freedom to do so. This means that your ability to see the light of day is conditional upon observing society's rules. By the same merit, because there is conflict in our world, someone had to die in order to give you a land to live in.

Furthermore, you must be alive in order to perceive the light and warmth that the sun gives you. Being alive costs money (or at the very least, time and resources). Even if someone else gives you your food for "free", someone had to pay for that food - someone had to harvest it, and someone had to transport it to you.

Basically, the cost of sunlight is the cost of your taxes plus your cost of living.

Although economists generally consider that the only "free" resources on this planet are sunlight and air. However in this day and age, clean air is not free anymore.

Nubia Sekhen
Gallente
Dangerously Inebriated Enterprises
DUST ALLIANCE
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:40:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: handige harrie
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Please show me ANYTHING in this world that is free, and I'll show you the scam.



Look outside, if it's light ie. you can see stuff through the windows look for the brightest boll in the sky, it's called the sun (or a phosphor grenade, in that case, take cover...). It gives warmth and light, which are free. There also are Rain and Wind, and even Lightning which won't cost a dime.

Now, show me the scam.


It's only free a few days (trial), then you will need food to keep on enjoying it. And food cost money. Unless you grow it yourself, then it costs time. And time = money.

There. Easy enough.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:42:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Ryan Shadows
Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: handige harrie
Originally by: Desert Ice78
Please show me ANYTHING in this world that is free, and I'll show you the scam.



Look outside, if it's light ie. you can see stuff through the windows look for the brightest boll in the sky, it's called the sun (or a phosphor grenade, in that case, take cover...). It gives warmth and light, which are free. There also are Rain and Wind, and even Lightning which won't cost a dime.

Now, show me the scam.


If this were the middle ages and you could have a reasonable expectation of living a nomadic existence in some far off land where no one would ever tax you for your citizenship and you could live off the land, that would be an accurate assessment.

But if you mean free in layman's terms, where you can pretty much argue any point you want because it's little more than semantics, then yes, sunlight is free, and to enjoy that sunlight costs you nothing.


Well........just for the sake of messing with you. The son and rain costs me all kinds of money in flip flops, sun screen lotion, re-painting my house/car (over many years of course), and other stupid things that I need to live the norm nowadays. Rain costs me umbrellas, rain coats, windshield wipers, ******ed amounts in heating bills for your house. But all in all yes, feeling the sun is free, but the sun and rain will get you one way or another :). I'm just messing with you btw, not saying it just to be an ass.


LOL yea, same thing I was doing with the poster I quoted, generally speaking, there's always some tradeoff associated with this or that thing, you gotta loosen up the rules to make universal statements about damn near anything at all, however...

...the whole 'nothing is free' argument rings true only depending on what you define as actual expenses, ya know? Cuz technically just existing requires food, water, and shelter, and we know those are not free, lol...

I just like pointing out when people try to split hairs on this or that... i.e. the sunlight is free therefore there must be other things in the world that are free is a way of stacking the deck with the obvious, i.e. sure being alive is free, but I had to register for the selective service when I turned 18 to be legal in the US, and if by some extreme stroke of chance they institute a new draft and I am sent overseas, my life may very well be forfeit, so... what is really free?

Well, depends on how extreme you want to go with your definition.

I consider lots of things to be free simply because worrying about how they are not, is not worth the headache and I would rather just enjoy those freedoms and be rather oblivious to whether they are truly free or not.

Kind of like watching a movie, I know a lot of people whose only condition for whether a movie was good or not is if the directors managed to fool them with some twist in the plot or make a plot that genuinely kept secrets from them until the right moment. Well, I find it hard to believe that any movie could both fool me and also explain to me how I was fooled at the same time, so I simply watch movies for just that, they are movies. I let myself be the fool, and I enjoy the movie without trying to outsmart it, because to be honest, it's a movie and entertainment, if I wanted to be outsmarted I would go to a technology convention and hear people with doctorates in math talk about imaginary numbers all afternoon.

Rion Deteisan
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:46:00 - [14]
 

IF YOU PAY CASH TO GET ANYTHING, IT IS NOT FREE!!

I dont see how this is not understood. Shocked

You are getting some free in-game currency when you buy the game. Looks like CCP just spun it on ya.

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:56:00 - [15]
 

It's free once you've paid for it. And if you need a gun to shoot things with you'll need to pay for that, and some pants, oh, and don't forget your monocle too. But you can walk around naked and punch things for free, once you've bought the game of course...

Vincent Athena
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:20:00 - [16]
 

From what CCP comments Ive read my guess is Dust will work like this:

There will be stuff you can buy for ISK, and other stuff you can buy with Aurum (yes, the same ISK and Aurum).

You got to somehow earn the right to use stuff. So you cannot sign up, pull out a big credit card and be awesome day one.

Even the stuff obtained via Aurum will be resell-able, so if you are good at making ISK, its "free to play" to the same degree Eve is. Also as Dust players are in the same corps as Eve players, you could finance your dust character with your Jita trader.

Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov
The Eleusinian Mystery Cult
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:30:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Rodion Romanovich Raskolnikov on 11/07/2011 18:34:22

Quote:
I may have missed it before but this article reads like the whole game will cost nothing (except the initial buy-in):


Laughing

The 'initial buy-in'? Riiight.

Just like a pint of milk costs nothing - except for the 'initial buy-in' or 'cover charge'.

Just like an iPod costs nothing - except for the 'initial buy-in' or 'cover charge'.

Just like a house costs nothing - except for the 'initial buy-in' or 'cover charge'.

Adam Kirwen
Posted - 2011.07.12 01:14:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Adam Kirwen on 12/07/2011 01:14:35

Bah, ignore. Wrong thread.


 

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