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Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.12 04:21:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Mister Smithington
I have said that CCP has made very stupid decisions recently.

The NeX store is a fantastic example. If CCP wanted to make a mint, they'd price everything at impulse-buy levels and make them destructible. The CSM more or less stated in their statement that the NeX store implementation was incompetently handled.



The pricing in the next store was a brilliant decision, although it was poorly communicated. I agree that if they had made the prices much lower at impulse buy level they would have made much more money. But the also would have driven the demand for plex up to ridiculous extremes, which would have in turn inflated the price.

If the isk price of plex goes up, the value of the entire eve economy goes down. If CCP had done as you suggested, they would have made lots more money on the NEX store, but then cause the eve economy to crash, destroying the rest of the game.

They had a choice;

a) more money and a broken game

or

b) less money and a working game.

They chose wisely.

Now if only they had of communicated this better to the players...

Misha M'Liena
Amarr
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.07.12 04:28:00 - [92]
 

Khamelean, Your either Hilmar or Zulu. Your posts are so polished and ccp worded. It is obvious your a dev. I don't care one way or the other. But to quote a few people here *Post with your main*

Nex was badly handled. To say otherwise shows you work for ccp. To make the most cash, the prices shoulda been low. And the products destroyable. Ie repeat business.
Terribly bad business decision there. Sorry Khamelean but it was.

Misha.

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.12 04:33:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Khamelean on 12/07/2011 04:34:32
Originally by: Misha M'Liena
Khamelean, Your either Hilmar or Zulu. Your posts are so polished and ccp worded. It is obvious your a dev. I don't care one way or the other. But to quote a few people here *Post with your main*

Nex was badly handled. To say otherwise shows you work for ccp. To make the most cash, the prices shoulda been low. And the products destroyable. Ie repeat business.
Terribly bad business decision there. Sorry Khamelean but it was.

Misha.


This is my main. I'm sorry if my grammar, spelling and logic offend you.

If they had done as you suggested they would have destroyed the eve economy, possibly beyond repair. There is more to making good business decisions than "make the most cash as soon as possible".

The NEX store was handled badly, but not because of the pricing. What they screwed up was player expectations.

Nak hak
Posted - 2011.07.12 05:00:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Nak hak on 12/07/2011 05:01:30
Just take your $20/40/60 and go to a nice movie. Honestly as an entertainment company, CCP does not create compelling entertainment content. With EVE Online it was/is all about the community. That is what makes/made it a compelling game. CCP brings very little to the entertainment industry.

Currently, CCP is a one shot wonder. What they have in the pipeline is unproven in the market place. With Icarna CCP shot their.... you know what.

Laughing




Hawk Firestorm
Posted - 2011.07.12 05:15:00 - [95]
 

TBH after seeing Dust 514 I'm rather bemused by it all.

It looks great but for the love of god the one thing I can't figure out is why in hell would CCP decide to tie themselves down to one platform, completely ignore their PC user player base which is their bread and butter and plump instead for Playstation.

It would have been just amazing for EVE/Dustplayers to be truely integrated allowing pc players to move seemlessly between both, now that just won't be possible which is sad and well just plain nuts!

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.12 06:00:00 - [96]
 

"We have some initial assumptions but we'll put it out there and see how the player base during the trials reacts to it," CCP said.

LOL, i really need to find out where hilmar buys his weed, he's obviously getting the good stuff.

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.12 06:04:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
Edited by: Khamelean on 12/07/2011 04:34:32
Originally by: Misha M'Liena
Khamelean, Your either Hilmar or Zulu. Your posts are so polished and ccp worded. It is obvious your a dev. I don't care one way or the other. But to quote a few people here *Post with your main*

Nex was badly handled. To say otherwise shows you work for ccp. To make the most cash, the prices shoulda been low. And the products destroyable. Ie repeat business.
Terribly bad business decision there. Sorry Khamelean but it was.

Misha.


This is my main.


i call bull****, and i'm going with zulu because the last time hilmar opened his mouth he had trouble stringing 2 sentences together that didn't somehow involve people having to pay him for his poorly conceived attempt at a shooter

Edgar Loke
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:06:00 - [98]
 

For what its worth. I was ready to buy the game at full price when it was announced. So 20 bucks doesn't bother me. Buying things with Aur doesn't bother me in this game since its not going to be a full priced game. Corps in EVE bankrolling Dust players doesn't bother me, because you can convert Isk to Plex or just buy plexes and then make Aur.

Nope, I'm pretty cool with all of this so far. I'd prefer CCP does this on PC, but that could change down the road, so its all good.

Neqa'el Uphir
Amarr
PORTAL KOMBAT
Posted - 2011.07.12 13:27:00 - [99]
 

Edited by: Neqa''el Uphir on 12/07/2011 13:28:19
Yeah. Forgetting one basic thing - PLEX price in ISK is based on supply and demand, and supply wont be enough when u need to go out pay the World of Dust monkeys, so it is a p2w in that case, so for this not to bother you:

1. You dont care about sov or essential game mechanics that make EVE what it is
2. you havent actually played the game
3. you intend to invest in that crap
4. you are 0800 ******

*Various combinations of the above also possible. See back of manual for instructions. Additional fees may apply**
**Or be applied free of charge for a pre-purchased fee***
If this text confuses you, see your good doctor or refer to EVE Dev blogs, which are even less comprehensive. For Science.. no. For PROFIT!

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:02:00 - [100]
 

If the game costs 20 bucks to be played with that money being converted into nothing, ok (yea because you wont be able to buy anything decent with that amount if a monocle is 70 bucks)

If the game is 50 U$ + 20 U$ then its a pureand delicious fail. IF so, EVE players will have to be milked to death to save that game.

Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
Blue Republic
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:03:00 - [101]
 

*Engage tinfoil hat subroutine alpha*

Khamelean...You speak with a helluva lot of certainty about things. Very precisely worded and always totally in line with the official CCP stance.

Just sayin....


J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:08:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Bullyboutya

First off only dummies buy games this GEN. Gamefly have saved me soooooooooo much money it's not even funny. I use to play every single new game that came out thanks to gamefly. Then laughed at all the dummies who blew $60 on an incomplete game.

I would rather pay $10-20 instead of $60 for an incomplete game and day. CCP is smart in this aspect no disc version digital down load only. That cuts off Gamefly, and Gamestop :) so the smart consumer will look at Dust as a $10 or $20 buy brillant :)




I suppose that makes me an uber-dummy. I like to purchase new games (never used) at full price on release date for those games I find worthy of my attention. Why? To support the game developers that develop killer stuff for me to devour. I can see doing the Gamefly thing to test out games I'm unsure of, but once I found them to my liking I'd go out and purchase my own copy.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.12 14:16:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: J Kunjeh on 12/07/2011 14:15:53
To add my two Isk, I think their plan with Dust (as much as we've heard) is a good one. The up-front "cover charge" works to make sure only those who are really serious about the game join in. Sure, CCP could likely have made more giving it away for free, but I am a firm believer in quality over quantity.

Also, Khamelean makes a ton of sense and actually posts that aren't painful to read (at least in this thread, haven't read his others). Those who accuse him of being a CCP alt? Totally lame attempt at an argument.

Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.07.12 19:27:00 - [104]
 

Confirming that I too, am a Dev alt because I agree with CCP in their decisions.

(except getting rid if ship spinning docked interface. Bad CCP!)

Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.12 20:07:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Faith Clothos on 12/07/2011 20:09:06
Originally by: Khamelean
Edited by: Khamelean on 12/07/2011 04:34:32
Originally by: Misha M'Liena
Khamelean, Your either Hilmar or Zulu. Your posts are so polished and ccp worded. It is obvious your a dev. I don't care one way or the other. But to quote a few people here *Post with your main*

Nex was badly handled. To say otherwise shows you work for ccp. To make the most cash, the prices shoulda been low. And the products destroyable. Ie repeat business.
Terribly bad business decision there. Sorry Khamelean but it was.

Misha.


This is my main. I'm sorry if my grammar, spelling and logic offend you.

If they had done as you suggested they would have destroyed the eve economy, possibly beyond repair. There is more to making good business decisions than "make the most cash as soon as possible".

The NEX store was handled badly, but not because of the pricing. What they screwed up was player expectations.


Very possible its his main as he does not usually post or play on Zinfandel.

However, some interesting tidbits about Khamelean:

Born the same month as CCP Zinfaindel with a difference of 13 days. This is two months after Zinfaindel started his employment at CCP.

Speaks like a marketing hack.

Carefully worded statements mirroring CCP marketing positions.

Speaks with authority about the game, despite his only game experience being (if this is indeed his main as he claims) Eve University, a high sec training corp.

Up to 2011.06.26, he had 2 posts both dealing with EVE lore. 180 posts since then written with authority and knowledge dealing with MT pricing, and the NEX.

Khamelean = Chameleon. Although in this case he is not particularly good at blending with his surroundings.

Khamelean is CCP Zinfaindel doing undercover marketing while misrepresenting himself as a member of the playerbase instead of a CCP marketing guy.

Yes, the same Zinfaindel that bought a Spectral Tiger for WOW according to the minutes, and who introduced the current round of nonsense.

How about actually posting with your bluebar and you know, having an honest discussion with the community. Perhaps listening to them for a change?

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:41:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Faith Clothos


Very possible its his main as he does not usually post or play on Zinfandel.

However, some interesting tidbits about Khamelean:

Born the same month as CCP Zinfaindel with a difference of 13 days. This is two months after Zinfaindel started his employment at CCP.

Speaks like a marketing hack.

Carefully worded statements mirroring CCP marketing positions.

Speaks with authority about the game, despite his only game experience being (if this is indeed his main as he claims) Eve University, a high sec training corp.

Up to 2011.06.26, he had 2 posts both dealing with EVE lore. 180 posts since then written with authority and knowledge dealing with MT pricing, and the NEX.

Khamelean = Chameleon. Although in this case he is not particularly good at blending with his surroundings.

Khamelean is CCP Zinfaindel doing undercover marketing while misrepresenting himself as a member of the playerbase instead of a CCP marketing guy.

Yes, the same Zinfaindel that bought a Spectral Tiger for WOW according to the minutes, and who introduced the current round of nonsense.

How about actually posting with your bluebar and you know, having an honest discussion with the community. Perhaps listening to them for a change?


Damn, that's a lot of tinfoil...

Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:47:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
Originally by: Faith Clothos


Very possible its his main as he does not usually post or play on Zinfandel.

However, some interesting tidbits about Khamelean:

Born the same month as CCP Zinfaindel with a difference of 13 days. This is two months after Zinfaindel started his employment at CCP.

Speaks like a marketing hack.

Carefully worded statements mirroring CCP marketing positions.

Speaks with authority about the game, despite his only game experience being (if this is indeed his main as he claims) Eve University, a high sec training corp.

Up to 2011.06.26, he had 2 posts both dealing with EVE lore. 180 posts since then written with authority and knowledge dealing with MT pricing, and the NEX.

Khamelean = Chameleon. Although in this case he is not particularly good at blending with his surroundings.

Khamelean is CCP Zinfaindel doing undercover marketing while misrepresenting himself as a member of the playerbase instead of a CCP marketing guy.

Yes, the same Zinfaindel that bought a Spectral Tiger for WOW according to the minutes, and who introduced the current round of nonsense.

How about actually posting with your bluebar and you know, having an honest discussion with the community. Perhaps listening to them for a change?


Damn, that's a lot of tinfoil...


Nah, just some good old putting 2 and 2 together. I guess the honest discussion and the listening are out, then?

Either way, anyone can follow your prolific, and glorious marketing spiel here.

If you are gonna try the undercover marketing thing you need to get a believable persona first. Just a friendly protip for next time.

Tiven loves Tansien
Posted - 2011.07.12 23:55:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
Originally by: Faith Clothos


Very possible its his main as he does not usually post or play on Zinfandel.

However, some interesting tidbits about Khamelean:

Born the same month as CCP Zinfaindel with a difference of 13 days. This is two months after Zinfaindel started his employment at CCP.

Speaks like a marketing hack.

Carefully worded statements mirroring CCP marketing positions.

Speaks with authority about the game, despite his only game experience being (if this is indeed his main as he claims) Eve University, a high sec training corp.

Up to 2011.06.26, he had 2 posts both dealing with EVE lore. 180 posts since then written with authority and knowledge dealing with MT pricing, and the NEX.

Khamelean = Chameleon. Although in this case he is not particularly good at blending with his surroundings.

Khamelean is CCP Zinfaindel doing undercover marketing while misrepresenting himself as a member of the playerbase instead of a CCP marketing guy.

Yes, the same Zinfaindel that bought a Spectral Tiger for WOW according to the minutes, and who introduced the current round of nonsense.

How about actually posting with your bluebar and you know, having an honest discussion with the community. Perhaps listening to them for a change?


Damn, that's a lot of tinfoil...


You got busted Zinfandel

K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.13 00:29:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
Damn, that's a lot of tinfoil...


Hi Zinf.

daddys helper
Posted - 2011.07.13 00:51:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: daddys helper on 13/07/2011 00:51:27
This thread is going places

A+ would read again

shame on you Zinf...

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.07.13 01:08:00 - [111]
 

Zinfandel really believes the stuff he shills for because he is one of the small demographic peacocks who will go to extraordinary bounds to differentiate himself from the masses visually rather than any sane fashion. It's evident in him having PR relations injected but not even bothering to train it.

He also panders in a fashion only a proper queen could do, and no amount of alt is going to conceal that.

Khamelea
Posted - 2011.07.13 02:39:00 - [112]
 

It's a said indicator on the state of the community if sounding knowledgeable and thinking about what you say is considered evidence that your not part of the community.

At first I thought you just trolling for a laugh, but I'm starting to think actually believe what your saying. So just to clarify, I'm not a dev. I don't work for CCP.

I'd love to see which post of mine your referring to where I "speak with authority". The only authority I speak with is that of someone who plays the game and reads the website.


Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.13 02:45:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Khamelea
It's a said indicator on the state of the community if sounding knowledgeable and thinking about what you say is considered evidence that your not part of the community.

At first I thought you just trolling for a laugh, but I'm starting to think actually believe what your saying. So just to clarify, I'm not a dev. I don't work for CCP.

I'd love to see which post of mine your referring to where I "speak with authority". The only authority I speak with is that of someone who plays the game and reads the website.




0/10, wrong sex, not enough letters, trying too hard.

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.13 02:59:00 - [114]
 

Whoops, posting from my phone since I'm at work and don't have computer access here. That would be my alt.


Medidranda Livoga
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:12:00 - [115]
 

They could handle plex price increase fears by allowing people to buy Aurum directly for their characters with somewhat better ratio than from plex conversion.

Faith Clothos
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:47:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Khamelean
Whoops, posting from my phone since I'm at work and don't have computer access here. That would be my alt.




Ah, gotcha, Zin.

Do you feel its immoral to misrepresent yourself as a regular player when you are part of the staff and your experience is completely detached from that of the playerbase?

I mean nothing wrong with marketing, but why not be honest and use your bluebar? I know the community can be harsh sometimes, but really, all we want is for you to really listen.

Tuning us out and trying to plant marketing messages is not the way forward.

How about a conversation, and actually treating your paying customers with upfront respect and consideration, instead as like mindless sheep and golden geese?

Baske
THE PAROXYSM
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:04:00 - [117]
 

I start to believe that CCP has massive financial trouble. This behaviour the past month seems like "controlled" panic.

Better stop the long term subs.

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.13 04:06:00 - [118]
 

Yep, Khamelean is definitely Zinf because:
1. He uses grammar and can spell
2. He enjoys EVE




Rolling Eyes

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:31:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Medidranda Livoga
They could handle plex price increase fears by allowing people to buy Aurum directly for their characters with somewhat better ratio than from plex conversion.


The problem with solution is that it negates one of primary purposes of aurum, which is a plex sink. It's designed to slowly drain excess plex out of the market. It was not designed as a cash grab. There are much better ways do that, had it been there goal.

Nikayte Askiras
Posted - 2011.07.13 05:50:00 - [120]
 

LMAO!!!! You will be hard pressed to find someone to pay $60 for some old, out dated engine's piece of sh*t, and now you have to pay a $20 dollar cover charge to get in!?! LOL...$80 in total to play some Unreal engine 3 game.

This game is going to fail so hard, and I'm going to laugh when CCP starts looking like Greece's debt problem.


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