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oolk
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:26:00 - [31]
 

probably not enough arum to do anything with anyways,so....

ITS A TARP \O/

Rion Deteisan
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:29:00 - [32]
 

Quote:
“What, exactly, you'll be able to spend your virtual money on is yet to be decided.”

"There are no plans, and have been no plans to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."



Why do I feel these 2 statements work perfectly with one another?

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:29:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Harcosi
So the $60 will be the price for the poor bastards that have crappy internet and will get double slugged a fee to play?
Poor bastards that have crappy internet should probably not play an MT-based MMOFPS.

And where are you getting that $60 price? Sounds more like some retail outfit is making unfounded assumptions…


Some people have a good connection, good download speed, but have a small download limit. Not everyone in the world has unlimited, uncapped internet.

The price comes from Tutskii's post in this thread.


Originally by: Oberine Noriepa
Read the rest of my post. Sony's networks won't be used for Dust 514. If you're so worried about credit card information being leaked, use a pre-paid PSN card to purchase your stuff. That's what I've been doing. No hassle, and no sensitive information involved.


Meh, no mouse, no care.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:30:00 - [34]
 

am i missing something or confused?

aur is used by dusties. aur has to be paid to dusties by alliances for sov. alliances have to buy plex's to convert to aur to pay dusties.
alliances are pushing the prices up to pay for sov.

and this is ok with everyone?

Oberine Noriepa
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:31:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 11/07/2011 16:33:13
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 11/07/2011 16:32:33
Edited by: Oberine Noriepa on 11/07/2011 16:31:30
Originally by: Harcosi
Meh, no mouse, no care.

It's Move compatible. Razz

Originally by: Smoking Blunts
am i missing something or confused?

aur is used by dusties. aur has to be paid to dusties by alliances for sov. alliances have to buy plex's to convert to aur to pay dusties.
alliances are pushing the prices up to pay for sov.

and this is ok with everyone?

ISK is the primary currency for Dust. Aurum is only used if someone exchanges real money for it.

Shasz
Angels of Anarchy
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:32:00 - [36]
 


Quote:
"We have some initial assumptions but we'll put it out there and see how the player base during the trials reacts to it," CCP said.


Oh man - I hope that's only in the beta "trials", otherwise Dust514 is going to flop with that kind of pre-planning.

Your MMO crowd, typically very loyal and resilient to "let's try it" types of launches, reacted very poorly to how CCP launched NeX and Incarna. If they launch Dust514 with the same kind of half-empty, poorly planned style that they have a track record of, FPS console players will turn away fast and never look back.

Don't blow it CCP.

Glyken Touchon
Gallente
Independent Alchemists
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:34:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Harcosi
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Harcosi
This doesn't make sense, the pre-order price is listed as $60
That's because the pre-order is nonsense. It's a PSN downloadable.

So the $60 will be the price for the poor bastards that have crappy internet and will get double slugged a fee to play?
Or for dumb people/fanbois. A more probable, realistic answer would be that Best Buy is taking a wild swing at what the cost will be and missing spectacularly. "it's a new computer game, and they sell for about 50 bucks, right?" If people actually pay it, more fool them.

With CCP's track record, I wouldn't recommend pre-ordering it anyway- just wait until release and have other people make sure the game works first.

Smoking Blunts
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:35:00 - [38]
 

ok so aur isnt/wont be used by dusties?


Ans Blix
Amarr
Eleutherian Guard
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:35:00 - [39]
 

old new is very old... uploaded on the 13th of June. Said the exact same thing.... Hell there's an activation fee for Eve online

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBDxkYsJKjg&feature=channel_video_title

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:37:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Harcosi
Some people have a good connection, good download speed, but have a small download limit. Not everyone in the world has unlimited, uncapped internet.
…which means they should probably stay away from net-delivered games, especially since that's how the updates will be delivered.
Quote:
The price comes from Tutskii's post in this thread.
So, a retailer making unfounded assumptions then. Razz

Nomad Vherokic
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:40:00 - [41]
 

Looks like CCP are taking a leaf out of World Of Tanks strategies... That isn't going so well at the moment.

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:46:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Tutskii on 11/07/2011 16:48:58
I wouldn't take the Best Buy price as gospel.

It is common for items to have placeholder prices if the developer has not given them concrete information. It does point that they have received information about a boxed version for sale, however minimal, however.

And, the price may always be adjusted.

Other similar games (although non MT based) do seem to launch at the 60 price point, (like mag and socom!) but for a game with the quality and features of DUST, this would likely be a "very bad idea".

Even if the downloaded version was eventually free, I'd count that the boxed version would still have a price because.. well making that stuff consts money.

However, I'm sure that this is a game that you'll see in the "heavily discounted" bin next before too long.

As an addendum: It is weird this close to release, but nobody seems to have an idea about anything regarding Dust (including CCP). Usually, they would have at least a framework with guidelines they would be eagerly distributing to the press to try to give whatever they are doing a "positive" spin (for instance "cover charge" but the game is free, sorta nonsense!)

I have barely seen any coverage, hype, or.. well anything regarding this game at all. (other than here)

Bullyboutya
Minmatar
Taxxon Industrial Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:53:00 - [43]
 

LMAO Who do you thing is going to play Dust the Wii COD crowd lol nope. I've been playing EVE for the last 30 days yes I'm a newb for now. I was play a game called MAG on the PS3(It has the same concept as Dust)Most of that gamer base is adults. Who are Anti COD players the player base for MAG is very team oriented.

The forum on MAG is how I heard of EVE and Dust that's all the talk over there. I'm telling you right now COD, BF, MOH all those shooters I just mentioned have the same concept.

Those players will not play Dust and thank god. The one thing I tell everyone who wants to play EVE is you have to be some type of an intellectual person. Dust will attract teambased players who like having their actions make an effect on the larger scale.

Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.07.11 16:57:00 - [44]
 

I love how people in this thread and in the comments section of the article are appalled that CCP is going to charge money for a game they invested their money into. You people are the greedy ones not CCP. Expecting everything for free? Come on! You buy the game for $20! And then that gets converted to Aurum or ISK where you can buy some tanks and stuff. This game sounds like a deal! Screw paying $60 for Modern Warfare 2 and then fighting the same fights over and over again. I get to buy DUST for $20 and then play in a persistent MMO world where my battles mean something to free? Hell yeah! And if I want to grind less or get some in game advantage I pay some more RL money? I'm ok with that because that is how other F2P work.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:05:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Tippia on 11/07/2011 17:08:52
Originally by: Cloora
I love how people in this thread and in the comments section of the article are appalled that CCP is going to charge money for a game they invested their money into.
They're not. They're just laughing their asses off at CCP calling it "free". Laughing

As someone said in the comments: it's free in the same sense as buying a $13k car is free — sure, you pay $13k, but they throw in a $13k car! Razz

Lord Meriak
Amarr
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:06:00 - [46]
 

It's a trap

Why pay now when it may be free :D to play

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:09:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Cloora
I love how people in this thread and in the comments section of the article are appalled that CCP is going to charge money for a game they invested their money into.
They're not. They're just laughing their asses off that CCP is calling it "free". Laughing


Where did CCP say it was going to be "free"? They said that it was going to initially cost money, and then they might change to a F2P model later if it is to their advantage.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:14:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Where did CCP say it was going to be "free"?
In the fanfest presentations, iirc.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:21:00 - [49]
 

Edited by: Ranger 1 on 11/07/2011 17:21:04
Originally by: Tippia
Edited by: Tippia on 11/07/2011 17:08:52
Originally by: Cloora
I love how people in this thread and in the comments section of the article are appalled that CCP is going to charge money for a game they invested their money into.
They're not. They're just laughing their asses off at CCP calling it "free". Laughing

As someone said in the comments: it's free in the same sense as buying a $13k car is free — sure, you pay $13k, but they throw in a $13k car! Razz


When you buy a car, the car just sits there until you pony up some money for gas. Very Happy

So a more accurate analogy would be that you spend your $13k and get $13k worth of gas. Not quite as silly now eh?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:39:00 - [50]
 

I am simply livid that a game company plans to charge for their game. Having seen many iniquitous and awful things in my life, this is easily the most iniquitousest and awfulish.

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:49:00 - [51]
 

So, we have a $20 initial purchase needed to play the game and they give you $20 worth of Aur. Unless that $20 buys all the gear you need forever (and let's keep in mind that 20 bucks barely buys a skirt in the NeX) you have to pay again and again to remain competitive.

Isn't this the Double-billing Saint Turbefield warned against?

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:54:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Taedrin
Where did CCP say it was going to be "free"?
In the fanfest presentations, iirc.


Ah, that would explain it, I still haven't bothered to watch any of the FF videos.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:01:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
So a more accurate analogy would be that you spend your $13k and get $13k worth of gas. Not quite as silly now eh?
It's still just as silly if someone tries to claim that the gas is free.
Originally by: Mister Smithington
So, we have a $20 initial purchase needed to play the game and they give you $20 worth of Aur. Unless that $20 buys all the gear you need forever (and let's keep in mind that 20 bucks barely buys a skirt in the NeX) you have to pay again and again to remain competitive.

Isn't this the Double-billing Saint Turbefield warned against?
Nah. It's the standard pay-to-play MT business model. What he warned against was trying to do the same to players who already pay a subscription fee.

Langoss
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:03:00 - [54]
 

wot is free -> dust 514 will be fail

Cloora
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:03:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Mister Smithington
So, we have a $20 initial purchase needed to play the game and they give you $20 worth of Aur. Unless that $20 buys all the gear you need forever (and let's keep in mind that 20 bucks barely buys a skirt in the NeX) you have to pay again and again to remain competitive.

Isn't this the Double-billing Saint Turbefield warned against?


Are you paying a subscription fee for Dust? No. That is the F2P model. Some of you must have never played them. I bought DDO and LOTRO when they were sub based games and then they went F2P. Stop complaining and realize CCP ain't a charity they are a business. They HAVE to make money. There is no other reason for a company to exist. But most if you are too immature to have the experiance of running a successful business. Or you just don't get it.

Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:11:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Cloora
Originally by: Mister Smithington
So, we have a $20 initial purchase needed to play the game and they give you $20 worth of Aur. Unless that $20 buys all the gear you need forever (and let's keep in mind that 20 bucks barely buys a skirt in the NeX) you have to pay again and again to remain competitive.

Isn't this the Double-billing Saint Turbefield warned against?


Are you paying a subscription fee for Dust? No. That is the F2P model. Some of you must have never played them. I bought DDO and LOTRO when they were sub based games and then they went F2P. Stop complaining and realize CCP ain't a charity they are a business. They HAVE to make money. There is no other reason for a company to exist. But most if you are too immature to have the experiance of running a successful business. Or you just don't get it.



Eve became profitable at 50k subs. So, having around tripled that number now, they don't HAVE to milk every player for all they're worth. Just sayin.


Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:13:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Nah. It's the standard pay-to-play MT business model. What he warned against was trying to do the same to players who already pay a subscription fee.


It's the standard f2p/p2w model for PC MMOs (although most of those don't have a box cost). I don't think you can translate the model precisely over to consoles. The market is different and the expectations are different.

Subscription-based console games are usually met with resistance in my experience. Most console players expect a box cost and only a box cost. Maybe a few bucks every few months for optional DLC, and those are expected to be expansion worthy (Knights of the Nine for Oblivion, Zombie Island of Dr. Ned for Borderlands).

We'll see how the console crowd reacts when you tell them they have to continue to pay to be competitive in the game they just spent a cover charge on.

ninjaholic
Gallente
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:14:00 - [58]
 

I've been playing Battlefield 2142 and IMHO it's better than Dust514 is gonna be Very Happy

Just me?

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:19:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Cloora

Are you paying a subscription fee for Dust? No. That is the F2P model. Some of you must have never played them. I bought DDO and LOTRO when they were sub based games and then they went F2P. Stop complaining and realize CCP ain't a charity they are a business. They HAVE to make money. There is no other reason for a company to exist. But most if you are too immature to have the experiance of running a successful business. Or you just don't get it.

Your rage is delicious.

I'm well aware CCP is a company. I'm well aware they're here to make money. Although having seen some of their recent business decisions I have to wonder if CCP is aware of that.

I wonder how many superlasers the MT dusters are going to buy when there are no "freeloading spectators" to shoot it at.

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.11 18:20:00 - [60]
 

This is not news, this was announced at e3 a month ago.
Massively


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