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Dilandau Albato
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:39:00 - [1]
 

1st i hat go get my BS.
after i shot like 3 cruisers the 2x number spawned.
16 cruiser... **** every bc. OK OK

2nd only the half agresses - till i put my drones out. they kill them off and dont agress me what so ever.......... wth ? fu........ my drones!

3rd im perma jammed.
2x rival security specialist.
everyone of them got 2 jammer on his f boat....
4*20seconds jam omfg.
if im free to shoot i git like 1minute max till the start again.
and they stay on 34km distance - wth!? why not 50 or 90!! 160speed.. fu again.

4th and than the shields......
great. wth. how i should break tank - without drones. perma jammed.


ok lvl3 - i ever thought thats for BCs... for ppl under 100m isk.
u cant get a lock
u cant bring dps
u cant tank it
u cant use drones
u cant speed tank (thanks to missile boats)
and if a friend jumps in he get agression of the 2nd wave (except u got the fire and ur self and die <3)

i made it after like 20minutes till i got the first jammer ship and than it was pretty "managable" :| [i dont want use eccm in usual missions, if i would want to- i would fly in a incurison to have that kinda fun]


the 3 missions bevor:
kill around 5 frigates 2cruiser + some transporter...

ummm :<
ok? there i just fall asleep and now its like John Rambo wana try to **** me Oo

i kinda smile right now so it was fun..
but i suggest to rethink a LITTLE the way of placing spawns or jammers (if u do it all on the same time) a little :)

Zilor Dragoon
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:43:00 - [2]
 

......

Night Epoch
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:45:00 - [3]
 

I attempted to read and make sense of your post, I really did. It didn't work, but at least I tried.



Xiozor
THE PAROXYSM
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:45:00 - [4]
 

Wat

Also, ECCM works on NPC's now?

Tsukimaru
Amarr
Stargate SG-1
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:47:00 - [5]
 

Why would ECCM not work? All it does is increase your sensor strength.

Xiozor
THE PAROXYSM
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:49:00 - [6]
 

It used to be purely chance based. You could have 4 ECCM's on or none and rats would jam you just as often.

Was a while back mind.

General Xenophon
Posted - 2011.07.11 01:03:00 - [7]
 

CCP happens to think that making the rats more 'challenging' means giving the AI the ability to not follow any of the same ship rules players have to follow, aka being jammed and locked from over 200km by npc bs.

It's broken, but CCP is too busy playing Eve marketing and station-show-barbie to care.

Red zeon
Caldari
Sacred Templars
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2011.07.11 01:11:00 - [8]
 

take the drake, youl be able to tank it, and switch to fof missiles and theyl do the work while your jammed

:)

Digital Messiah
Gallente
N7 Corporation
PandaMonium.
Posted - 2011.07.11 01:36:00 - [9]
 

CCP is just trying to make caldari less appealing to make minmatar favorite for pve as well. Very Happy

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:04:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Red zeon
take the drake, youl be able to tank it, and switch to fof missiles and theyl do the work while your jammed

:)


Yup thats what I do with a Drake or my NH, i reload to FoF and hit fire and sit back and have a nice cold drink. But thats assuming for some reason I did not shoot those EWAR ships down as top priority for some odd reason. Which I don't recall ever not doing since I started.

Cedar Locus
Posted - 2011.07.17 23:54:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Xiozor
It used to be purely chance based. You could have 4 ECCM's on or none and rats would jam you just as often.

Was a while back mind.


this is false, eccm does work

Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.07.18 00:09:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 18/07/2011 00:10:21
Originally by: Cedar Locus
Originally by: Xiozor
It used to be purely chance based. You could have 4 ECCM's on or none and rats would jam you just as often.

Was a while back mind.


this is false, eccm does work

Yeah it was chance based until not too long ago :)


Quote:
Patch Notes Build 237081 to 246350 addresses Patch Notes for Incursion 1.4

All NPCs that use jamming have been streamlined in functionality and you can now fit your ship to counteract them.

SilentSkills
Gallente
Tax Evaders Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.18 00:16:00 - [13]
 

whaaa?

Lady Spank
Amarr
In Praise Of Shadows
Posted - 2011.07.18 00:22:00 - [14]
 

I got to the part where you shot the triggers first then let your drones die.

Naomi Wildfire
Amarr
Spricer
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.07.18 01:26:00 - [15]
 

oh forgot to say: Dont fly caldari missions if you dont wanna encounter jammers

Arabeth
Posted - 2011.07.18 01:43:00 - [16]
 

Erm... Stuff can I haz? This don't what is I even... eh.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.07.18 01:48:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: General Xenophon
CCP happens to think that making the rats more 'challenging' means giving the AI the ability to not follow any of the same ship rules players have to follow, aka being jammed and locked from over 200km by npc bs.



There are these things called "scorpion".

Johannes Alexodia
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.18 01:51:00 - [18]
 

English... what. I think you basically said you warped into a mission and got owned. If so I suggest you get a better ship. A drake perhaps.

Noceur-01 Tiers
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.18 02:15:00 - [19]
 

Well I had this problem once in a mission as well, I just warped in and out until they were all dead... If I could manage in a Harbinger with ****fit then you should be capable also I believe...

Jacob Holland
Gallente
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
Posted - 2011.07.18 03:02:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Naomi Wildfire
Edited by: Naomi Wildfire on 18/07/2011 00:10:21
Originally by: Cedar Locus
Originally by: Xiozor
It used to be purely chance based. You could have 4 ECCM's on or none and rats would jam you just as often.

Was a while back mind.


this is false, eccm does work

Yeah it was chance based until not too long ago :)


Quote:
Patch Notes Build 237081 to 246350 addresses Patch Notes for Incursion 1.4

All NPCs that use jamming have been streamlined in functionality and you can now fit your ship to counteract them.



Evidence suggests that it functioned on Player rules long before that (and therefore that ECCM...etc worked long before that).
Last I heard the evidence suggests that the change was from a chance of firing the ECM to using it constantly.

Bootleg Jack
Potters Field
Posted - 2011.07.18 03:58:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Dilandau Albato
1st i hat go get my BS.
after i shot like 3 cruisers the 2x number spawned.
16 cruiser... **** every bc. OK OK

2nd only the half agresses - till i put my drones out. they kill them off and dont agress me what so ever.......... wth ? fu........ my drones!

3rd im perma jammed.
2x rival security specialist.
everyone of them got 2 jammer on his f boat....
4*20seconds jam omfg.
if im free to shoot i git like 1minute max till the start again.
and they stay on 34km distance - wth!? why not 50 or 90!! 160speed.. fu again.

4th and than the shields......
great. wth. how i should break tank - without drones. perma jammed.


ok lvl3 - i ever thought thats for BCs... for ppl under 100m isk.
u cant get a lock
u cant bring dps
u cant tank it
u cant use drones
u cant speed tank (thanks to missile boats)
and if a friend jumps in he get agression of the 2nd wave (except u got the fire and ur self and die <3)

i made it after like 20minutes till i got the first jammer ship and than it was pretty "managable" :| [i dont want use eccm in usual missions, if i would want to- i would fly in a incurison to have that kinda fun]


the 3 missions bevor:
kill around 5 frigates 2cruiser + some transporter...

ummm :<
ok? there i just fall asleep and now its like John Rambo wana try to **** me Oo

i kinda smile right now so it was fun..
but i suggest to rethink a LITTLE the way of placing spawns or jammers (if u do it all on the same time) a little :)



Monocle malfunction...Laughing

Ava n'Daara
Posted - 2011.07.18 05:21:00 - [22]
 

Use eve-survival's mission reports so you don't hit triggers until you're ready.

Don't launch drones unless you have full-room aggro or can recall them quickly.

Set drones to aggressive if you're perma jammed and recall them until they target the jammers on release.

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.18 06:31:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Cedar Locus
Originally by: Xiozor
It used to be purely chance based. You could have 4 ECCM's on or none and rats would jam you just as often.

Was a while back mind.


this is false, eccm does work


Interesting - only a couple of weeks back I was getting permajammed in a mission so I fitted a shed load of ECCM to my boat. Got jammed. Increased the number of ECCM modules, returned and still got permajammed from around 40 / 50k. Left convinced that NPCs were outside of the game mechanics - for that mission at least.


FoF and drones are the answer though. It's frustrating for the gamer who wants mission $$ + bonus but sometimes you have to adapt.

Tautut
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.18 06:50:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ava n'Daara
Use eve-survival's mission reports so you don't hit triggers until you're ready.

Don't launch drones unless you have full-room aggro or can recall them quickly.

Set drones to aggressive if you're perma jammed and recall them until they target the jammers on release.


I hate this trigger game mechanic .. having to look up the trigger or check each of the rats for the highest bounty. Silly silly silly. It makes more sense to me to spawn the next wave on a percentage reduction basis - so when the rat cloud gets somewhere near 25%, it sends the distress call. Perhaps then you get a countdown before the next spawn warps in so you have a chance to deal with the current wave first.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.18 06:59:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Tautut
Interesting - only a couple of weeks back I was getting permajammed in a mission so I fitted a shed load of ECCM to my boat. Got jammed. Increased the number of ECCM modules, returned and still got permajammed from around 40 / 50k. Left convinced that NPCs were outside of the game mechanics - for that mission at least.

number of jamming NPCs in missions has been reduced since a couple of weeks ago

Aggressive Nutmeg
Posted - 2011.07.18 07:53:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Dilandau Albato
1st i hat go get my BS.
after i shot like 3 cruisers the 2x number spawned.
16 cruiser... **** every bc. OK OK

2nd only the half agresses - till i put my drones out. they kill them off and dont agress me what so ever.......... wth ? fu........ my drones!

3rd im perma jammed.
2x rival security specialist.
everyone of them got 2 jammer on his f boat....
4*20seconds jam omfg.
if im free to shoot i git like 1minute max till the start again.
and they stay on 34km distance - wth!? why not 50 or 90!! 160speed.. fu again.

4th and than the shields......
great. wth. how i should break tank - without drones. perma jammed.


ok lvl3 - i ever thought thats for BCs... for ppl under 100m isk.
u cant get a lock
u cant bring dps
u cant tank it
u cant use drones
u cant speed tank (thanks to missile boats)
and if a friend jumps in he get agression of the 2nd wave (except u got the fire and ur self and die <3)

i made it after like 20minutes till i got the first jammer ship and than it was pretty "managable" :| [i dont want use eccm in usual missions, if i would want to- i would fly in a incurison to have that kinda fun]


the 3 missions bevor:
kill around 5 frigates 2cruiser + some transporter...

ummm :<
ok? there i just fall asleep and now its like John Rambo wana try to **** me Oo

i kinda smile right now so it was fun..
but i suggest to rethink a LITTLE the way of placing spawns or jammers (if u do it all on the same time) a little :)



Some form of Pidgin English?

Me give you clue... Getzem Drake... den getzem FOF... den u do lvl4s jamz no trubz...

Naran Eto
Posted - 2011.07.18 09:18:00 - [27]
 

I had this last night, got half way through the mission and they started jamming, 16 minutes later i hadn't had a single lock, finaly and managed two missile salvo's before i was jammed again for another 17 minutes. Absolutely ridiculous imo.

Wa'roun
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.18 09:22:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ava n'Daara
Use eve-survival's mission reports so you don't hit triggers until you're ready.

Don't launch drones unless you have full-room aggro or can recall them quickly.

Set drones to aggressive if you're perma jammed and recall them until they target the jammers on release.


Eve Survival has been down for a week.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.18 10:10:00 - [29]
 

Tengu with Dissolution Sequencer and Talon set. Getting jammed is for scrubs.

Cpt Greagor
Caldari
Liquid Relief
Posted - 2011.07.18 10:26:00 - [30]
 

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?



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