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Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.09 16:30:00 - [1]
 

Ok, I am about to smack my forehead because once again I finished an Epic Mission Arc and once again did I not receive any faction reward to the appropriate faction that I was supporting by the end of the arc. And once again did the GM have no idea what I was petitioning about and ruled against the outcome of the last petition.Rolling Eyes

Could we please have a senior GM or somebody like it come out and spell it out (in big letters if possible) if you do receive a faction reward for completing any of the ending missions for the epic arcs, and if that is case, what faction rewards are you supposed to get?

I will refer to the Dominion patch notes which are the only source of an answer but apparently not enough.
Originally by: Dominion Patch Notes, Fixes, Agents & Missions
All existent Epic Arcs, Blood Stained Stars, Penumbra, Right to Rule, Syndication, and Wilfire, will now provide faction standing bonuses associated with the chosen ending upon completion.


I want it in a public post here on the forums so I have somewhere to link the GM next tiem it happens... and of course for everybody else to know too. I bet a lot of people are being cheated out of these rewards.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.09 16:47:00 - [2]
 

Hell, I will make it easy; I will list all the ending mission of the current epic arcs and the senior GM simple has to state which faction you will receive reward from by completing that mission or if you will receive no faction rewards at all.

SOE Epic Arc "The Blood Stained Stars"
  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Brus Colterne (Gallente))

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Kitar Ang (Minmatar))

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Adani Yusev (Caldari))

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Lear Evanus (Amarr))


Angel Epic Arc "Angel Song"
  • Fear of Angels


Guristas Epic Arc "Smash and Grab"
  • Passing the Buck

  • Spy Games



Amarr Epic Arc "Right to Rule"
  • The Right to Rule

  • Regal Replacement


Caldari Epic Arc "Penumbra"
  • Across the Line

  • Home in Peace

  • The Price of Silence


Gallente Epic Arc "Syndication"
  • Everybody Has a Price

  • Safe Return


Minmatar Epic Arc "Wildfire"
  • Retraction

  • Revelation

Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 16:59:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Ok, I am about to smack my forehead because once again I finished an Epic Mission Arc and once again did I not receive any faction reward to the appropriate faction that I was supporting by the end of the arc. And once again did the GM have no idea what I was petitioning about and ruled against the outcome of the last petition.
Escalate the petition.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.09 17:06:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mintala Arana
Escalate the petition.
Every single time? No thanks. I rather want some clarification for everybody on this matter as it is apparently a foggy area (as can be deducted from comments in this thread).

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2011.07.09 17:07:00 - [5]
 

I can look this up. Let me sort it out rather than a petition. Quicker and easier for all involved to get it from the source. I'll try to have those details on Monday. Smile

Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 17:12:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Mintala Arana on 09/07/2011 17:13:03
Yay CCP Dropbear! Very Happy

@Jowen: Petitioning (or escalating) one makes sense. If you want all of them at the same time, then Dropbear is your answer. Smile And it's not like others aren't curious, too.

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.09 17:12:00 - [7]
 

Super, Dropbear. It was my hope that you would pick up on this.Smile

Qalix
Posted - 2011.07.09 22:00:00 - [8]
 

I <3 dropbear. Best bear.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.10 01:01:00 - [9]
 

Jowen Datloran, thanks. This definitely needs some clarification.

Might even be a good idea to have the GM's who handle the petitions place a 'Sticky' note with links to the correct information next to their computer screens.

Jowen Datloran, sorry for including this in your thread.



CCP Dropbear, please also clarify Multi-Part Storyline Mission Expire Timers.

Quite a while back ago, patch notes stated that multi part storyline missions had their expire timer set to 30 days instead of the usual 1 week to complete.

How many parts (minimum amount) in the storyline mission for it to be included in the 30 day timer group?

Is the 30 day completion timer good for all parts of the multi part storyline mission or just the very first part?


If that 30 day timer is only good on part 1 of the multi part storyline missions, that leaves no time to complete the rest of the mission series. I myself, as well as others, have had the 10 part 'Strike' mission series (Kidnappers Strike, Guristas Strike, etc) almost completed when after 1 week the series is automatically removed from the journal. The last few missions in the series take a long time to complete with the very last part being the 'Important Storyline Mission'.

Thanks,


DMC

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2011.07.11 15:53:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: CCP Dropbear on 11/07/2011 15:53:11
Originally by: Jowen Datloran


SOE Epic Arc "The Blood Stained Stars"
  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Brus Colterne (Gallente)) +7% Gallente

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Kitar Ang (Minmatar)) +7% Minmatar

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Adani Yusev (Caldari)) +7% Caldari

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Lear Evanus (Amarr)) +7% Amarr


Angel Epic Arc "Angel Song"
  • Fear of Angels +30% Angels


Guristas Epic Arc "Smash and Grab"
  • Passing the Buck +30% Guristas

  • Spy Games +30% Guristas



Amarr Epic Arc "Right to Rule"
  • The Right to Rule +10% Amarr

  • Regal Replacement +10% Sansha's Nation


Caldari Epic Arc "Penumbra"
  • Across the Line +10% Caldari

  • Home in Peace +10% Caldari

  • The Price of Silence +10% Caldari


Gallente Epic Arc "Syndication"
  • Everybody Has a Price +10% Syndicate

  • Safe Return +10% Gallente


Minmatar Epic Arc "Wildfire"
  • Retraction +5% Minmatar

  • Revelation +10% Minmatar


Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:47:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
... I myself, as well as others, have had the 10 part 'Strike' mission series (Kidnappers Strike, Guristas Strike, etc) almost completed when after 1 week the series is automatically removed from the journal. The last few missions in the series take a long time to complete with the very last part being the 'Important Storyline Mission'.
DeMichael, I realize this isn't going to be all that helpful, but I think you're doing something wrong. As a noob, the first time I hit that series of missions it probably took me three or four days to run all of them, running 2-3 an evening. Now? Probably between 90 minutes and 2 hours in a HAC. No way should it take more than 7 days.

Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.11 17:49:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: CCP Dropbear
... great stuff ...
Thanks!

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.11 19:18:00 - [13]
 

Love you long time, Dropbear. Nice to see you pulling through on your promise. I will certainly bookmark this thread for further reference.

Though, if I may ask, was it in the original plans that "Home in Peace" should reward the same standing increase as the two other endings, considering that, unlike the two others, it gives no item as special reward? I am maybe missing the incitement for choosing that ending, unless the incitement is that the mission is easier and quicker to complete than the other two. It just does not add up when I look at the endings of the Minmatar epic arc.

For you readers I would like to remind you, that the standings Dropbear posted are the base rewards unmodified by your Social skill level.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.11 19:41:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 11/07/2011 20:08:53


Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Edited by: CCP Dropbear on 11/07/2011 15:53:11
Originally by: Jowen Datloran


SOE Epic Arc "The Blood Stained Stars"
  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Brus Colterne (Gallente)) +7% Gallente

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Kitar Ang (Minmatar)) +7% Minmatar

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Adani Yusev (Caldari)) +7% Caldari

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Lear Evanus (Amarr)) +7% Amarr


Angel Epic Arc "Angel Song"
  • Fear of Angels +30% Angels


Guristas Epic Arc "Smash and Grab"
  • Passing the Buck +30% Guristas

  • Spy Games +30% Guristas



Amarr Epic Arc "Right to Rule"
  • The Right to Rule +10% Amarr

  • Regal Replacement +10% Sansha's Nation


Caldari Epic Arc "Penumbra"
  • Across the Line +10% Caldari

  • Home in Peace +10% Caldari

  • The Price of Silence +10% Caldari


Gallente Epic Arc "Syndication"
  • Everybody Has a Price +10% Syndicate

  • Safe Return +10% Gallente


Minmatar Epic Arc "Wildfire"
  • Retraction +5% Minmatar

  • Revelation +10% Minmatar




I'm sorry but this has to be incorrect.

I've completed the SoE level 1 Epic Arc once for Minmatar, once for Amarr, twice for Gallente and have received +8.75% Faction standing each time ever since it was first introduced into the game. I've also had other players post in the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' that they too got that same amount.

Also players have posted in the 'Plan' that they received +12.00% Faction standing for completing the level 4 Empire Epic Arcs.

The level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs have been reported as giving at least +30.00% Faction standing.

These amounts were posted in Dev Blogs and I think also in the patch notes as well when they were introduced. The level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs was said to give over +31.00% Faction standing with max Social skills trained.

The amounts I listed could be due to having max Social skills trained but I doubt it very much since most players only had mid to high level Social skills trained (Not maxed). I'm sure CCP must have some records showing the amounts that were given in the past. If I have to search through all Dev Blogs, patch notes and players posted results in this Forum to prove this, I will.

If the amount of Faction standing gain you posted is now the current max amount, then any players who complete any of these Epic Arcs from now on are getting ripped off compared to other players who had completed those Epic Arcs in the past.

This info is very disturbing to say the least. Not to mention it makes CCP look bad and is unfair to players who complete these Epic Arcs in the future.

DMC

Evil or Very Mad

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.11 19:54:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 11/07/2011 20:06:31

Originally by: Jowen Datloran

For you readers I would like to remind you, that the standings Dropbear posted are the base rewards unmodified by your Social skill level.


I'm sorry but that seems incorrect.

In the past the level 1 and the level 4 Epic Arcs gave a specific set amount of Faction standing gain regardless of the Social skills trained. Especially the level 1 Epic Arc since new players are quickly directed to it right after completing 1 or more of the 5 different Career Agent missions.



CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2011.07.11 21:32:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Jowen Datloran
Though, if I may ask, was it in the original plans that "Home in Peace" should reward the same standing increase as the two other endings, considering that, unlike the two others, it gives no item as special reward? I am maybe missing the incitement for choosing that ending, unless the incitement is that the mission is easier and quicker to complete than the other two. It just does not add up when I look at the endings of the Minmatar epic arc.

For you readers I would like to remind you, that the standings Dropbear posted are the base rewards unmodified by your Social skill level.


I noticed the same thing when putting the numbers together and made a note to check it out.

Also, you are correct, they are base standings. Higher levels of the Social skill will raise the standings reward.

CCP Dropbear

Posted - 2011.07.11 21:36:00 - [17]
 

DMC: I don't think this has ever changed. Base standings have always been affected by Social skills. I can double check tomorrow, but I'm pretty sure about it. The base standings themselves may have changed in some places, but again I don't think so (with the possible exception of the Caldari arc, which is odd).

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.11 22:07:00 - [18]
 

My observations agree with Dropbear; when I raised my Social skill from 4 to 5 my standing reward for completing an epic arc went from 12% (10*1.2%) to 12.5% (10*1.25%).

Same thing with the SOE arc.

Katellin
Posted - 2011.07.11 23:59:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
I've completed the SoE level 1 Epic Arc once for Minmatar, once for Amarr, twice for Gallente and have received +8.75% Faction standing each time ever since it was first introduced into the game.

Also players have posted in the 'Plan' that they received +12.00% Faction standing for completing the level 4 Empire Epic Arcs.

The level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs have been reported as giving at least +30.00% Faction standing.


Checked back on my recent completion of the Angel arc and I recieved 34.5 increase. I have social 3 so 30 * 1.15 = 34.5.

Also,

SOE - 7 * 1.25 (for social 5) = 8.75
LVL 4 - 10 * 1.2 (for social 4) = 12

Those values look to be pretty much ok if you take social skills into account.

syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2011.07.12 01:53:00 - [20]
 

Surely someone could put this together on the Evelopedia in a table with the social skills. Make it all that much more official.

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.12 05:58:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 13/07/2011 02:39:56



OK, seems I was mistaken then.

Sad

I apologize for my reaction. Thank you CCP Dropbear for posting these (Base) Faction standing amounts.


DMC


DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.13 02:42:00 - [22]
 

CCP Dropbear, could you please take a look at the Evelopedia page http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Talk:Epic_mission_arcs and then add the information you think is appropriate to the main page?

Thanks.


DMC

Lady Aja
Posted - 2011.07.13 03:47:00 - [23]
 

well i certainly did NOT get a +30% from the last angel cartel epic arc.
This modification was performed directly by GM Intervention. The reason specified was: 10-(10-(-5.11471769429))*(1-((30)/100)
i got a WHOLE 5.114% faction increase.

will make sure next time i get 30% not a **** my ass 5%

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Edited by: DeMichael Crimson on 11/07/2011 20:08:53


Originally by: CCP Dropbear
Edited by: CCP Dropbear on 11/07/2011 15:53:11
Originally by: Jowen Datloran


SOE Epic Arc "The Blood Stained Stars"
  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Brus Colterne (Gallente)) +7% Gallente

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Kitar Ang (Minmatar)) +7% Minmatar

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Adani Yusev (Caldari)) +7% Caldari

  • Dal Segno al Fine (as handed out by the agent Lear Evanus (Amarr)) +7% Amarr


Angel Epic Arc "Angel Song"
  • Fear of Angels +30% Angels


Guristas Epic Arc "Smash and Grab"
  • Passing the Buck +30% Guristas

  • Spy Games +30% Guristas



Amarr Epic Arc "Right to Rule"
  • The Right to Rule +10% Amarr

  • Regal Replacement +10% Sansha's Nation


Caldari Epic Arc "Penumbra"
  • Across the Line +10% Caldari

  • Home in Peace +10% Caldari

  • The Price of Silence +10% Caldari


Gallente Epic Arc "Syndication"
  • Everybody Has a Price +10% Syndicate

  • Safe Return +10% Gallente


Minmatar Epic Arc "Wildfire"
  • Retraction +5% Minmatar

  • Revelation +10% Minmatar




I'm sorry but this has to be incorrect.

I've completed the SoE level 1 Epic Arc once for Minmatar, once for Amarr, twice for Gallente and have received +8.75% Faction standing each time ever since it was first introduced into the game. I've also had other players post in the 'Faction Standing Repair Plan' that they too got that same amount.

Also players have posted in the 'Plan' that they received +12.00% Faction standing for completing the level 4 Empire Epic Arcs.

The level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs have been reported as giving at least +30.00% Faction standing.

These amounts were posted in Dev Blogs and I think also in the patch notes as well when they were introduced. The level 3 Pirate Epic Arcs was said to give over +31.00% Faction standing with max Social skills trained.

The amounts I listed could be due to having max Social skills trained but I doubt it very much since most players only had mid to high level Social skills trained (Not maxed). I'm sure CCP must have some records showing the amounts that were given in the past. If I have to search through all Dev Blogs, patch notes and players posted results in this Forum to prove this, I will.

If the amount of Faction standing gain you posted is now the current max amount, then any players who complete any of these Epic Arcs from now on are getting ripped off compared to other players who had completed those Epic Arcs in the past.

This info is very disturbing to say the least. Not to mention it makes CCP look bad and is unfair to players who complete these Epic Arcs in the future.

DMC

Evil or Very Mad

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.13 08:21:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 13/07/2011 08:22:03
Originally by: Lady Aja
well i certainly did NOT get a +30% from the last angel cartel epic arc.
This modification was performed directly by GM Intervention. The reason specified was: 10-(10-(-5.11471769429))*(1-((30)/100)
i got a WHOLE 5.114% faction increase.

will make sure next time i get 30% not a **** my ass 5%



Ahem, what standing did you have with the Angel Cartel faction before completing the epic arc?

In our talk about base standing increase we are not taking into account the diminishing effect on effective standing increase that happens when you get closer to +10.0.

Captain Brickwalle
Posted - 2011.07.13 11:33:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Lady Aja
well i certainly did NOT get a +30% from the last angel cartel epic arc.
This modification was performed directly by GM Intervention. The reason specified was: 10-(10-(-5.11471769429))*(1-((30)/100)
i got a WHOLE 5.114% faction increase.

will make sure next time i get 30% not a **** my ass 5%



highlighted where you were wrong about the +30 base
The reason specified was: 10-(10-(-5.11471769429))*(1-((*****30*****)/100)

Tester128
Fremen Sietch
DarkSide.
Posted - 2011.07.13 12:24:00 - [26]
 

Dropbear, could you clarify a bit while you are here
At the introduction of the epic arcs there was a possibility to share the faction standing boost with a fleet.
About a month after the introduction of the caldari and amarr arcs it stopped working and when the arc was finished for fleet nobody got the standing boost. The boost was only avaliable through a petition.
Some time later the issue seemed to be fixed and at least in may 2011 the faction standing boost was applied correctly both for single char and for fleet (in the later case you had to relog to see the correct standing).
What is the current situation and was the faction standing boost supposed to be shared with a fleet in the first place?

bushwacka
Posted - 2011.07.13 21:53:00 - [27]
 

at least for me, the current situation is that i did the angel epic arc with 3 toons today, 2 of them shared rewards in fleet with another guy respectively, one didn't and NONE of those 5 in total received any faction standings. relogged, cleared cache, downtime passed, still nothing. the rest of the reward sharing (isk, agent/corp standing sharing is working fine btw)

DeMichael Crimson
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2011.07.14 03:36:00 - [28]
 

Looks like CCP is done with this thread.

Crying or Very sad



Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.07.14 16:54:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: DeMichael Crimson
Looks like CCP is done with this thread.

Crying or Very sad






LaughingLaughingLaughing

Lady Aja
Posted - 2011.07.14 21:05:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Captain Brickwalle
Originally by: Lady Aja
well i certainly did NOT get a +30% from the last angel cartel epic arc.
This modification was performed directly by GM Intervention. The reason specified was: 10-(10-(-5.11471769429))*(1-((30)/100)
i got a WHOLE 5.114% faction increase.

will make sure next time i get 30% not a **** my ass 5%



highlighted where you were wrong about the +30 base
The reason specified was: 10-(10-(-5.11471769429))*(1-((*****30*****)/100)


rather large drop from 37.3094% i got 1st time.


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