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Kusanagi Kasuga
Posted - 2011.07.09 00:21:00 - [361]
 

Edited by: Kusanagi Kasuga on 09/07/2011 00:31:14
Edited by: Kusanagi Kasuga on 09/07/2011 00:23:18
Originally by: Ephemeral Waves
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel

Any questions?


When do we get the conventional - and actually functional - hanger view back?

This.

Also - make the items destroyable and with a low-chance drop rate (5-10%)
Reduce the price/provide multiple items if you think it necessary to balance.

Quote:

losing them may cause reduced emotional attachment to Eve Online.


EVE does not produce emotional attachment through permanence - it produces emotional attachment through the effort required in achieving something, and provides emotional feedback by the fragility of those achievements.
In EVE, when you screw up, you suffer - as a result, you strive to be better.

This invulnerable stuff is not EVE.

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.09 00:39:00 - [362]
 

CCP clearly doesn't understand what micro-transactions are, and why they work.

CCP seems have have its mind set on going with macro-transactions, which are completely different. The items offered have to be really spectacular even at the lowest tier to even be considered at those prices.

Shaera Taam
Minmatar
Minmatar Death Squad
Broken Chains Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.09 01:07:00 - [363]
 

yeah, color me silly for thinking that paying 3-4 plex for virtual clothes is too much, nevermind how much isk i have...

o well, if i dont like it, i dont have to buy it, right?

Vaughn Baychimo
Posted - 2011.07.09 01:13:00 - [364]
 

I just bought a few monocles.

You see me rollin' - you be hatin'

Teranul
Posted - 2011.07.09 01:39:00 - [365]
 

Edited by: Teranul on 09/07/2011 01:42:21
I just have to ask -

What is the point of having these items tradeable on the open market if very few of them are cheaper than the cost of a single plex?

As long as such items cost more than a plex, nobody's going to bother buying them direct from other players as they can get around the markup simply by buying the plex and converting it themselves. And nobody's going to sell clothing for less than it cost to buy them, I mean, seriously, EVE's economy is the very opposite of a charity, y'know.

So, in other words, the lack of granularity makes trading clothing utterly pointless except in the most extremely cheap cases. I think this is quite, quite wrong. I also think you seem to not understand what the "micro" in "micro transaction" actually means...


By the way, why is it that the tank tops in that little clothing preview show breasts smaller than the current minimum size? Hmmm? Are you guys going to revert it back to the old minimum size? Because I would greatly appreciate that...


Edit: Oh, and how the hell do you justify paying 1.2 billion ISK for a set of clothing? Seriously, that's a load of nonsense. There's absolutely no way I can maintain my immersion with prices like that.

MeBiatch
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:14:00 - [366]
 

Edited by: MeBiatch on 09/07/2011 02:14:55
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.



this made me oh so very happy... any idea on an eta for it?

Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar
Mactabilis Simplex Cursus
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:29:00 - [367]
 

WTS/WTT small fleet of 10-15 republic fleet tempest's for pair of MEGA ULTRA SOCKS OF AWESOME so i can win this game...

Thank you CCP for making this game so immerse and not MT piece of donkey crap.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:29:00 - [368]
 

Originally by: MeBiatch
Edited by: MeBiatch on 09/07/2011 02:14:55
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.



this made me oh so very happy... any idea on an eta for it?


Don't be happy... If they roll it out bpc for these things at some point it just means that they will introduce ship/mod bpc that you can only get through the money store....... Imagine when they roll out new T3 ships---welp folks sorry but you can only get the component bpc with Aurum.. You liked being able to buy clothes bpc so we know you will love buying new ship bpcs here too!

Nathan Omarr
Amarr
Prototype Securities
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:37:00 - [369]
 

Is it just me or is clothing now just as expensive as, say, a battleship in eve now? Confused

XIRUSPHERE
Gallente
Deadly Intent.
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:58:00 - [370]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: MeBiatch
Edited by: MeBiatch on 09/07/2011 02:14:55
Originally by: CCP Zinfandel
It takes a lot more work to be able to make a system where the players can make the goods. We will do it. We want that very much. But it's going to take time. All of these goods are going to be a lot more fun if they are being made by players.



this made me oh so very happy... any idea on an eta for it?


Don't be happy... If they roll it out bpc for these things at some point it just means that they will introduce ship/mod bpc that you can only get through the money store....... Imagine when they roll out new T3 ships---welp folks sorry but you can only get the component bpc with Aurum.. You liked being able to buy clothes bpc so we know you will love buying new ship bpcs here too!


How do you think the ships that won the contest are going to roll out?

Lenore Leelu
Posted - 2011.07.09 04:04:00 - [371]
 

Originally by: Dsnakes
Originally by: AnzacPaul
Can I ask how it is justified in the Eve universe that a "budget" outfit costs as much as 3 fitted battleships?

Where is the logic in this?

Just wait for them to think about make you pay for breast implants and enjoy a single boob for the price of a MS :P


But wait! They have already given us a free unwanted boob job! Will they charge us to give us back our A cups? (and yes small boobs are pretty mkay!)

Tutskii
Posted - 2011.07.09 04:04:00 - [372]
 

I noticed that there was no answer to the feedback after the first page or so.

What gives? I see plenty of quality questions!

mechtech
SRS Industries
SRS.
Posted - 2011.07.09 04:12:00 - [373]
 

Originally by: Sri Nova
I'm disappointed that player crafting does not appear to be apart of this new system.


Seriously... There was some serious industry potential here. At least a minigame like system like PI.

Well as long as shops in stations aren't rented with Aurum/RL $$ I'll be satisfied. I'm getting a sinking feeling that potential gameplay features (like renting out stores, buying and selling investment properties, ect) might just get micro-transactions shoehorned into them.

Back on topic, IMO the prices are about 2x too high.

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.07.09 04:41:00 - [374]
 

Edited by: Written Word on 09/07/2011 04:59:19
Seriously

F*ck you guys. F*ck you for making them indestructible. F*ck anybody who made it possible for them to be indestructible.

Being indestructibility doesn't belong in EVE. Remember risk/reward, don't undock what you can't afford to lose?

Livinia Koi
Wrecking Shots
Posted - 2011.07.09 04:57:00 - [375]
 

These prices are ridiculous. The low-tier is 1 PLEX? What the f*** are you thinking? They're called MICRO-transactions. I could see myself dropping one or two dollars on something cool, but now I know I will never spend any money in the NeX store.

God you guys are stupid.

Myshella Drake
Caldari
Omega Exploration And Reclaimation
Posted - 2011.07.09 05:06:00 - [376]
 

Originally by: mechtech

Well as long as shops in stations aren't rented with Aurum/RL $$ I'll be satisfied. I'm getting a sinking feeling that potential gameplay features (like renting out stores, buying and selling investment properties, ect) might just get micro-transactions shoehorned into them.



Im pretty sure they will integrate Aurum into owning our own establishments. Maybe not in the base rent but definitely for customizing them in any meaningful way. Want some better furniture or a new intractable npc, youll be paying Aurum for it or a ludicrous amount of isk. CCPs current stance makes this pretty much a given.

Tarinara
Posted - 2011.07.09 05:35:00 - [377]
 

Originally by: Written Word
Edited by: Written Word on 09/07/2011 04:59:19
Seriously

F*ck you guys. F*ck you for making them indestructible. F*ck anybody who made it possible for them to be indestructible.

Being indestructibility doesn't belong in EVE. Remember risk/reward, don't undock what you can't afford to lose?

It might have something to do with the risk/reward of CCP having customers who spend real world money charging that purchase back on their credit card. Too many charge backs and CCP runs the risk of loosing their merchant account.

Almost any MMO which has a cash shop that sells items ( with the exception of consumables such as ammo, etc. ) does so in a manner were the items aren't destroyed by other players or are lootable/stealable. No matter how many layers of dollars to PLEX to Aurum CCP goes through - there still may be real world consequences to a merchant when customers money somehow goes *poof* in a video or computer game.

I've never read anything definitive on the subject, but my guess would be a credit card company siding with the consumer on the issue. Especially with the hundreds of dollars CCP is expecting us to pay for their 'designer japanese jeans'...

Pytria Le'Danness
Posted - 2011.07.09 05:43:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: Shaera Taam
o well, if i dont like it, i dont have to buy it, right?


However even if you don't buy the stuff P will assign designers and coders to implement more stuff, taking them away from more interesting things, like, building spaceships for a spaceship game. That's why I hope the NEx store fails and the assets allocated to making $1000 jeans return to the stuff I pay the m for with my subscription.

Morgan Polaris
Posted - 2011.07.09 05:58:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: mechtech

Well as long as shops in stations aren't rented with Aurum/RL $$ I'll be satisfied. I'm getting a sinking feeling that potential gameplay features (like renting out stores, buying and selling investment properties, ect) might just get micro-transactions shoehorned into them.



Im pretty sure they will integrate Aurum into owning our own establishments. Maybe not in the base rent but definitely for customizing them in any meaningful way. Want some better furniture or a new intractable npc, youll be paying Aurum for it or a ludicrous amount of isk. CCPs current stance makes this pretty much a given.


They will, at which point MT are giving you an in-game advantage. CCP is hoping that if it's not in the space-game, people won't notice.

Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 07:24:00 - [380]
 

Originally by: Pytria Le'Danness
Originally by: Jada Maroo

Congratulations, CCP, you managed to make a feature I was enthusiastic about, Incarna, into something I wish would just go away. Zin, you're just clueless about how to make a game enjoyable, you know that?

Seriously, your participation in it has just sucked the fun right out of this whole expansion.


This too. I was really excited about Incarna, but since it got turned into a cheap vehicle whoring NEx garbage I'd rather see the art people work on redesigning space ships. At least I will not get ripped off by hull changes - at least not until a marketing goon at P realizes they could sell the new hulls for 98765432 aurum.



Yep, +1 to that feeling.

Yesterday I read the blog, logged in, looked at the NEx for the "new stuff", couldn't find any "new stuff" (Rolling Eyes), then carefully browsed the items and considered seriously how much would take to dress my main... and then that was it, the last ember of hope was cold.

CCP already have made up their mind, and once the NEx turns a failure, there will be so many people to reimburse of their Aurums if prices change that there will be no turning back. NEx, alas, has managed to be born dead as a broken feature (and yet another one...).

That on top of Incarna becoming some useless booster dealing crap pretty much kills my interest in it and makes me wonder:

"What is CCP going to do for me so I keep paying to play their game?"

"Nothing", is my guess. And that's a shame.

Coco Caine
Posted - 2011.07.09 08:04:00 - [381]
 

Even with a full clothing set for 1 PLEX the prices in the NEX are very much out of sync with other in-game items. The mechanism 'PLEX for AUR' totally lacks a consistent lore background. Also, where's the 20 ISK stone-washed jeans made by slave kids in Shuria?

Also I can only repeat that I want to play Eve, means 'earn' items through in-game efforts. I'm affluent enough in RL to buy any character/ship combination through PLEX for ISK if I wished so, but I'm not doing this, because it would shortcut the game experience and ultimately render the items worthless to me.

For me it's about experiencing a science fiction story book. Now you added a phone number to the cover 'Call now and dress your main character with fancy clothes. Only 1$ per minute'. No.

Link the NEX to game lore/experiences or, better, remove it.

Enter e.g. a 'Federal Navy Admiral Patent' into a LP store, which unlocks a 'Federal Navy Admiral Uniform' and a 'Title Certificate' in the NEX so that you can parade around with title and uniform after some decent grind, then at least the shop would be linked to some kind of in-game experience. And people would have new causes to grind missions.

Coco Caine
Posted - 2011.07.09 08:19:00 - [382]
 

Mid august my subscription runs out, better come up with some seriously enticing plans about new and improved game features beyond the 'let's test WoD on the Eve community' shti.

Your pricing strategy for NEX is fail because NEX is fail.

DoctorMolotov
Posted - 2011.07.09 08:20:00 - [383]
 

Originally by: Coco Caine

Enter e.g. a 'Federal Navy Admiral Patent' into a LP store, which unlocks a 'Federal Navy Admiral Uniform' and a 'Title Certificate' in the NEX so that you can parade around with title and uniform after some decent grind, then at least the shop would be linked to some kind of in-game experience. And people would have new causes to grind missions.


This.

Also, can we just start calling them "macrotransactions" since is faaar from micro...

Abdiel Kavash
Caldari
Paladin Order
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2011.07.09 09:15:00 - [384]
 

I really only see this interesting for the people who roll in bilions of ISK, never undock and never leave highsec (not that there's anthing inherently wrong with that). Industrialists, hardcore mission runners, market gurus. As a nullsec soldier or a lowsec pirate, I have a choice between several replaceable ships, or a pair of cheap pants. I think it's obvious where I will spend my money (ISK, AUR, PLEX, $, ,...).

CCP seems to aim this expansion at least partially at new players - well, I don't see how this will benefit new players in any way. Might even deter them - imagine someone just starting their level 2 missions earning an astonishing 250,000 ISK per job when they see that the cheapest shirt costs few hundred times more.


Aside from that,

Quote:
An affordable tier outfit can be purchased and assembled for roughly the value of one PLEX in total - slightly cheaper if you are fortunate enough to time your purchase well.

[...]

An exceptional tier is rumored to exist that represents a very special and rare investment for the wealthiest members of the EVE community.


Is this implying that the AUR price of the goods will fluctuate over time?

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.09 09:34:00 - [385]
 

Edited by: Jowen Datloran on 09/07/2011 09:37:20
Hey CCP.

I know I have been a negative critic, but now I am a believer. I do buy the whole "extravagant clothing" concept except you should perhaps stop signal confusion and call it Virtual Goods Sales instead of Micro-Transactions.

Personally I am at a stage where I have already bought all the battleships, freighters, strategic cruisers and whatnot that I could ever need. As a cautious man I rarely lose a ship so buying more are not a motivator for acquiring ISK. These cloth items might step in and be just that.

Finally, let me say; I have taken a closer look with an open mind on the cloth designs in the NeX store, and, truthfully, that are some damn nice threads. I could easily be persuaded to buy some of those in a real world store either for my self or my girlfriend if I had a choice. And the best part is that I could wear them without looking too out of place. Perhaps you could sell some of them in the EVE store? I am getting the feeling your are using people with some knowledge on real cloth design and you are, in effect, giving these people an option to get their designs out to the world, just not the real one.

EDIT: I forgot my critical issue; we need player made items beside the PLEX involved in NeX store purchases. Right now there are very few market dynamics involved which is a big shame.

Miraqu
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.09 10:28:00 - [386]
 

Will there be a quick way just to change clothes/accessories or do we always have to recustomize?

e.g. :

You undock for PvP, so just put on sth suitable to killing others and leave the nice ones at home.

Preferably 2 clicks in the character menu.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:21:00 - [387]
 

One thing I'd like to see in the NeX store is a "try before you buy" feature that allows us to see what we look like in certain rags before actually purchasing them. A virtual dressing room? What say ye CCP?

Roh Voleto
Posted - 2011.07.09 12:08:00 - [388]
 

Edited by: Roh Voleto on 09/07/2011 12:09:58
Notice how there is no outrage at all? Despite the prices still being unrealistic, if not to say insane. I guess nobody cares about the Aurum shop after all.


What I am interested in is if there will ever be something in it which is not ugly and un-EVElike. And how CCP will try to force us into using the shop, once they have to admit to themselves that not enough people are using it to justify its existence.

Antihrist Pripravnik
Scorpion Road Industry
Posted - 2011.07.09 12:56:00 - [389]
 

Great. The pricing strategy is up and now I can be sure that I won't buy a single thing from it.

Thanks for the info and good luck with the NeX shop. (I really mean that... no sarcasm or anything like thatWink).

Btw. just to let you know if you are still interested in hearing player's opinions... I'm right now (as I type) drinking a beer that costed me around $1 and I can already see the obvious advantages of it on this hot summer day. NeX shop products can not compete with it with these prices. Wink

Raid'En
Posted - 2011.07.09 13:31:00 - [390]
 

Originally by: Roh Voleto

Notice how there is no outrage at all? Despite the prices still being unrealistic, if not to say insane. I guess nobody cares about the Aurum shop after all.

the riot was due to tons of differents issues at the same time, the NeX price was only one of them. so a bit of rage now, but not much.

there's people that does not care about clothes, and so about clothes' prices
there's people thinking it's better to say nothing to avoid them going back to more stuff than clothes
there's people thinking it's better to ignore it cause anyway they don't want to listen to us about prices.


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