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Samantha Rockpile
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:35:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Samantha Rockpile on 07/07/2011 21:36:05
Well i was living with the changes we have all encountered in the past few weeks. Had no comments about it even though my laptop could no longer run it being a gforce 6200 series. And as we all know the requirements for incarna have eliminated that series of card as completely supported. Fine im all with the advancement of graphics and such. But on the other hand im also not rich but luckily I had a 7600GS running in my desktop. That was running fine and I knew i could never duel box on it but fine ill log for multiple accounts.

Till yesterday to my dismay upon trying to log into eve My ENTire screen went FUNKY Green and then froze up.ugh

Now I had to go buy a cheapo just to get online and THANK CCP for FRYING MY GPU!!!!ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

My GPU never ran over 72 before incarna but after well lets just say i prolly didn't need my oven for frying eggs.

Thanks a lot guys I know i don't have top of the line gear but I would have at least liked to have known you expansion was gonna ruin my pc.

I am going to submit a report as well but just wanted to warn you Legacy runners out there to keep an eye on temps.

Worst part is I got skills ending soon on two accounts and cant reup my training.ugh

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:38:00 - [2]
 

I ran my SLI card from 4-5 years ago into the ground until one of them gave out and I had to rely on just the single card.

I played 4-5 hours a day for 4-5 years, do you see me blaming anyone but myself for overtaxing my GPU?

NO, so please, please, go away.

Also, you do realize components go bad on their own right?

FFS where do you people come from with this stuff, I bet you barely know the first thing about computer hardware to begin with.

The Drill
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:43:00 - [3]
 

You go away I know Plenty seeing as I built this from the MB up So go Troll some other post seeing as it took you two second to reply to my post.

I use Aidia Extreem 64 to monitor all my component and always know my temps so for you to come in here and tell me my temps didnt go up after incarna as anyone you ask will mention how CPU and all went up with the expansion.

EVEN CCP MORON as they are updating the REQ's

FAILMORE TROLL?


Morganta
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:44:00 - [4]
 

7600GS
Q4-2006

400mhz clock speed
400mhz DDR2

PASSIVE COOLING (depending on the manufacturer)

sadly that card would have trouble running lots of games as its a gimped 7600GT.
still doesn't excuse the overheating issue

Samantha Rockpile
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:46:00 - [5]
 

And how am i overtaxing my GPU if its well withing the Req's?

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:47:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: The Drill
You go away I know Plenty seeing as I built this from the MB up So go Troll some other post seeing as it took you two second to reply to my post.

I use Aidia Extreem 64 to monitor all my component and always know my temps so for you to come in here and tell me my temps didnt go up after incarna as anyone you ask will mention how CPU and all went up with the expansion.

EVEN CCP MORON as they are updating the REQ's

FAILMORE TROLL?





You do realize that a thousand and one people also clamored that it was the end of the world that CCP owed them billions of dollars when they cut out the Classic client a few years ago, right?

Do you go to Dell.com and send them hate mail because they won't sell you computer with 8" floppy drives anymore?

I am sick of all the bellyaching, ffs, CCP nor any dev company in the world is not responsible for wear and tear on your equipment. I bet you if you read the EULA closely enough there are even clauses pertaining to it, so good luck.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:47:00 - [7]
 

that's what you get for alpha testing a c r a p product & paying for the pleasure.

I have a pretty high end machine & it still runs hot in CQ, it's really unacceptable.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:48:00 - [8]
 

Consumer grade GFs are not build to withstand continuos max usage like "furmark" for example. Now, Incarna does indeed tax the GPU more then it should probably.

BUT...if you saw your temps, why not clock it down? Or go for better cooling?

A card doesnt fail like that, you have to tax it quite a bit. I know most prebuild PCs are not really well cooled, and its summer, so Incarna could melt them fast without ppl realizing whats going on.

But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.


Ein Phantom
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:50:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: The Drill
You go away I know Plenty seeing as I built this from the MB up So go Troll some other post seeing as it took you two second to reply to my post.

I use Aidia Extreem 64 to monitor all my component and always know my temps so for you to come in here and tell me my temps didnt go up after incarna as anyone you ask will mention how CPU and all went up with the expansion.

EVEN CCP MORON as they are updating the REQ's

FAILMORE TROLL?





You do realize that a thousand and one people also clamored that it was the end of the world that CCP owed them billions of dollars when they cut out the Classic client a few years ago, right?

Do you go to Dell.com and send them hate mail because they won't sell you computer with 8" floppy drives anymore?

I am sick of all the bellyaching, ffs, CCP nor any dev company in the world is not responsible for wear and tear on your equipment. I bet you if you read the EULA closely enough there are even clauses pertaining to it, so good luck.


If you have nothing to contribute to the thread, please refrain from commenting.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:51:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 07/07/2011 21:52:22
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Consumer grade GFs are not build to withstand continuos max usage like "furmark" for example. Now, Incarna does indeed tax the GPU more then it should probably.

BUT...if you saw your temps, why not clock it down? Or go for better cooling?

A card doesnt fail like that, you have to tax it quite a bit. I know most prebuild PCs are not really well cooled, and its summer, so Incarna could melt them fast without ppl realizing whats going on.

But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.




Exactly this, ^

You just are somehow able to say it without the blinding rage that comes through when I try to say it, Laughing I lost a SLI card because I dual boxed EVE clients on the same port back in the day for years, it was my fault, no one else's, I knew I should have been using both cards, but it gave me trouble for some reason I don't recall, so I just bit the bullet and ran it into the ground.

I did not subsequently come in here to get on a soap box clamoring about what I already knew, I ran it too hard and fast and it failed on me, surprise!


Originally by: Ein Phantom


If you have nothing to contribute to the thread, please refrain from commenting.


This thread doesn't even belong in this section to begin with.

And I added plenty, namely that this isn't the first time that hundreds of people have cried foul claiming CCP ruined their lives because they are keeping up with technology (maybe not as well they should) but you can't add content to a game without adding overhead, and it builds up over time no matter how robust your code is.

B00T INI
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.

CCP have admitted it is horribly in need of optimising and the number of people reporting alarming strain on their GPU's which otherwise run highly demanding games suggests it is entirely up to CCP to sort this issue out. Thankfully they are, we just have to wait. In the meantime no amount of cooling 'solves' the issue.

http://i.imgur.com/POT6K.jpg

Morganta
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 - [12]
 

actually the chipset is rated for 560mhz (7600GT) but on the GS its clocked back to 400mhz so they can use cheaper DDR2 memory instead of the GDDR3 the 7600GT uses.

so even overclocked it should have been able to handle the heat, now the memory may have not been able to handle the overclocking and also the GT uses an active cooler due to the higher clock speeds and many GS cards just have a heatsync

muhuh Aihaken
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 - [13]
 

Install proper cooling so your hardware can run maxed out without overheating.

Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:52:00 - [14]
 

The door did what?

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:53:00 - [15]
 

Because of Door.

Ein Phantom
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:54:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Edited by: Maduin Ardens on 07/07/2011 21:52:22
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
Consumer grade GFs are not build to withstand continuos max usage like "furmark" for example. Now, Incarna does indeed tax the GPU more then it should probably.

BUT...if you saw your temps, why not clock it down? Or go for better cooling?

A card doesnt fail like that, you have to tax it quite a bit. I know most prebuild PCs are not really well cooled, and its summer, so Incarna could melt them fast without ppl realizing whats going on.

But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.




Exactly this, ^

You just are somehow able to say it without the blinding rage that comes through when I try to say it, Laughing I lost a SLI card because I dual boxed EVE clients on the same port back in the day for years, it was my fault, no one else's, I knew I should have been using both cards, but it gave me trouble for some reason I don't recall, so I just bit the bullet and ran it into the ground.

I did not subsequently come in here to get on a soap box clamoring about what I already knew, I ran it too hard and fast and it failed on me, surprise!


Originally by: Ein Phantom


If you have nothing to contribute to the thread, please refrain from commenting.


This thread doesn't even belong in this section to begin with.

And I added plenty, namely that this isn't the first time that hundreds of people have cried foul claiming CCP ruined their lives because they are keeping up with technology (maybe not as well they should) but you can't add content to a game without adding overhead, and it builds up over time no matter how robust your code is.


Please refrain from make generalized comments about a player's individual experiences. It is rude.

Shintai
Gallente
Arx Io Orbital Factories
Arx Io
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:56:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Shintai on 07/07/2011 22:02:03
By public misunderstanding. EvE didnt fry your GPU. In best case nVidia in your case designed it wrongly on purpose. AMD/ATI does the same before anyone comments it.

Unlike CPUs, GPUs on the desktop cant run a true heavy 100% load. They usually fix this by adding idle states in drivers, current controllers to the boards and so on. For example the HD6xxx even throttles down in clock.

The only GPUs rated to perform 100% is the nVidia Tesla cards. Try compare the Tesla card with a equal Geforce card. See TDP and cuda cores etc. Yep, quite a big humm! Point is the Tesla card can run a true heavy 100% load.

The code graphics cards usually run is light to medium. Hence within the limit. And you push the cards speeds faster to gain more for less. And if a game or application (furmark) uses your GPU more. You simply nerf it in drivers.

The upside is your cards run 20-25% faster or more. Downside is you sometimes pushes them beyond specs.

EDIT: To help people. The Tesla card would be 448cores, 1.15Ghz vs a Geforce 512cores and 1.54Ghz

Thats how much it would basicly cost performance wise to have a GPU that could always run 100%.

Its shady business. But apparently nVidia and ATI/AMD is without ethics and only going for quick performance numbers.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:59:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Ein Phantom
Please refrain from make generalized comments about a player's individual experiences. It is rude.


How naive, lol.

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:00:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 07/07/2011 22:04:03
Originally by: B00T INI
Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku
But CCP is only partly to blame here. Sure they should have optimized it better, but you are responsible for YOUR RIG, sufficient cooling and stuff.

CCP have admitted it is horribly in need of optimising and the number of people reporting alarming strain on their GPU's which otherwise run highly demanding games suggests it is entirely up to CCP to sort this issue out. Thankfully they are, we just have to wait. In the meantime no amount of cooling 'solves' the issue.

http://i.imgur.com/POT6K.jpg


Sry to proof you wrong, i run 3 clients here. I cool my components down with additional case-fans (fancontroler), i do that for every highperformance game. When i do office i want a quiet rig (i disable case-fans and clock the card down).

Its absolutely possible, but most ppl don't go that far with their rigs and pay no attention to temps, and i don't blame them. Go to your vendor and blame THEM, they should have build the rig with sufficient cooling.

EDIT: oh, and don't forget i already said CCP should optimize Incarna to not strain the hardware to max, at least not by default.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:02:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Shintai
By public misunderstanding. EvE didnt fry your GPU. In best case nVidia in your case designed it wrongly on purpose. AMD/ATI does the same before anyone comments it.

Unlike CPUs, GPUs on the desktop cant run a true heavy 100% load. They usually fix this by adding idle states in drivers, current controllers to the boards and so on. For example the HD6xxx even throttles down in clock.

The only GPUs rated to perform 100% is the nVidia Tesla cards. Try compare the Tesla card with a equal Geforce card. See TDP and cuda cores etc. Yep, quite a big humm! Point is the Tesla card can run a true heavy 100% load.

The code graphics cards usually run is light to medium. Hence within the limit. And you push the cards speeds faster to gain more for less. And if a game or application (furmark) uses your GPU more. You simply nerf it in drivers.

The upside is your cards run 20-25% faster. Downside is you sometimes pushes them beyond specs.


I know a number of major TV manufacturers that do this with their drip pans, my ex used to take escalated calls all day from people trying to make claims on their warranties because the drip pan fried the circuitry in their big screen TV, she wasn't able to inform them that in fact, it was designed to have a set life cycle of 4-5 years which closely matched the warranty, i.e. the manufacturer banked on the circuitry lasting for only so long.

The Drill
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:05:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: The Drill on 07/07/2011 22:08:00



Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:06:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 07/07/2011 22:08:17
Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: Shintai
By public misunderstanding. EvE didnt fry your GPU. In best case nVidia in your case designed it wrongly on purpose. AMD/ATI does the same before anyone comments it.

Unlike CPUs, GPUs on the desktop cant run a true heavy 100% load. They usually fix this by adding idle states in drivers, current controllers to the boards and so on. For example the HD6xxx even throttles down in clock.

The only GPUs rated to perform 100% is the nVidia Tesla cards. Try compare the Tesla card with a equal Geforce card. See TDP and cuda cores etc. Yep, quite a big humm! Point is the Tesla card can run a true heavy 100% load.

The code graphics cards usually run is light to medium. Hence within the limit. And you push the cards speeds faster to gain more for less. And if a game or application (furmark) uses your GPU more. You simply nerf it in drivers.

The upside is your cards run 20-25% faster. Downside is you sometimes pushes them beyond specs.


I know a number of major TV manufacturers that do this with their drip pans, my ex used to take escalated calls all day from people trying to make claims on their warranties because the drip pan fried the circuitry in their big screen TV, she wasn't able to inform them that in fact, it was designed to have a set life cycle of 4-5 years which closely matched the warranty, i.e. the manufacturer banked on the circuitry lasting for only so long.


Well, thats standard, electronics are made to barely make the warranty time anyways. The few that get overused get replaced, its not such a big deal, and all the others have to rebuy shortly after.

If you are really carefull you can get out a few more years then warranty-time, but you have to know what to do.

P.s. printers are the worst, they have build in a chip that counts print-cycles, and after X prints brings an error. You can reset the chip if you know how, but its a prime example how this stuff works, and i always wonder how ppl tolerate it. Embarassed

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:06:00 - [23]
 

1: Incarna code needs to be optimized in general, especially for certain cards.

2: Unfortunately this opens the door to people point a finger at Incarna any time they have a graphics card fail now, regardless of cause.

I'm not point fingers in either direction, just stating facts.

Samantha Rockpile
Caldari
Debitum Naturae
Drop the Hammer
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:07:00 - [24]
 

As a side note im not raging or crying I just think it should be pointed out that even though they are calling 7300 and up the req you may still be in danger take it more as a heads up then anything else.

An Also just to mention it I did no OC'ing myself as I knew it was at its limit already.


Ein Phantom
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:07:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: Shintai
By public misunderstanding. EvE didnt fry your GPU. In best case nVidia in your case designed it wrongly on purpose. AMD/ATI does the same before anyone comments it.

Unlike CPUs, GPUs on the desktop cant run a true heavy 100% load. They usually fix this by adding idle states in drivers, current controllers to the boards and so on. For example the HD6xxx even throttles down in clock.

The only GPUs rated to perform 100% is the nVidia Tesla cards. Try compare the Tesla card with a equal Geforce card. See TDP and cuda cores etc. Yep, quite a big humm! Point is the Tesla card can run a true heavy 100% load.

The code graphics cards usually run is light to medium. Hence within the limit. And you push the cards speeds faster to gain more for less. And if a game or application (furmark) uses your GPU more. You simply nerf it in drivers.

The upside is your cards run 20-25% faster. Downside is you sometimes pushes them beyond specs.


I know a number of major TV manufacturers that do this with their drip pans, my ex used to take escalated calls all day from people trying to make claims on their warranties because the drip pan fried the circuitry in their big screen TV, she wasn't able to inform them that in fact, it was designed to have a set life cycle of 4-5 years which closely matched the warranty, i.e. the manufacturer banked on the circuitry lasting for only so long.


Please refrain from intentionally derailing the topic of the OP. It is impolite.

Xaelix Sativa
Caldari
Killers.R.Us
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:08:00 - [26]
 

In the span of 4 years, I've had 4 GPU's fail while playing EVE. First I thought it was my cooling, then I thought it was my wiring, then I realized every one of those cards was an EVGA card. So I bought a PNY after my 8800 went into full-artifact mode and I'll never, ever buy an EVGA GPU again.

OMGWTFResearch
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:10:00 - [27]
 

Running a passive card in a heavy environment like EVE = Epic fail. Passive cards need cooling air from the hard drive bay fan (Which many computers lack) to stay cool.

Stop blaming CCP for your failure to know how to cool your system.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:11:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

Well, thats standard, electronics are made to barely make the warranty time anyways. The few that get overused get replaced, its not such a big deal, and all the others have to rebuy shortly after.

If you are really carefull you can get out a few more years then warranty-time, but you have to know what to do.

P.s. printers are the worst, they have build in a chip that counts print-cycles, and after X prints brings an error. You can reset the chip if you know how, but its a prime example how this stuff works, and i always wonder how ppl tolerate it. Embarassed


Yea, that's why I wasn't too shocked when my GPU gave out after 4-5 years, I got my money out of it, was time to get a new one.

Oooooh I didn't know that about printers tho, that's very interesting, learn something new everyday, thank you Gwen! :)

The Drill
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:19:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: The Drill on 07/07/2011 22:25:25

K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.07 22:22:00 - [30]
 

My 4870X2 goes into massive overdrive when I load incarna, only thing that works is very low settings which be default make it a useless thing in the first place. And that's just 1 account. So I do hope the "I can't be fekked with incarna" tick box stays in the game.


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