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CAiNE999
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:23:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: CAiNE999 on 09/07/2011 02:29:53
Edited by: CAiNE999 on 09/07/2011 02:27:05
The real objection to this idea among "vets" seems to boil down to..
"WAAAAA.. we are THE ELITE.. we will not accept being threatened up on our pedestal by the NOOBS!!
...
The problem is the players who consider themselves "vets" or the "elite" these days are labouring under the misconception that CCP NOW are only kept going by them and that Eve would be nothing without them..
But thats where they are wrong..

Er...? What is this trash, are you attempting to villainize EvE players who are several years old here? i dont know where your getting these reported misconceptions from, whats happening is people are getting ****ed off because, after spending months/years of work, training their characters, paying their subscriptions, developing further into the game, are potentially being faced by people who could (in theory if MT goes this way) buy thier way up into the tens of millions of SP. Unfairly catching them up, why? because they wave their credit card around like a shopaholic on crack.

If you fail to see why this makes people angry, then sure..... totally on track here, damn those evil loyal EvE "vet/elite" fans, gotta beat the n00b`s down, yeah F n00b`s. Im too pr0 for any n00b to compete with me, Totally the reason their getting riled up. Rolling Eyes

Established corps tend to be overly paranoid and elitist in their attitudes- they all want full T2 fits and this and that SP requirement.

Utter bull... what are these "Established Corps" how many of them are there? how many corps enforce full T2 fits and SP? the ones that do are a minority, and usually the big names who have a rep to keep up, there are still lots of large and "established" corps welcome that new players, especially new pvpers, and industralists

Some of this stuff can take up to a year to train, so what are new players supposed to do until they have the skills?

T2 takes a upto a year to train, so what 8-9 months+ to get a couple lvl 5 skill? (most t2 gear is lvl 4 now) Right.... med/Large X gun 5 is what 15-30days, full general gunnery to 4, support to 3/4, t2 tank and fitting mods, yup, definately filling that 8 or so months up. my 5m sp alt cant possibly have a t2 fit cyclone, oh no... Cant do anything with t2 mods you know, just have to sit on your a$$ and twiddling your thumbs right?

Please stop spreading your deluded bull on the forums, you dont NEED t2 for jack, its a stupid and idiotic misconception, i pity the players who are brainwashed into thinking "must be t2, must be t2 to pvp, must be t2 to pve, cant go low-sec without my t2... worthless without my t2"

I know similar arguments have been shot down here before.

*cough* i wonder why

But at the end of the day talk is cheap. The vast majority of ppl will choose not to play rather than have to wait 6 months before they can join a decent corp.. But thats another story Wink

6 months to join a decent corp? right, nice completely blown out of proportion analysis there. Definately cant try making friends/making thier own corp/joining pub corp chats to hang out. or the other many ways of finding a nice corp (like the new corp finder system)

Eve vets need to ask themselves if they prefer keeping their little circle jerk going and throwing spanners in the works when CCP tries to take the game forward. Or risking losing everything and their years or effort meaning nothing when CCP go under..

Yup more EvE "vet" hate.... sure, we all sit around sucking each other off over how good we are pwning n00b`s, because its not like we help educate, encourage and enrich their gaming experience, like the dozens of players i give advice and pep talks to after blowing them up when i was a -10, or making my own corps. cant forget your analysis, must beat n00b`s down

CAiNE999
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:25:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: CAiNE999 on 09/07/2011 02:56:48
Edited by: CAiNE999 on 09/07/2011 02:30:41
Edited by: CAiNE999 on 09/07/2011 02:27:56
If this is pushing EvE forward? Id rather this game die, with fond memories, than watch it suffer, fall from grace, bleeding players from MT and p2w ****tards.

I suspect those vets who vote with their feet and leave
when this feature is implemented will be missed slightly less than they like to think

Yeah, loyal fans leaving the game in droves over MT,gg

Honestly, where do you people crawl up from? spouting crap, full of misconceptions, poor experience, stupidly exaggerated opinions, and utter failure of basic logic, to think, im usually pretty happy and easy going...




Originally by: Elyssa Polaris, my replys in bold, if anyones wondering who im talking to (rofl i put qoutes in bold)

Llambda
Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:50:00 - [153]
 

Quote:
Originally by: Elyssa Polaris, Qoutes in bold, if anyones wondering who im talking to


Jesus, what is wrong with you?

Caliph Muhammed
Caldari
Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:32:00 - [154]
 

Edited by: Caliph Muhammed on 09/07/2011 03:49:09
Originally by: Elyssa Polaris
Its pretty obvious CCP are (not so) subtley Wink testing the waters for this concept through the recent number of threads with rather eloquent authors arguing in favour of cash for SP

Ill stick my neck out and predict a service along these lines will be implemented in the next 18 months.

Now I started playing Eve early 2006, though I've not been active for all that time. I've seen a lot of comings and goings and drama along the way, so heres my two cents.

The real objection to this idea among "vets" seems to boil down to..

"WAAAAA.. we are THE ELITE.. we will not accept being threatened up on our pedestal by the NOOBS!!"

Now I accept that real vets i.e. those who have been playing since 2003/04 - are who kept CCP above water during the early days after a shaky release.

The problem is the players who consider themselves "vets" or the "elite" these days are labouring under the misconception that CCP NOW are only kept going by them and that Eve would be nothing without them..

But thats where they are wrong..

The fact is that the revenue being brought in by the current player base is simply not enough for CCP to do the things they want to do.

I know a lot of ppl will argue this is because of DUST or WoD and maybe they have a point.

But I think the real issue is the fact that the longer a person plays eve the less likely they are to actually pay any hard currency for their subscription.

The PLEX system is pretty unique among MMOs I've played and Im not knocking it at all - but the issue remains that the current player base are not paying the bills for CCP.

CCP need a way to get new players in the door and crucially for them to continue paying for a subscription after the first few months (or less)

SP alone is not the main issue regarding new player retention, to me that would be actually connecting with the player base.

Established corps tend to be overly paranoid and elitist in their attitudes- they all want full T2 fits and this and that SP requirement.

Some of this stuff can take up to a year to train, so what are new players supposed to do until they have the skills?

I know similar arguments have been shot down here before. But at the end of the day talk is cheap. The vast majority of ppl will choose not to play rather than have to wait 6 months before they can join a decent corp.. But thats another story Wink

Eve vets need to ask themselves if they prefer keeping their little circle jerk going and throwing spanners in the works when CCP tries to take the game forward. Or risking losing everything and their years or effort meaning nothing when CCP go under..

I suspect those vets who vote with their feet and leave when this feature is implemented will be missed slightly less than they like to think Wink

Bottom Line. This game needs a shot in the arm..


Lawl Psychology. No matter how often you repeat it, no matter how much you want it, it's not going to happen. So enjoy your trolling. Our sides enjoyment comes from the fact no matter how much you repeat this rhetoric in game as it stands you're waiting on your skills. And the tears of the impatient younglings are like sweet nectar.

This particular change im not even slightly worried about. Enjoy your Patience Level 5 Training, its worth every second invested and you're going to be enduring it for the rest of your time in EVE.

Just wait until you endure a dedicated war dec where you are personally hunted wherever you go. Imagine the ecstasy of knowing someone who will wipe the floor with you will not allow you safety anywhere in the game. The unfathomable suffering and frustration you will experience has a haunting & sexually sadistic quality to it.

And like skill training in EVE, you are powerless to change your situation.

Cool

JitaBUGz TheGreat
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:42:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So how many of you equate the buying of characters with the buying of SP, and if you do compare them on the same level, then do you then think the idea of buying SP is ok? I'm just curious.


Get out of these forums u sell out!! Surprised you have not had a hissy fit in this thread about how hard you worked on your free vacation to Iceland, glad to see you have finaly climbed down from that cross you nailed yourself too.

VAsh Ozuwara
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:54:00 - [156]
 

hi i just start plaing yesterday.

how does i pilot titan to hisec pls

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.09 07:59:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Elyssa Polaris
lol WTF post.....
Laughing Nice troll bro.

Potato IQ
Posted - 2011.07.09 10:45:00 - [158]
 

Player A starts a pilot and does nothing but train skills for 3 years to gain 53m SP Ė 36 PLEX

Player B starts a pilot and buys SP @ 1.28m/PLEX (rank 5 skill) to gain 53m SP Ė 42 PLEX

Both decide to sell the character and get the same price. The one who bought the SP has paid more for that privilege. The person that buys either character has no interest in how long it took, or how much is cost, to gain that same level of SP. The benefits to the game as far as isk injection from both selling parties is the same. Both created the same SP, one just took longer than the other. Extreme case for player A, but illustrates how this length of time generation is a stupid argument as they gave nothing to the game in those 3 years

Player B keeps character and player C has purchased player A. Having the flexibility that the amount of SP the characters allow, both players could still potentially be bored with the game after the same amount of time. It cost player C much less to find this out, so SP purchase is still a greater financial hit to a game mechanic that exists in character purchase

Unclear what the sense of achievement is in being able to drag a skill into the queue and wait it out. They are too long. Making a sweeping time reduction will de-value the character market. There is nothing to suggest that SP purchase would be a flood if introduced. Having the option to gain some lengthy pre-reqís is not game breaking, yet offers a value added option to new and old alike

A company making changes always p!sses somebody off, usually the old guard that are reluctant to change and just simply donít like something they see as unfair because they didnít have it in their time. Fine. F*ck off then. Cutting your nose off to spite your face is a very mature attitude if you leave the game. Nothing has fundamentally changed in your gameplay. Itís been mentioned countless times that in game knowledge will still be poor regardless of the SP they have, so removing their new ship for them will be a learning exercise that SP does not = win

The perceived gulf, and inability to close it for those that see this as a problem, will stop new players coming in. The reality of incredible long skills after a few months will not promote player retention. There are only so many people Eve will attract and the alts must greatly exaggerate the player base number increase. Alts donít buy PLEX to sell, so where is your sustained market going to come from? Canít wait for the b!tching when players suddenly have to either pay stupid prices for PLEX or pay for subscription from their own pocket

Itís easy to predict, and it is certainly my hope, that Eve will grow from strength to strength. It is also just as easy to predict stagnation and eventual decline. Incarna may eventually open the door to another bread of player to the ones that join currently, when it works of course, but the skilling system as is will always be a problem. Bemoaning the introduction of SP boosting because you didn't have it? Grow up


Caliph Muhammed
Caldari
Caldari Naval Criminal Investigative Service
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:26:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Potato IQ
Character bazaar is the same thing!



Then no change is needed!

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:27:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Elyssa Polaris
Its pretty obvious CCP are (not so) subtley Wink testing the waters for this concept through the recent number of threads with rather eloquent authors arguing in favour of cash for SP

Ill stick my neck out and predict a service along these lines will be implemented in the next 18 months.

It's only a matter of time. 6 months, 18 months, 5 years? But it will happen, I have no doubt.

Quote:
Now I accept that real vets i.e. those who have been playing since 2003/04 - are who kept CCP above water during the early days after a shaky release.

The problem is the players who consider themselves "vets" or the "elite" these days are labouring under the misconception that CCP NOW are only kept going by them and that Eve would be nothing without them.

Delusional bunch...

Quote:
The fact is that the revenue being brought in by the current player base is simply not enough for CCP to do the things they want to do.

... but the issue remains that the current player base are not paying the bills for CCP.

They need to sell Skill Points


StillBorn CrackBaby
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:35:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Potato IQ
A company making changes always p!sses somebody off, usually the old guard that are reluctant to change and just simply donít like something they see as unfair because they didnít have it in their time. Fine. F*ck off then. Cutting your nose off to spite your face is a very mature attitude if you leave the game. Nothing has fundamentally changed in your gameplay. Itís been mentioned countless times that in game knowledge will still be poor regardless of the SP they have, so removing their new ship for them will be a learning exercise that SP does not = win

The perceived gulf, and inability to close it for those that see this as a problem, will stop new players coming in. The reality of incredible long skills after a few months will not promote player retention. There are only so many people Eve will attract and the alts must greatly exaggerate the player base number increase. Alts donít buy PLEX to sell, so where is your sustained market going to come from? Canít wait for the b!tching when players suddenly have to either pay stupid prices for PLEX or pay for subscription from their own pocket

Itís easy to predict, and it is certainly my hope, that Eve will grow from strength to strength. It is also just as easy to predict stagnation and eventual decline. Incarna may eventually open the door to another bread of player to the ones that join currently, when it works of course, but the skilling system as is will always be a problem. Bemoaning the introduction of SP boosting because you didn't have it? Grow up


Things Change.

Life isn't fair.

CCP will do what it takes to keep the cash flowing. So a thousand vets quit? So what? Guys who pay with plex and never make the company a dime. Who needs customers like that?

ninjaholic
Gallente
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:38:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Mark Sherlock
I see many a post involving, "I'll quit if you can purcahse SP"...

I started playing eve four weeks ago, four week old account. I have two characters. One with 1.2 million SP, another with 53 million SP. I actually created another account to train additional SP, but letting that one run dry as purchasing SP is cheaper than training it.

I bought PLEX online through CCP account management.

I sold plex for isk.

I bought SP with isk

What's the fuss about? I can only imagine this has been around for a while now.


You didn't buy SP with ISK. You paid for a character that someone else took the time to train. DUH. SP/hr is what makes Eve stand apart from other MMORPGS. If you weren't an idiot you'd have noticed that.

Azahni Vah'nos
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:43:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: StillBorn CrackBaby
Originally by: Potato IQ
A company making changes always p!sses somebody off, usually the old guard that are reluctant to change and just simply donít like something they see as unfair because they didnít have it in their time. Fine. F*ck off then. Cutting your nose off to spite your face is a very mature attitude if you leave the game. Nothing has fundamentally changed in your gameplay. Itís been mentioned countless times that in game knowledge will still be poor regardless of the SP they have, so removing their new ship for them will be a learning exercise that SP does not = win

The perceived gulf, and inability to close it for those that see this as a problem, will stop new players coming in. The reality of incredible long skills after a few months will not promote player retention. There are only so many people Eve will attract and the alts must greatly exaggerate the player base number increase. Alts donít buy PLEX to sell, so where is your sustained market going to come from? Canít wait for the b!tching when players suddenly have to either pay stupid prices for PLEX or pay for subscription from their own pocket

Itís easy to predict, and it is certainly my hope, that Eve will grow from strength to strength. It is also just as easy to predict stagnation and eventual decline. Incarna may eventually open the door to another bread of player to the ones that join currently, when it works of course, but the skilling system as is will always be a problem. Bemoaning the introduction of SP boosting because you didn't have it? Grow up


Things Change.

Life isn't fair.

CCP will do what it takes to keep the cash flowing. So a thousand vets quit? So what? Guys who pay with plex and never make the company a dime. Who needs customers like that?


Hate to burst your bubble, but you do realise that with PLEX CCP still makes money. Do you think the PLEX just appeared out of thin air ... somebody paid for it.

ninjaholic
Gallente
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:51:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: StillBorn CrackBaby
Things Change. Life isn't fair. CCP will do what it takes to keep the cash flowing. So a thousand vets quit? So what? Guys who pay with plex and never make the company a dime. Who needs customers like that?


Where do you think PLEX comes from? Someone paid for it. Sold it for ISK. Derp much?

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.07.09 11:58:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Azahni Vah'nos
Originally by: StillBorn CrackBaby
Originally by: Potato IQ
A company making changes always p!sses somebody off, usually the old guard that are reluctant to change and just simply donít like something they see as unfair because they didnít have it in their time. Fine. F*ck off then. Cutting your nose off to spite your face is a very mature attitude if you leave the game. Nothing has fundamentally changed in your gameplay. Itís been mentioned countless times that in game knowledge will still be poor regardless of the SP they have, so removing their new ship for them will be a learning exercise that SP does not = win

The perceived gulf, and inability to close it for those that see this as a problem, will stop new players coming in. The reality of incredible long skills after a few months will not promote player retention. There are only so many people Eve will attract and the alts must greatly exaggerate the player base number increase. Alts donít buy PLEX to sell, so where is your sustained market going to come from? Canít wait for the b!tching when players suddenly have to either pay stupid prices for PLEX or pay for subscription from their own pocket

Itís easy to predict, and it is certainly my hope, that Eve will grow from strength to strength. It is also just as easy to predict stagnation and eventual decline. Incarna may eventually open the door to another bread of player to the ones that join currently, when it works of course, but the skilling system as is will always be a problem. Bemoaning the introduction of SP boosting because you didn't have it? Grow up


Things Change.

Life isn't fair.

CCP will do what it takes to keep the cash flowing. So a thousand vets quit? So what? Guys who pay with plex and never make the company a dime. Who needs customers like that?


Hate to burst your bubble, but you do realise that with PLEX CCP still makes money. Do you think the PLEX just appeared out of thin air ... somebody paid for it.

Of course someone paid for it. But not the whining vet who will quit before paying cash...

ninjaholic
Gallente
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.09 12:05:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Of course someone paid for it. But not the whining vet who will quit before paying cash...


And who will buy the ****ing PLEX then? You derpface. I'm one of those whiney 'vets' and I care about Eve's future, not yours. I don't pay with cash, paid with ISK for the last 4 years, and if I quit, who's going to buy the PLEX? The roids? What you think will happen to the PLEX market or are you too short-sighted to see that due to ignorance or disability? Might want to unsub bro, WoW needs you.

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.07.09 12:09:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: ninjaholic
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Of course someone paid for it. But not the whining vet who will quit before paying cash...


And who will buy the ****ing PLEX then? You derpface. I'm one of those whiney 'vets' and I care about Eve's future, not yours. I don't pay with cash, paid with ISK for the last 4 years, and if I quit, who's going to buy the PLEX? The roids? What you think will happen to the PLEX market or are you too short-sighted to see that due to ignorance or disability? Might want to unsub bro, WoW needs you.

Well I don't care about you either. Nyah Nyah...

Suck it up. Things change. SP for sale will happen. Only a matter of time.... You'll see...

Unsub, NEVER. It's wayyyy too much fun watching the forum whiners squirm...

saltrock0000
Posted - 2011.07.09 12:18:00 - [168]
 

Right lets get this started, I am not a "Vet" however im not a newby (75milsp)

I see no problem what so ever with buying SP for aurum. Eve needs to attract a constant influx of new players to ensure that the game server stays up and running, lets not forget, CCP wernt put here to amuse us geeky people, they are a buisness, and as a buisness have a bottom line and are looking to make money.

Ok now put yourself in a new players situation for a moment. You run the tutorial missions, you eventualy start getting a grasp of the game, what you want to do, so you get evemon and WHAAAAAAM 360+ days training for something you want. Now you as a new player, are you going to think "f this fora game of soldiers" or "oh ok yeah ill commit to a new game for a YEAR". Easy solution is selling SP for aurum!

By selling SP for aurum 90% of people are happy, the new players can actualy play the game like a game and not have to train skills for obcene amounts of time before they can start to have fun, CCP make X amount of money and keeps the buisness rolling - working on expansions and new content for the whole community to enjoy. Now the 10% of bitter vets left think about this fora moment. That new players flying a ship he isnt totaly awear of the proper roles for, say a blaster astarte for example. This new guy doesnt know or appreciate how range dependant this ship is, you kite him and kill him. Easy killmail, a bit of fun for the bitter vet, and a valuable lesson for the guy in the astarte.

In summory, buying sp will increase the playerbase alot IMO, i know skill training seriously put me off the game at the begining. More players = more immersive game and more killmails for the bitter vets.

Cmon bitter vets, farm tears dont make them YARRRR!!

BrundleMeth
Caldari
Temporal Mechanics
Posted - 2011.07.09 12:21:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: saltrock0000
Right lets get this started, I am not a "Vet" however im not a newby (75milsp)

I see no problem what so ever with buying SP for aurum. Eve needs to attract a constant influx of new players to ensure that the game server stays up and running, lets not forget, CCP wernt put here to amuse us geeky people, they are a buisness, and as a buisness have a bottom line and are looking to make money.

Ok now put yourself in a new players situation for a moment. You run the tutorial missions, you eventualy start getting a grasp of the game, what you want to do, so you get evemon and WHAAAAAAM 360+ days training for something you want. Now you as a new player, are you going to think "f this fora game of soldiers" or "oh ok yeah ill commit to a new game for a YEAR". Easy solution is selling SP for aurum!

By selling SP for aurum 90% of people are happy, the new players can actualy play the game like a game and not have to train skills for obcene amounts of time before they can start to have fun, CCP make X amount of money and keeps the buisness rolling - working on expansions and new content for the whole community to enjoy. Now the 10% of bitter vets left think about this fora moment. That new players flying a ship he isnt totaly awear of the proper roles for, say a blaster astarte for example. This new guy doesnt know or appreciate how range dependant this ship is, you kite him and kill him. Easy killmail, a bit of fun for the bitter vet, and a valuable lesson for the guy in the astarte.

In summory, buying sp will increase the playerbase alot IMO, i know skill training seriously put me off the game at the begining. More players = more immersive game and more killmails for the bitter vets.

Cmon bitter vets, farm tears dont make them YARRRR!!

I agree. Unfortunately people don't want to hear it. The would rather snivel about how tough they had it and how it's not fair ad nauseum...

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.11 09:01:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So how many of you equate the buying of characters with the buying of SP, and if you do compare them on the same level, then do you then think the idea of buying SP is ok? I'm just curious.


Purchasing SP directly raises the baseline of worthless trash. The T1 market is already kinda flimsy, with so few reasons to ever fly a t1 frigate that isn't a Rifter / Kestrel, they're worthless.
Having more new players jump over them faster will likely make T1 cruisers the new T1 Frigate.
I'd like to buy sp without causing this issue. Perhaps if one could only purchase SP relating to T2 skills, I don't know. Something like that.

Kuikiker
WALLTREIPERS
Posted - 2011.07.11 09:56:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Mark Sherlock

Repeating this for the third time now, It cost him/her $400 to train 53m sp, cost me 200$ to train 53m sp. Now, it would have cost me $400 to train if I didn't just straight up buy the SP and choose to train it instead. $200 =/= $400 last time I checked.


While he was training the character he was PLAYING THE GAME.

I play Eve cause I enjoy it, not to see how my SP number raises.

Signal11th
Posted - 2011.07.11 10:26:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: StillBorn CrackBaby
Originally by: Potato IQ
A company making changes always p!sses somebody off, usually the old guard that are reluctant to change and just simply donít like something they see as unfair because they didnít have it in their time. Fine. F*ck off then. Cutting your nose off to spite your face is a very mature attitude if you leave the game. Nothing has fundamentally changed in your gameplay. Itís been mentioned countless times that in game knowledge will still be poor regardless of the SP they have, so removing their new ship for them will be a learning exercise that SP does not = win

The perceived gulf, and inability to close it for those that see this as a problem, will stop new players coming in. The reality of incredible long skills after a few months will not promote player retention. There are only so many people Eve will attract and the alts must greatly exaggerate the player base number increase. Alts donít buy PLEX to sell, so where is your sustained market going to come from? Canít wait for the b!tching when players suddenly have to either pay stupid prices for PLEX or pay for subscription from their own pocket

Itís easy to predict, and it is certainly my hope, that Eve will grow from strength to strength. It is also just as easy to predict stagnation and eventual decline. Incarna may eventually open the door to another bread of player to the ones that join currently, when it works of course, but the skilling system as is will always be a problem. Bemoaning the introduction of SP boosting because you didn't have it? Grow up


Things Change.

Life isn't fair.

CCP will do what it takes to keep the cash flowing. So a thousand vets quit? So what? Guys who pay with plex and never make the company a dime. Who needs customers like that?



Somewhere a village is missing it's idiot.

Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
Posted - 2011.07.11 10:28:00 - [173]
 

I could live with it if you got 500,000 skillpoints or less for a PLEX. The price you pay for not having to wait for it.

I would rather have somebody buying bulk SP than skillpoint respecs. Unfortunately, I am pretty such re-specs will come because they already coded it in and its a popular trend in MMOs.

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.07.11 10:33:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: Toovhon on 11/07/2011 10:56:11
Oh **** me, not this **** again. Why is the OP asking when all these threads he mentions are full of the bloody reasons buying SP is death to Eve for any serious player.

e.g. -

It removes progression which is one big reason people keep playing an MMO.

It rewards money over time to a far, far, far greater degree than PLEX does - PLEX can only buy you a better XYZ of the same tier. Buying SP can allow you to fly anything.

It creates something out of nothing. PLEX requires player effort and time to purchase from a seller.

It is open to extensive abuse.

It removes having to make choices and tradeoffs, and live with them which is a big part of Eve. Nothing means anything anymore. You're not emotionally invested in a skill if you instantly bought it, as opposed to having to spend time learning it and building up an in-game infrastructure to support the new skill's possibilities (e.g. you don't just train to use a new ship. You have to train other related skills, build/earn ISK to buy the parts, learn to fly it well, etc).

It would create an environment that favours SP buyers over those who choose to actually play the game. An arms race would begin and only the wealthiest players would come out on top. Skill and time invested in the game wouldn't matter anymore. It would be all about who buys the most SP. Inevitably alliances would start demanding their players be able to use XYZ highest level skill, forcing them to all buy SP.

It would be an economic disaster as lower level skills and their related goods are passed over by the vast majority of players buying SP, because they either want the instant gratification, can't see lower level stuff also has a purpose, and peer pressure to fly the highest level ships, etc. Suddenly an awful lot of items in the game would drop in value, destroying the point of running missions, manufacturing, etc that produce these lower level items.

You may have convinced yourself you can only enjoy Eve with XYZ high level ship, but the fact is it's you that is the problem. Having a T3 or SuperCap won't suddenly fix that. I enjoyed Eve from day one. Why do you think high level ships and activities are all there is? That's just sad.

And I could go on. Instead I refer you to:

http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1541099&page=1
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1547877
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1548180

Toovhon
Posted - 2011.07.11 11:04:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Anon Magnus
Hypocritical or not, when it comes to buying skill points added on top of the already existing PLEXÖ I want to scream ďthis far and NO MORE.Ē It feels like there is already too much real world money affecting the game and injecting more into my virtual environment tanks the experience of actually playing and accomplishing goals. Iíd compare it to the difference between making out with a woman that actually likes you and another thatíll only do it for money.


http://youtu.be/dto2gS7hye8

Mintrolio
Posted - 2011.07.11 11:11:00 - [176]
 

CONFRIMIGN IN REEL LIFES IS I AM VER WELTHY

ALSO I CAN BY MANY MANY SKILLS PIONTS.

ALSO THESES SKILLS PIONTS NOT MADE BY ANYONES

ALSO CHRACTER IS MADE BY PEEPOLS. ALSO IS VER DIFFRENTS.

ALSO I AGAINS BY SKILLS PIONTS EVEN IF AM I VER WELTHY.

THAT IST ALLE

My Postman
Posted - 2011.07.11 11:20:00 - [177]
 

You can buy a char with $$$$, and the SP said char has. You might be able to fly a supercap on your 4 week old char, but still you will horribly fail, as you were not able to buy the *experiance* to fly a supercap with it.

Buying SP with a experianced (and probably rich on RL money) WILL give you an advantage over players the same age, and thatīs why we donīt want this s*it.

Kurtkonig
Blackwater USA Inc.
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.07.11 11:28:00 - [178]
 

5 years ago there we had no sell-out guys like you in EVE. I restarted my account 1 month ago and first thing I realized was that active players got younger, and trolls became visible.

Ingvar Angst
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.07.11 11:54:00 - [179]
 

Fine, let's satisfy the sub-intelligent that want to buy skill points without breaking the game.

Skill points: 1 Aurum ea.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.11 12:14:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Mark Sherlock
I see many a post involving, "I'll quit if you can purcahse SP"...

I started playing eve four weeks ago, four week old account. I have two characters. One with 1.2 million SP, another with 53 million SP. I actually created another account to train additional SP, but letting that one run dry as purchasing SP is cheaper than training it.

I bought PLEX online through CCP account management.

I sold plex for isk.

I bought SP with isk

What's the fuss about? I can only imagine this has been around for a while now.


If you have the money to spend, buy a cerebral accelerator for your new characters. It costs the same as a PLEX, but it gives +3 all across the board (or was it +3?). Plus, its stackable with normal implants so you can have +6 attributes on a 2 day old character.

Right now if you want a Nyx pilot you have to pay for the entire 40m skillpoints it has. If you had SP for sale, however, you'd only need to top off your account. It would be cheaper, and thus we would have more supercap pilots as if they weren't already too many.


Buying SP for money is a big no-no-no-no-no-no. It embodies the concept of P2W. EVE's commnuity has erupted like a volcano (no pun intedeed) after CCP even entertained the idea of putting game changing items on the NeX store (as if you can't already buy stuff with PLEX). If CCP even touched the idea of selling SP with a 10 feet pole, they would receive half a dozen bombs on their headquarters through conventional mail.


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