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JonnyRandom
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:41:00 - [1]
 

I'm wondering, what makes more isk/hour, doing lvl 4 mishes in a pimped out faction BS/marauder or doing anomalies in WH's?

Gaia Enigma
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:13:00 - [2]
 

Joining a WH corp and running C5s will get you the most isk/hour. If you are asking about doing WH's solo then no, a L4 agent setup will be better for you in general. C3's are easily soloable, C4's are tougher, and while I have seen one person solo in a C5 it was so slow that it wasn't worth the effort. YMMV.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:33:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Mara Rinn on 07/07/2011 04:50:15
The catch with doing w-space stuff is the delay between the work and getting the ISK in your wallet. You have to cooperate with corp mates, run a tight ship, get the product to market and wait for it to sell.

Level 4 missions are really nice for the instant gratification crowd.

I'd recommend you expand your horizons though - if you're mostly interested in making ISK check out the Making ISK guide on the EVElopedia.

Phinger
Posted - 2011.07.08 02:54:00 - [4]
 

For saftey HI sec.....lvl 4 missions fast and easy.....but ISK per hour....for Hi sec ...Incursions.....get a good 10 man Vanguard fleet and they get rolling 50 million isk per hour is easy.

WH is potentially a gank fest....and the above you have to sell the stuff.......granted it works outmore ISK.

John Murdocch
Posted - 2011.07.08 04:27:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Mara Rinn
Edited by: Mara Rinn on 07/07/2011 04:50:15
The catch with doing w-space stuff is the delay between the work and getting the ISK in your wallet. You have to cooperate with corp mates, run a tight ship, get the product to market and wait for it to sell.

Level 4 missions are really nice for the instant gratification crowd.


This is a very valid point and you shouldn't ignore it ^^^

However, the simple answer to this question is that they are about equal. I ran Lvl 4's daily for about 9 months, and then lived in a C3 WH permanently for the next 6 months. I cleared all the sites solo in the WH that popped up every single day. C3's may look uber attractive, however, the income is VERY spotty. Some days you will make next to nothing - literally. Truthfully, the real cash from WH's comes from clearing random connecting WH's - not your home WH. Obviously though, that requires getting a lucky C3 connect that's full of sites. Making cash in WH's really boils down to how lucky you can get with fast site spawns and connects. If you don't count clearing connecting WH's, then Lvl 4's are easily the same income, if not more. They are also 100% readily available - so they're a completely reliable source of good income. WH's are not, despite what anyone will tell you. However, I'll admit that a good day in WH space can be a freakin gold mine. In the end, I assure you though - they are very very similar income.

Substantia Nigra
Posted - 2011.07.08 11:15:00 - [6]
 

I'm not in agreement with previous poster. I shifted from being a good mission runner into w-space. I solo-ran a C2, then a c3, and now a C4.

Even the C2 provided way more income than mission-running, short-term and long-term average. The C3 was the peak, and i am not earning as much in the C4 as i was in the C3 ... because less sites spawn here.

W-space is, however, way tougher. You need to be organised, able, and patient ... sometimes very patient. You also need to keep on top of things, learn new tricks, an carefull manage your system.

I do agree with previous poster re "spotty" nature of w-space site spawning. Unlike missions you have no guarantee that there'll be something there for you when you login. IDK about incursions. I haven't done any yet.


Garresh
Minmatar
Opposite of Low
Posted - 2011.07.08 12:52:00 - [7]
 

Agreed. W-space is better income, but the degree of skill, preparation, and mindfulness requires means that many inhabitants do not use their systems to the fullest extent. For a casual player or a bad player, w-space is not that great. If you work hard and play safe, you can reap some truly impressive rewards.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.08 17:36:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 08/07/2011 17:37:13
I agree with the posters above me.

Ninja'ing a C1 WH in a drake provides about as much income as hisec missioning for the average player.

Owning a C1 Wh provides more income if you do other things besides run the anomalies/radars/mags.

C2 WH is about the same as low sec missions...

and a C3 spawns a couple hundred million a day in sites.

You could make a couple hundred a day missioning too, but it would take WAY longer.

Some people claim to make a couple hundred million an hour doing missions. However, if you use their system for determining income over time, you make billions an hour in WH space.

For example, 3 of us killed an abandoned ship hangar. It dropped a Rokh, Orca, and Crow. Sold for 600 mil. It took 5 minutes total, there were 3 of us. Thats 2.4 bil an hour each using missioner math.

DemetRYS
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.08 18:31:00 - [9]
 

You could make the same argument against wh'ing. Namely that your figures are suited to the times when all hands are avalible to clear sites, or you're very active and utilizing a few accounts to do so yourself.

My experience is that nobody gives realistic estimates of their isk/hr. Mission runners have a key advantage over w-space'ers in that they're generally not far from a hub or they have a regular rout of logistics to bank on for convinence and extra isk-making via trading. WH residents get more lucrative short-term rewards with a higher inherent risk and have a bit more trouble with logistics.

It is seriously apples and oranges though. Much like asking where the "best pvp," is, there's not a universal answer. Low class w-space and missions are in a similar bracket, but that's about as far as I would go. Your own skills, time to play, and level of risk aversion will be a much bigger factor than some idiot's opinion here.

Tierius Fro
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:07:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Tierius Fro on 08/07/2011 19:07:08
I lived in a C1 by myself for a year. If you work everything the wormhole offers: camps, PI, gas reactions, mining, connecting systems, and work in some research and invention at your POS, then you certainly do make more than level 4 missions.

Tierius Fro
Posted - 2011.07.08 19:12:00 - [11]
 

To specifically answer your question ... which is that you want to scan for wormholes from empire, work them with your pimped-out BS, then probably level 4 missions will be better.

First, you have to find a WH that will accept a BS, then you have to find an unoccupied wormhole with plenty of sites to work, a wormhole class you can work solo.

chadbrochill17
Posted - 2011.07.08 22:25:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Garresh
Agreed. W-space is better income, but the degree of skill, preparation, and mindfulness requires means that many inhabitants do not use their systems to the fullest extent. For a casual player or a bad player, w-space is not that great. If you work hard and play safe, you can reap some truly impressive rewards.


He touches on my point. But, to put it in explicit terms, L4 missions in high-sec are (essentially) a risk-free venture, whereas anything you may be doing in a wormhole is not risk-free. Aside from the cost of ammunition, any gains from L4 missions are straight net profit. While any gains from your wormholing ventures will have (both long- and short-term) costs to take into account when determining exactly how profitable they are.

Marcus McTavish
Posted - 2011.07.09 02:13:00 - [13]
 

Level 4's get boring real quick.
And you only get good missions some of the time.
In my c3 i make about 120 million isk per hour.
+ PI, Gas clouds, mangnometric and radar sites, and ore actually worth mining.
It also gives me some downtime to try and pvp.

Altough it is rather lonely and you do have to watch dscan

More fun more isk more best

Barbarella Smith
Posted - 2011.07.09 19:57:00 - [14]
 

level 4 missions are a great isk maker, and wormholes are a great isk maker. the problem with wormholes is that you make lots of isk off loot and salvage and you move it to market and make your profit, and you rush back to your WH and a gang of tengus jumps you and you loose your ship just inside the hole. so now you're back where you started. Thats been my experience. Once you go down the wormhole, its just a matter of time til someone gets you. definately fun to do the cat and mouse thing, but if its isk you're after, stick with level 4's.ugh

Eru GoEller
Posted - 2011.07.12 03:34:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Barbarella Smith..........., but if its isk you're after, stick with level 4's.[:ugh:


May i suggest Incursions for that. Why? There's no other thing in EvE that will get you ISK as easy as doing Incursions. And if you can do lvl 4 missions you should be well qualified to do Incursions.
The sheer simplicity of it is mind boggling, bring a ship either a DPS or a logistics one, get into a fleet that suits your tanking capabilities shield or armor.
Do it 7hr's for a week and you will have something in the range of 350-700M ISK in your wallet, all depending on how good the fleets you get into are and if they stick to doing Vanguard sites.
Doing this for a whole month (28hrs) could bring you something like 1.4B-2.8B. Also you get the chance to meet ppl you never seen before.

Caren Patriach
Posted - 2011.07.12 03:52:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Eru GoEller
Originally by: Barbarella Smith..........., but if its isk you're after, stick with level 4's.[:ugh:


May i suggest Incursions for that. Why? There's no other thing in EvE that will get you ISK as easy as doing Incursions. And if you can do lvl 4 missions you should be well qualified to do Incursions.
The sheer simplicity of it is mind boggling, bring a ship either a DPS or a logistics one, get into a fleet that suits your tanking capabilities shield or armor.
Do it 7hr's for a week and you will have something in the range of 350-700M ISK in your wallet, all depending on how good the fleets you get into are and if they stick to doing Vanguard sites.
Doing this for a whole month (28hrs) could bring you something like 1.4B-2.8B. Also you get the chance to meet ppl you never seen before.




wow that hellish a lot. i wonder what type ship u use? btw, if i use logistic type ship, the loot will shared equally?

King Rothgar
Autocannons Anonymous
Posted - 2011.07.12 06:18:00 - [17]
 

Incursions have no loot, no salvage and no bounties. All isk is generated from the isk and LP rewards for completing a site. As such, all fleet members on grid get their share regardless of what they are in. So yes, logi pilots make just as much. That said soloing C3 wh's or getting into a pro group that runs C5/6's pays better. Obviously how often you get ganked and how good your logistics is will determine how much you make per hour. If you suck you'll make less, probably even lose isk. If you're good you'll make far more however.

The same is true of other low/null sec pve. Null sec missions/exploration pay better than anything in high sec. Low sec lvl5's also pay substantially better. But as with wh's it's determined not only by how fast you can complete the site/mission, it's also how often you die and how quickly you can haul your goodies to a trade hub. In any case, anyone who says high sec lvl4's are the best paying thing you can do is on something. In the grand scheme of things in game, they pay peanuts.

De BuG2
Rise on Chaos
The Fendahlian Collective
Posted - 2011.07.12 12:14:00 - [18]
 

If your willing to go to the trouble of finding a reasonable C5 WHing corp thats quite small then you can make the most isk/hr out of all the professions in the game. If you want to run solo im sure a nicely fitted and skilled ship can solo C3's, I've also heard of pimped tengu's soloing C4's. But yes, all WH's will provide alot more income than lvl 4's if you run them efficiently.


 

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