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Ms Loots
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:05:00 - [1]
 


Mandy Stafford
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:22:00 - [2]
 

US Jurisdiction in Iceland = 0

So no.

Izziee
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:39:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Ms Loots
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s112-978




can you explain this, I don't get stuff like that, especially since I'm not even from the US. What is it, who is it served to, why and what has it got to do with eve?


Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:42:00 - [4]
 

:USA:

Mandy Stafford
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:46:00 - [5]
 

http://thunderboltgames.com/features/article/take-a-stand-against-bill-s978-feature-for-all-none.html

So if CCP wanted to sue for posting videos of fleet fights I guess they could, but other than that, pretty much no relation to eve.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:47:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
:USA:


+1


Webby McWebberson
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:49:00 - [7]
 

if you are a DJ, they will get you....

Senlia Hucel-Ge
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:02:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Mandy Stafford
US Jurisdiction in Iceland = 0

So no.


Well, the US is currently trying it in Britain - a British student had a site with links to copied games/music/etc and the US now demands his extradition based on US law. Because the DNS server are in the US Laughing

Source: http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/35/35055/1.html (German, use translate).

Darth McDarth
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:13:00 - [9]
 

First, that title makes my head hurt.

Second, a bill regarding streaming copyrighted materials? Affect the forums? Really?

Third :USA: This coming from an American.

Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:16:00 - [10]
 

I'm pretty sure this changes diddly and squat.

Taedrin
Gallente
Kushan Industrial
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:22:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Taedrin on 06/07/2011 22:28:52
Edited by: Taedrin on 06/07/2011 22:26:04
Originally by: Mandy Stafford
US Jurisdiction in Iceland = 0

So no.


CCP does business internationally, so it is subject to (or can take advantage of) the laws of all countries they do business in.

EDIT:
From what I've heard, the above bill essentially says that any "digital performance" of copyrighted material is illegal. EVE is a copyrighted work, so any "digital performance" of EVE would therefore be subject to the above bill.

It means that PvP videos, Clear Skies, video tutorials, video reviews, etc... are considered copyright infringement. If the above bill goes into law, CCP could prosecute any of us who ever posted a video containing EVE content online.

EDIT2: not that they would do so. But there might be developers out there who would prosecute people who do video reviews that casts the game in a negative light, or prosecute people who post a "Let's Play" online. I should mention that the bill is INTENDED to be used against those who post music videos online or rip music and post it onto youtube.

Marabel Naari
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:21:00 - [12]
 

I doubt CCP would openly prosecute people who are providing them free advertising. Because that's what player videos are... its free advertising. Happy customers make videos, and show this to their friends and maybe their friend plays for 1 month before quitting. Yup.

It would mean that CCP would have to go after people, the government won't step in for them unless they start the ball rolling. Likely would have no effect on anything. Still though things regarding the internet tend to die in Congress.

Chuckles Beeshaw
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:39:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Chuckles Beeshaw on 06/07/2011 23:40:24
CCP will do the same thing mojang said they'll do... add a "special clause" to the TOS allowing anybody to upload videos of gameplay.
http://notch.tumblr.com/post/7152523035/bill-s-978

ccp wont restrict restrict videos.. eve is already hurtin... that would make it hurt more (but then again who knows, maybe they'll find a way to charge $100 for a video uploading licenseYARRRR!!)

Mintoko
Gallente
Taedium In Perpetuam
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:54:00 - [14]
 

I don't believe the U.S. has any right to demand extradition for something like that.

The proposed bill amendment is primarily designed for the prosecution of copyright infringement against the film and music industries. I don't see how it would apply to eve online or this forum.

I agree with the poster above that the subject causes headaches. I had to read it 3 or 4 times to figure out what you were asking. Very Happy
I recommend that it is changed to say, "Will this U.S. bill, if passed, affect the forums here?"

Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:55:00 - [15]
 

God bless America, land of the free.









Rolling Eyes

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:00:00 - [16]
 

USA is the only place in the world, where you can sue weapon manufacturer after realizing that sticking cruise missile up to your own b-hole wasn't that great idea afterall.

And hey! The hilarious part was that you could actually win in court if the user manual didn't clearly explaing products health hazards while used to above-mentioned purpose.


Jaroslav Unwanted
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:23:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
God bless America, land of the free.

Rolling Eyes


Heh, Land of the free

Established by slave-owners who wanted to be free. Talk about every man is equal except women, black and Indians.

Shocked

I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:26:00 - [18]
 

Looks like it's mainly for cover bands and stuff like that.

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:30:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
:USA:

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:30:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
God bless America, land of the free.

Rolling Eyes


Heh, Land of the free

Established by slave-owners who wanted to be free. Talk about every man is equal except women, black and Indians.

Shocked


and so many years later geography is still their weak-point and still think their country is East India :-)

Pyatera
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:44:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Mandy Stafford
http://thunderboltgames.com/features/article/take-a-stand-against-bill-s978-feature-for-all-none.html

So if CCP wanted to sue for posting videos of fleet fights I guess they could, but other than that, pretty much no relation to eve.

Since, such videos on youtube serve to advertise the game, I doubt they'll be looking for lawsuits.

Xiozor
THE PAROXYSM
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:48:00 - [22]
 

Things like gameplay videos and let's plays are brilliant sources of free advertising/viral marketing, if this passes wait and see every video game developer update their EULA.

Mintoko
Gallente
Taedium In Perpetuam
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:49:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Mintoko on 07/07/2011 00:53:51
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
USA is the only place in the world, where you can sue weapon manufacturer after realizing that sticking cruise missile up to your own b-hole wasn't that great idea afterall.


...here's your sign. Laughing


Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted
Originally by: Vice Admiral Spreadsheet
God bless America, land of the free.

Rolling Eyes


Heh, Land of the free

Established by slave-owners who wanted to be free. Talk about every man is equal except women, black and Indians.

Shocked


I don't understand why, when the subject of slavery comes up that it's always the United States that is held to the fire. Slavery was practiced all over the world for centuries and is still practiced today to some extent in Africa.

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
and so many years later geography is still their weak-point and still think their country is East India :-)



That has completely escaped me. Why would I or anyone else in this country believe that we're East India? That was Columbus, a Spaniard.

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:04:00 - [24]
 

I highly doubt this would get passed, and even if it did get passed it would hardly be enforced for several reasons:

1. The fact that attempting to trace the origin locations of anything on the internet to begin with is extremely difficult.
2. This is basically the corporate lobbyists trying to get the US government to save their clients time and money by forcing the govt. to hunt down semi-copyright abusers instead of, you know, ACTUAL CRIMINALS.
3. The average Joe who learns that his funny internet videos are now gone because of copyright infringement, and who can be arrested for data on his hard drive, is unlikely to vote for the asshat who does vote for this bill again.
4. If the copyright-stealer lives anywhere aside from the US the effort-reward ratio would be so low that most govt's wouldn't even bother helping the US.
5. Unless they're making or losing money, why would the corporations care about infringement?
6. It was only introduced, it's not exactly been ratified, and given the current mess that Congress is in I bet it will be shelved for several months while more important crap is enacted, and even then this is such a silly attemped violation of Free Speech and Fair Use rights that I don't honestly think it would be passed even if the proposing party had both houses.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:20:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Mintoko

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
and so many years later geography is still their weak-point and still think their country is East India :-)



That has completely escaped me. Why would I or anyone else in this country believe that we're East India? That was Columbus, a Spaniard.


Quote:

Established by slave-owners who wanted to be free. Talk about every man is equal except women, black and Indians.



Just a funny quirk that "Indians" still live in the Americas.

General Longkill
Helljumpers
White Noise.
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:34:00 - [26]
 

The US is increasingly becoming a government looking for any reason to fine or imprison an individual for some of the pettiest things the government can come up with to criminalize.

Most of these types of laws are money grabbers for the government to try and make up for a large budget shortfall, as well as appeasing to greedy corporate lobbyists that in turn, line the pockets of the so called, "public servants" with campaign contributions.

It's all about the Benjamens. Rolling Eyes

Kalen C'Fean
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:39:00 - [27]
 

Two words - 'fair use'. That is entirely unaffected. As such, reviews, etc, will still be entirely legal under the amended bill, even in the US.

Shani Khorme
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:41:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 06/07/2011 22:28:52
Edited by: Taedrin on 06/07/2011 22:26:04
Originally by: Mandy Stafford
US Jurisdiction in Iceland = 0

So no.


CCP does business internationally, so it is subject to (or can take advantage of) the laws of all countries they do business in.

EDIT:
From what I've heard, the above bill essentially says that any "digital performance" of copyrighted material is illegal. EVE is a copyrighted work, so any "digital performance" of EVE would therefore be subject to the above bill.

It means that PvP videos, Clear Skies, video tutorials, video reviews, etc... are considered copyright infringement. If the above bill goes into law, CCP could prosecute any of us who ever posted a video containing EVE content online.


Good luck for an Icelandic based company to sue anyone outside the US using US law.

The words "lauging stock" come to mind.

And if it comes to a point where US law becomes "international law" i can only imagine that the word "revolution" won't be far away.

Beelzebubz
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:50:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Beelzebubz on 07/07/2011 01:50:20
Originally by: Mintoko
I don't understand why, when the subject of slavery comes up that it's always the United States that is held to the fire. Slavery was practiced all over the world for centuries and is still practiced today to some extent in Africa.
[/quote



ummm its still practiced....everywhere

not legally, but its still practiced

so much for thinking mankind had become civilized, hahahahaha Laughing

Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:36:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Grey Stormshadow on 07/07/2011 04:46:44
Originally by: Shani Khorme

And if it comes to a point where US law becomes "international law" i can only imagine that the word "revolution" won't be far away.


No no no and NO! Revolution is not an option. Let me explain to you why...

US law is like giant forum troll which is slowly driving everyone insane. It has answer to every question and can justify unjustified actions to become justified unjustified actions without any problem at all.

US law is there to milk money from those who make money to make money for those who milk money from those who make money. It is also there to protect the ones who need protection from people who are protected by law which they are not willing to follow. When you combine these 2 facts, you get criminals stealing your money and not getting convicted, because facts were with you, but he had your money and more expensive lawyer. This is a fact and can not be proven false(!)!11.

Now... if you live in USA, you should prolly think about moving to Iceland. I heard that there is some very cheap hillside properties available at the moment. Constant floor heating and occasional lava attractions belong to the prices. Area offers free hot water and very limited air trafic. EvE fanfest is near and buyers get free nonflammable box of carebeer for supporting Icelandic convernment at these hard times.

Now you are probably thinking - what did this have to do with the US law becoming "international law" or why there can not be revolution to counter that? Has this guy totally lost it, like mental hospital case of some kind - or more like the mental sort of worst mental kinds there are? Well... the short answer is yes not yet, but yet let me still explain.

If we pretend that you moved to Iceland anyways and bought that nice hillside hut from center of the volcano. Would it be nice to know that Iceland, with all your weath and iskies burning in lava stream, has working US justice department, where Icelandic covernment is waiting to hear your claims. Obviously you could use lawyer, but as you're broke and shot missiles towards goonies capitalblob in game, getting one doesn't look very promising.

Thankfully CCP and Icelandic government have made arrangement which allows your kind of people to make deal to avoid jail, legal fees and perhaps even help you to get enough money for plane ticket back to USA. Afterall you did burn your house and went for the insurance scam (logs don't lie). Anyways that is how you end up signing up 10 year contract to become EvE Online's volunteer 23,5/7 rookie channel q&a person.

As u can see... Revolution is not an answer. It would just hurt those new players who only want to ask: "why is that red cross blinking in my overview?"


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