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Konun Tsero
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:30:00 - [1]
 

as title I would like to know which of these two makes the better railgun platform for lvling from playing around in EFT I have found that the tengu can field a better tank but the Proteus dose bait more damage but overall I don't know which would be the better railgun platform .


ps.yes I know a missile tengu is better than them both but I am not a fan of missile combat.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:53:00 - [2]
 

Neither.
Medium rails are horrid for missions.

If you absolutely want to go that route, get an Ishtar or an Astarte instead.

ThirdEyeBlenny
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:55:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: ThirdEyeBlenny on 06/07/2011 13:56:50
I have never flown the Proteus so I don't know much about that boat, but as a long term Tengu pilot I can tell you that you really don't want to be messing about with rails. Fit lasers instead and wtfpwn L4 missions, particularily in Sansha/Blood Raiders space.

Try the fit below, beats the Legion at its own game!



[Tengu, LASERBEAMS OOOOHHHH!!!]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

5x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
2x Shield Boost Amplifier II
2x Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

4x Imperial Navy Heat Sink

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I



Cataca
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:36:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Cataca on 06/07/2011 14:37:17
Originally by: ThirdEyeBlenny
Edited by: ThirdEyeBlenny on 06/07/2011 13:56:50
I have never flown the Proteus so I don't know much about that boat, but as a long term Tengu pilot I can tell you that you really don't want to be messing about with rails. Fit lasers instead and wtfpwn L4 missions, particularily in Sansha/Blood Raiders space.

Try the fit below, beats the Legion at its own game!



[Tengu, LASERBEAMS OOOOHHHH!!!]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

5x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
2x Shield Boost Amplifier II
2x Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

4x Imperial Navy Heat Sink

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I





Why would you even get a tengu for that? Pretty much any unbonused gunship with 5/6/4 slots can do the same. (minus tank, but last i looked the rats dont warp off in boredom because you have such a pimp tank)

Your fit made baby jesus cry.

MeBiatch
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:00:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Cataca
Edited by: Cataca on 06/07/2011 14:37:17
Originally by: ThirdEyeBlenny
Edited by: ThirdEyeBlenny on 06/07/2011 13:56:50
I have never flown the Proteus so I don't know much about that boat, but as a long term Tengu pilot I can tell you that you really don't want to be messing about with rails. Fit lasers instead and wtfpwn L4 missions, particularily in Sansha/Blood Raiders space.

Try the fit below, beats the Legion at its own game!



[Tengu, LASERBEAMS OOOOHHHH!!!]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

5x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
2x Shield Boost Amplifier II
2x Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

4x Imperial Navy Heat Sink

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I





Why would you even get a tengu for that? Pretty much any unbonused gunship with 5/6/4 slots can do the same. (minus tank, but last i looked the rats dont warp off in boredom because you have such a pimp tank)

Your fit made baby jesus cry.


you do know that babies cry lots right?

Aubrey Maturin
Parabellum Diligentia
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:14:00 - [6]
 

He didnt say just any baby, he said baby Jesus. That fit makes baby Jesus cry.

ThirdEyeBlenny
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Aubrey Maturin
He didnt say just any baby, he said baby Jesus. That fit makes baby Jesus cry.


Your kidding me are you not? If the son of god plays Eve, he would definately be playing in a laser Tengu, and his killboard would be full of against-all-odds solo kills.




Konun Tsero
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:43:00 - [8]
 

wow looks like my thread got eaten by trolls

Raknarg Valklear
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:47:00 - [9]
 

proteus is better rail platform because of sub's that support hybrids guns better,considering that tanking lvl 4 is hardly a issue there you go.

but tengu will outperform it by a light year if used with missiles.

Telon Ur
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:52:00 - [10]
 

Edited by: Telon Ur on 06/07/2011 17:52:09
Originally by: Konun Tsero
wow looks like my thread got eaten by christians


fyp

Llambda
Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:56:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Konun Tsero



ps.yes I know a missile tengu is better than them both but I am not a fan of missile combat.


Yeah, me neither. Being effective is for pussies. That's why I only mission in a Badger Mk I.

Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:21:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Telon Ur
Edited by: Telon Ur on 06/07/2011 17:52:09
Originally by: Konun Tsero
wow looks like my thread got eaten by christians


fyp



Same difference imo

ThirdEyeBlenny
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:42:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Gorki Andropov
Originally by: Telon Ur
Edited by: Telon Ur on 06/07/2011 17:52:09
Originally by: Konun Tsero
wow looks like my thread got eaten by christians


fyp



Same difference imo



Your hair looks like a huge blob of Nutella that has been hardened in the sun, or possibly by laser beams from christ's Tengu, in retribution for your lack of faith.




Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:44:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Neither.
Medium rails are horrid for missions.

If you absolutely want to go that route, get an Ishtar or an Astarte instead.


an istart or astarte would require that she speed tank the mission.


If she gets a proteus and uses the adaptive augmenter subsystem with some armor hardeners then she will be able to just go afk.


Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:47:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
an istart or astarte would require that she speed tank the mission.
No, they tank L4s just fine as it is. The Ishtar, in particular, is famous for tanking L5s with little effort…

Obvious Forum Troll
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:31:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Xenuria
an istart or astarte would require that she speed tank the mission.
No, they tank L4s just fine as it is. The Ishtar, in particular, is famous for tanking L5s with little effort…


Incorrect. Anyone with a basic knowledge of tanking knows that the only way you can get an Ishtar to tank even a level 4 is nano-fit. Some good fits also use a little armor buffer and some armor rep drones just in case.

RC Denton
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Konun Tsero
as title I would like to know which of these two makes the better railgun platform for lvling from playing around in EFT I have found that the tengu can field a better tank but the Proteus dose bait more damage but overall I don't know which would be the better railgun platform .


ps.yes I know a missile tengu is better than them both but I am not a fan of missile combat.


I'll echo another post and say rail or blaster fit astarte. Much cheaper and it'll work better.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.06 20:50:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Obvious Forum Troll
Incorrect. Anyone with a basic knowledge of tanking knows that the only way you can get an Ishtar to tank even a level 4 is nano-fit. Some good fits also use a little armor buffer and some armor rep drones just in case.
Post matches name.
Humour. Laughing

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.06 21:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Obvious Forum Troll
Incorrect. Anyone with a basic knowledge of tanking knows that the only way you can get an Ishtar to tank even a level 4 is nano-fit. Some good fits also use a little armor buffer and some armor rep drones just in case.
Post matches name.
Humour. Laughing


I think the irony is lost on you... The point is that people like you with normal names do all the trolling and the people with troll names post actual factual information.

Ishtar CAN tank level 4s.. It could tank level 5s but it would require alot of work on part of the pilot.

Most people want minimal effort so they buy a proteus and fit it with hardeners.


[01:32:07] Xenuria > 01:31:58 Combat Hammerhead II hits EoM Crusader for 372 damage (Wrecking!)
[01:35:13] Xenuria > 01:35:03 Combat EoM Death Knight hits you for 1 damage

Case and point...

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.07.06 22:03:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Ishtar CAN tank level 4s.. It could tank level 5s but it would require alot of work on part of the pilot.
If by "a lot of work" you mean "sitting still, being half-afk" then yes.
And L4s don't even begin to test the limits of its tank…
Quote:
Most people want minimal effort so they buy a proteus and fit it with hardeners.
If they'll want minimal effort, the Ishtar wins anyway. Zero-effort tank and AFK weaponry > effort tank and weapons you need to control.

Cataca
Posted - 2011.07.07 03:02:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Obvious Forum Troll
Incorrect. Anyone with a basic knowledge of tanking knows that the only way you can get an Ishtar to tank even a level 4 is nano-fit. Some good fits also use a little armor buffer and some armor rep drones just in case.
Post matches name.
Humour. Laughing


I think the irony is lost on you... The point is that people like you with normal names do all the trolling and the people with troll names post actual factual information.

Ishtar CAN tank level 4s.. It could tank level 5s but it would require alot of work on part of the pilot.

Most people want minimal effort so they buy a proteus and fit it with hardeners.


[01:32:07] Xenuria > 01:31:58 Combat Hammerhead II hits EoM Crusader for 372 damage (Wrecking!)
[01:35:13] Xenuria > 01:35:03 Combat EoM Death Knight hits you for 1 damage

Case and point...


Honestly, the only way the ishtars tank could be less effort would be if it went to your house and made you your sandwich while you are afk, waiting for the drones to clear everything out.

Since there are obvious issues with that, the ishatar not heaving arms and all, i will go with "there is no way in hell the ishtars tank can require any less effort than it currently does".

There is no pilot skill at all involved.

Fakeedit: Oh, its xenuria. Hows that ungangable guardian vexor coming along. Trololololol

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:46:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Tippia
Neither.
Medium rails are horrid for missions.

If you absolutely want to go that route, get an Ishtar or an Astarte instead.


an istart or astarte would require that she speed tank the mission.


If she gets a proteus and uses the adaptive augmenter subsystem with some armor hardeners then she will be able to just go afk.

-Liang




fixed.

Also back on topic, could try fitting a MWD to the proteus and blasters instead of rails?

Konun Tsero
Posted - 2011.07.07 07:01:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Konun Tsero on 07/07/2011 07:03:30
Didn't think u could use MWD in deadspace

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.07 07:27:00 - [24]
 

You can in missions now

Sheila Sarani
Posted - 2011.07.07 21:29:00 - [25]
 

Both will work but why you want to spend 3+ hours in missions slowly killing rats? Some new masochistic trend?

Kastsumi Kobayariel
Posted - 2011.07.08 02:36:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: ThirdEyeBlenny

[Tengu, LASERBEAMS OOOOHHHH!!!]
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node
Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Tengu Offensive - Magnetic Infusion Basin
Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst

5x Heavy Pulse Laser II (Scorch M)

Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster
2x Shield Boost Amplifier II
2x Invulnerability Field II
Cap Recharger II

4x Imperial Navy Heat Sink

2x Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I





This fit owns. You own.

Barbarella Smith
Posted - 2011.07.08 18:06:00 - [27]
 

railguns on a tengu? wa what? the tengu gets bonuses for kinetic missile damage, bonuses for rate of fire and is a hot knife thru warm butter level 4 missioning ship. to gimp it with railguns suggests to me sir, that you work in a carnival.

Vins Chicago
Gallente
Regent Laboratories
Posted - 2011.07.09 03:09:00 - [28]
 

Torpedo Tengu. Duh.

Faihra
Posted - 2011.07.09 06:50:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Faihra on 09/07/2011 07:40:38
Hi there Konun,
you can fly a Tengu with Rails, but you will get some problems in level 4 missions.

1. Tracking little frigs
2. Most People fly T3-Ships for completing Missions faster than normal, otherwise you dont have an effective missile-boat
3. Even if you master Tailgu level 4 Missioning, you can't possibly discuss that on a normal grown-up level here. Ingame the language even gets more odd about Hybrid Tengus.

I am interested in Hybrid Tengu too... but for all my calculations Railguns dont get the DPS a t3 should have in level 4s to be useful, the other possibility would be Blasters, but to reach the damage you have with Heavy Missiles you have to stay in a 15km~ range around your enemies... while the missiles can shoot up to your max track distance...

But all is not lost, we should look at another Point: we are looking at DPS here.. DPS scores from EFT. The important point in EFT is, youre loosing dps ... youre never doing your full dps with missiles... or almost never.

So whats left is just to try it... but you need to have a good plan for that, if you loose that railtengu bc you couldnt kill the 4 webifier frigs that orbitted you at 5 km range you will be seriously ****ed off. ^^

Here is another Thought:
> Try to use smaller medium Rails; there are three Sizes for a reason, and the only real Difference is their optimal base range and tracking. and since Railguns have a good optimal range and the Tengu gets a 100% bonus, you can use Smaller rails, that use lesser cap and lesser grid, track better and do only a little lesser dps then the bigger ones.
> Dont use weapons lower than meta 5, if you do, youre not using a t3 right

I am flying my tengu with t2 heavy missiles atm and it works fine. I am willing to try the hybrid subsystem soon, but hadnt got the time so far.

i hope i helped you a little.

with regards


Jitoru

Naomi Knight
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.09 07:59:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Naomi Knight on 09/07/2011 08:00:05
Originally by: Tippia
Neither.
Medium rails are horrid for missions.

If you absolutely want to go that route, get an Ishtar or an Astarte instead.

this

buff rails, forget them until they are boosted and suspend account

btw tengu hybrid guns mod is the ****test t3 mod in the game



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