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Antraman
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:15:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 14:06:54
Originally by: Antraman

Well if the 3rd party developer had a paypal donate button on their site, it is clearly accepting donations, and if there is no links or buttons for donations then the developer couldn't be accused of accepting donations...


Imagine I don't like your free site. I therefore transfer you 100 million ISK, take a screenshot of it, send it to CCP.

You've just received a donation of 100 million ISK and need to lawyer up.

I think that was the way Chribba argumented concerning that issue.


I think the issue is "soliciting" donations...

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:29:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
You've just defended CCP on THIRTEEN MAJOR ****UPS in the last months. Thirteen...

No, I have attempted to correct flawed reasoning and rampant paranoia on your part.
That you interpret that as 'defending CCP' almost proves the validity of my post over yours.

Allow me to patronize you some more by speaking to you on the level I think you are:
Games are not like Macaroni'n'Cheese where you can add stuff and get a perfect result every time.
Games are not like Macaroni'n'Cheese, they grow stale if new ingredients are not added.

Want some more? Just getting warm here.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:38:00 - [63]
 

I'm sorry, I must have made the impression that I actually read what you posted earlier. I was just seeing the wall of text with numbers next to it so I was assuming you were defending CCP as everyone else does who answers to my initial post point by point trying to disprove facts.

I apologize.

Important Person
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:39:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I'm sorry, I must have made the impression that I actually read what you posted earlier. I was just seeing the wall of text with numbers next to it so I was assuming you were defending CCP as everyone else does who answers to my initial post point by point trying to disprove facts.

I apologize.


Nice trollin bro.

I'm impressed.

Now run along you lil scamp.

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:40:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
I'm sorry, I must have made the impression that I actually read what you posted earlier. I was just seeing the wall of text with numbers next to it so I was assuming you were defending CCP as everyone else does who answers to my initial post point by point trying to disprove facts.

I apologize.


Arh, so everybody who disagrees with you is defending CCP and is wrong.

Perhaps we are not so much defending CCP as showing how incredibly wrong you are?

oh by the way.. why are still here playing Eve if the game is bad and CCP are so evil?

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:50:00 - [66]
 

CCP should shut down these forums until all the whining snivellers are gone. They are old, tired, boring. Things change, this is life. Adapt or quit.

I can hardly wait until I can buy Skill Points....

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:51:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Prince Kobol

oh by the way.. why are still here playing Eve if the game is bad and CCP are so evil?
I'm not playing the game. I've sold my toons and now I'm waiting for my game time to run out. Why would any sane person still play EVE?

Hakkar'al Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:39:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Prince Kobol

oh by the way.. why are still here playing Eve if the game is bad and CCP are so evil?
I'm not playing the game. I've sold my toons and now I'm waiting for my game time to run out. Why would any sane person still play EVE?


Because they don't agree with your "truth"?

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:44:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 15:45:39
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente
Because they don't agree with your "truth"?
They don't need to agree with it. It's the truth, thus it's not really phased by people not agreeing with it.

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:46:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: Zhula Guixgrixks on 06/07/2011 15:47:31
yarrah!

People of Motsu just don't care but good post anyway


Storm X4
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:49:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: Storm X4 on 06/07/2011 15:55:51
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 14:16:17 Removed bunch of mumbojumbo wall of text!



Heres some tips, turn off CQ if your GPU is that crappy or go buy a ATI graphics card, mine is 40C on AIR with 2 clients up at max settings in CQ, btw its a $150 video card. Rolling Eyes

Turrets have never been so awesome.

Nex is for rich people, move along, nobody is forcing you to buy any of it. Razz So don't buy anything there. Doesn't and never will change game play. No point in crying over it.

Also, U Mad Bro?! Surprised

Hakkar'al Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:52:00 - [72]
 

I instinctively distrust anyone purporting to know the only correct "truth". As in "they don't have to agree, it's the truth". I've seen this kind of people on other forums - it like a fanatic cult and thus totally pointless debating the thread.

I place those in the same category as doom sayers preaching the end of the world tbh.

Please go away?

Prime
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:59:00 - [73]
 

I agree that most of the 13 points here are valid.

However, I could care less what price ccp wants to sell vanity stuff... for all i care, they could make it $1000 usd.

I personally will not do vanity...

CCP gets my $ for my game time, and if that is ruined by the many other points (esp ship bonuses broken bug, and stuff like that, which is too common), then I stop playing, and stop paying.

To be honest, I'm glad the whiners are whining about vanity stuff... I'd rather those people NOT play eve ;)

MT or AUR should never break sandbox industry/mechanics of eve, if it does, I will quit at that time. I won't quit now, because it has not happened.


Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:59:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 15:45:39
Originally by: Hakkar'al Gallente
Because they don't agree with your "truth"?
They don't need to agree with it. It's the truth, thus it's not really phased by people not agreeing with it.


Who's truth.. Your Truth, CCP's Truth, My Truth, There Truth?

Divineo Avataria
Red Federation
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:12:00 - [75]
 

With regards to Incarna "melting" graphics cards, I'd like to point out that if any application causes overheating it's a sign of an improperly configured PC.

If you installed your graphics card yourself, it means you purchased a card that's too powerful for the amount of air your case can pull through. If your system came preconfigured and is overheating it means you've purchased a faulty system.

Anyone who's experiencing issues with temperature should run Prime95 for a few hours to test their CPU and then run FurMark for 15-30m or so to test their GPU. Graphics cards aren't usually designed to run something as demanding as FurMark for extended periods so if your card can handle 30m of FurMark, it can handle anything!

If either Prime95 or FurMark cause a fail or system crash / reboot, you've got a cooling issue.

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:15:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Divineo Avataria
With regards to Incarna "melting" graphics cards, I'd like to point out that if any application causes overheating it's a sign of an improperly configured PC.

If you installed your graphics card yourself, it means you purchased a card that's too powerful for the amount of air your case can pull through. If your system came preconfigured and is overheating it means you've purchased a faulty system.

Anyone who's experiencing issues with temperature should run Prime95 for a few hours to test their CPU and then run FurMark for 15-30m or so to test their GPU. Graphics cards aren't usually designed to run something as demanding as FurMark for extended periods so if your card can handle 30m of FurMark, it can handle anything!

If either Prime95 or FurMark cause a fail or system crash / reboot, you've got a cooling issue.



YOU LIE....

This was the Evil and insidious CCP's and Nvidia's plan all along to rid people of their ATI Cards...

Next stop..

THE WORLD !!!!!!!!

Muhahahahaha

Ramma Lamma DingDong
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:26:00 - [77]
 

This just in.

OP beats dead horse.

Film at eleven.

Can we please move on to the next stupid storm in a teapot? So bored with this one.

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:29:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Ramma Lamma DingDong
This just in.

OP beats dead horse.

Film at eleven.

Can we please move on to the next stupid storm in a teapot? So bored with this one.


You mean

OP ****ed a dead horse :)

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:29:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Ramma Lamma DingDong
This just in.

OP beats dead horse.

Film at eleven.

Can we please move on to the next stupid storm in a teapot? So bored with this one.
Would you please confirm that you just bumped a thread that you would like to see disappear from the first page of this forum?

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:31:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Prince Kobol
Originally by: Ramma Lamma DingDong
This just in.

OP beats dead horse.

Film at eleven.

Can we please move on to the next stupid storm in a teapot? So bored with this one.


You mean

OP ****ed a dead horse :)
I'm pretty sure there's a section in the TOS that spells trouble for you.

Hesperius
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:46:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
9. Leaking an internal newsletter which states that CCP sees players as golden geese.

They did not say the players were Golden Geese, they said Eve is a Golden Goose.

So many people confuse the "Golden Goose" with "The Goose That Layed the Golden Eggs", its not as offensive if you make that mistake. The Golden Goose is a goose with gold feathers that if you touched it, you could not let go. ******, opium and crack are some real world examples of a "Golden Goose".

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.06 16:52:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Hesperius

They did not say the players were Golden Geese, they said Eve is a Golden Goose.

So many people confuse the "Golden Goose" with "The Goose That Layed the Golden Eggs", its not as offensive if you make that mistake. The Golden Goose is a goose with gold feathers that if you touched it, you could not let go. ******, opium and crack are some real world examples of a "Golden Goose".

Now here's the really mind-bender: Hilmar, for certain, meant "The Goose That Layed the Golden Eggs" too. He wasn't talking about touching our feathers (eew), but how he could pluck them -- and indefinitely, at that.

+1 for the interesting FYI, though.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:08:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 17:09:18
I think the 'don't listen to what they say, react to what they do' attitude is what makes the discussion about how Hilmar meant it obsolete.
I don't care if the leaked email was 'pep talk' and it the leaked newsletter was fake. The fact alone that there are people working in leading positions at CCP who write this dreck to be read by other employees is eye opening.

Hesperius
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:35:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Now here's the really mind-bender: Hilmar, for certain, meant "The Goose That Layed the Golden Eggs" too. He wasn't talking about touching our feathers (eew), but how he could pluck them -- and indefinitely, at that.

+1 for the interesting FYI, though.


It isn't a mind-bender at all.

Originally by: "Fearless Newsletter"

And it couldn’t come at a better time. As EVE edges closer to being the
grand dame of gaming, turning 8 years old this month, and our other
game titles continue their prodigious growth (yes, World of Darkness too
– you got the t-shirt to prove it), our development road map is shaping up
stronger and better. However, as a subscription based golden goose, EVE
needs to incorporate the virtual goods sales model to allow for further
revenue
– revenue to fund our other titles, revenue for its developer: you.
The model also supports the notion of creating a meaningful experience
and identity for the player (more in our main feature on page 4).

It wasn't in the email, it was in the newsletter. It wasn't calling the players something you couldn't let go of, it was calling the game something the players couldn't let go of. You going to pull the wool over your own eyes?

Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.07.06 17:52:00 - [85]
 

too many CCP alts.

good thread imo, keeping it bumped. you forgot to add another reason why people are upset: old, broken features are not being touched; there is nothing on the horizon regarding FW, nullsec, ship and cap balancing.

Eru GoEller
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:26:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Prince Kobol
To counter a couple of points...

1-12 blablabla
Actions matter not words :)

So why aren't there any action that fixes what is obvisiously broken? Just take large fleet fights as an example.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:30:00 - [87]
 

Originally by: Hungry Eyes
too many CCP alts.

good thread imo, keeping it bumped. you forgot to add another reason why people are upset: old, broken features are not being touched; there is nothing on the horizon regarding FW, nullsec, ship and cap balancing.
Added that to the list.

Yarrrrrhh
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:42:00 - [88]
 

I've also removed the Golden Goose reference because it is simply not stated exactly like that in the newsletter. Replaced with "I shop therefore I am" which IS in the newsletter.

Garreth Vlox
Minmatar
Obsidian Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:43:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Syphon Lodian
You mean, why You are upset, and why a very small minority in the community are "upset"?

That same minority which is by and large still playing, just whining on the forums looking for attention?



lol, spoken like a true noob

Eru GoEller
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:46:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Storm X4
Edited by: Storm X4 on 06/07/2011 15:55:51
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Edited by: Yarrrrrhh on 06/07/2011 14:16:17 Removed bunch of mumbojumbo wall of text!



Heres some tips, turn off CQ if your GPU is that crappy or go buy a ATI graphics card, mine is 40C on AIR with 2 clients up at max settings in CQ, btw its a $150 video card. Rolling Eyes

Turrets have never been so awesome.

Nex is for rich people, move along, nobody is forcing you to buy any of it. Razz So don't buy anything there. Doesn't and never will change game play. No point in crying over it.

Also, U Mad Bro?! Surprised

So, if i've this or better and still have performance issues with the game i should turn of a feature i paid for?
System requirements for EVE Online

And, in what way does the turret features enhance the gameplay versus skills not applying until a relogin?


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