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JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:05:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: JC Anderson on 05/07/2011 12:05:17
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Amended member count 3.


....ECM....Tracking disruptors....Hell anything! I don't care what they are flying. Given the right setup you should be fine considering that you outnumber them to such an extent.

Use the right ammo, manually fly to make sure you are harder to hit while closing in. Learn turret mechanics in order to use them to their full effectiveness.

Well, unless we are talking super carriers.

But besides that, and most of all, DO NOT THINK that just because they are flying battleships that you need to be flying them as well to defeat them.

Daedalus II
Helios Research
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:08:00 - [152]
 

If you have 8 people available:
Get two into blackbirds (with reasonable skills they can easily reach 80 km).
Get one into an execuror set up for remote repping.
Get the rest into thoraxes with full pvp blaster setup (see battleclinic).

Run missions. It's fun as hell to run lvl 4 missions with low level cruisers in a group with repair backup. If your wartarget shows up, jam him and utterly destroy him (he won't get a single lock). If he doesn't show up you are still having fun running lvl 4 missions.

Business as usual more or less.

TravisWB
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:47:00 - [153]
 

Eh, just disband your corp and join a real corp that has a real alliance.

Small, casual noob carebear corps shed the sweetest of all tears to the impotent carebear pirates that infest hisec.

Until you learn to pvp and have a gang of mates to run with, you are just fruit to be picked.

This is a game about killing. You don't have to kill anybody but 4 out of 5 people will try to kill you EVERYTIME they get the chance.

'Welcome to EVE' Neutral

Mr Gunzales
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:52:00 - [154]
 

If needed get a hold of me ingame :)

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:59:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: Khanh'rhh
Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 05/07/2011 11:51:40
Originally by: ACY GTMI
OP, one thing I can't figure out is what your final considered approach to the problem would be. Are you going to follow the totally unrealistic suggestions above, or are you going to deal with it intelligently?


Confirming that suggesting PVP in a PVP-centric game is "unrealistic"

Taking advice from someone whose PVP record is being ganked twice? Who makes an alliance just to help themselves hide from wardecs? That's unrealistic.




This is no more a PvP-centric game than any other kind. The game is what you make it. You seem to have decided to help make a toilet out of it.

How does an alliance prevent war decs? I really want to know.

Gee, If I'd known people would think I was a coward for forming an alliance I could have skipped all those skills and studied dead-end PvP.

HellGate fr
Yarrbear Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:11:00 - [156]
 

What is your corp Cosmic ?

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.07.05 15:23:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: ACY GTMI
This is no more a PvP-centric game than any other kind


But it is though, isn't it? Name me another MMO whose sole basis is the "sandbox" ... the same sandbox that allows non-consensual PVP anywhere.

If you need any more proof, read the mission statements and dev blogs CCP have put out over the years.

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How does an alliance prevent war decs? I really want to know


You're either completely stupid, or you're a troll. You know too well it increases the cost of declaring war. Why else set up an alliance (cost: 1 billion plus upkeep) for 11 players? Who one can readily assume are your alts?

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I could have skipped all those skills and studied dead-end PvP


Explain how PvP is "dead end" when you're a miner in part; the career in Eve with the lowest reward and shortest train-time to maximum skills?

Achmebenzadream
Minmatar
Havoc Violence and Chaos
Merciless.
Posted - 2011.07.05 15:50:00 - [158]
 

You really shouldn't have posted this thread, drawing attention to yourself and your corp will only get you decced again.

But imho you shouldn't have started a player corp if you don't know how to lead the players in the difficult times.
I remember being a 4 month old char and the hisec corp i was in got decced, it was an exciting time because I knew we had players who could fight and we adapted accordingly.
You should join a FW alliance and learn to fight.
Just stay docked for now and he'll go away in a week.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.05 16:12:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Not trolling.

*snip*

..but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle.


confirmed troll

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.05 17:21:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Khanh'rhh
Originally by: ACY GTMI
This is no more a PvP-centric game than any other kind


But it is though, isn't it? Name me another MMO whose sole basis is the "sandbox" ... the same sandbox that allows non-consensual PVP anywhere.

If you need any more proof, read the mission statements and dev blogs CCP have put out over the years.

Quote:
How does an alliance prevent war decs? I really want to know


You're either completely stupid, or you're a troll. You know too well it increases the cost of declaring war. Why else set up an alliance (cost: 1 billion plus upkeep) for 11 players? Who one can readily assume are your alts?

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I could have skipped all those skills and studied dead-end PvP


Explain how PvP is "dead end" when you're a miner in part; the career in Eve with the lowest reward and shortest train-time to maximum skills?


This is getting interesting.

Sandbox my *ss. CCP has provided us with a small virtual universe to allow us to show that we have learned something since we have moved out of the cave. Apparently not good enough for you.

My heart bleeds purple panther p*ss for you poor griefers who have to pay extra to war dec an alliance. Seriously, I feel sorry for you.

I set up an alliance of my own because I have been a member of several, and every one of them sucked because of people like you. If mine sucks too, I only have myself to blame, but so far I am happy with it.

I have 12 active characters. 9 of them are members of alliance corps. The other two alliance characters belong to my mining buddy, who is inactive at the moment.

If mining is such a poor choice, how do I afford all the ships, and the alliance? People who know zip about mining should keep their mouths shut about it.

Infinity Ziona
Minmatar
Cloakers
Posted - 2011.07.05 17:42:00 - [161]
 

Against 1 person who knows what they are doing even a few hundred man indy corp or alliance has no chance. Its just a side effect of the mechanics of the game.

ECM, traps, ganks wont work because of how easy it is to avoid combat and because you can stay logged in 23/7. Lets say I declare war on your 200 man alliance. I stay logged in, to trap me you will need to sit there all day until I log on. When I do, I do locates on your online members, without acceptting I can determine how close to me all of you members are within a minute or less.

On the other hand when I am actually at the computer one or more of your members has certainly gotten frustrated with waiting and started mining, missioning or hauling. Its a simple matter of locating, alt scouting, and ganking him then going dormant again or easily avoiding the slow uncordinated counter gank. Rinse repeat forever.

Nak hak
Posted - 2011.07.05 18:38:00 - [162]
 

A little real life leadership experience goes a long way in this game. More valuable then any in games skills, and anything in ones hanger(CQ).

Fight | Run | Disband | Quit




Saul Khaladran
Aideron Robotics
Posted - 2011.07.05 18:41:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Saul Khaladran on 05/07/2011 18:41:28
Play smart, play safe. Have a protocol that all members must follow in wartime. Only undock in a pvp ship. Travel in groups. Fly what you can afford to lose. If you have no PVP experience learn from your mistakes. This isn't harassment its how the game goes.

Henrica Gaufridus
Posted - 2011.07.05 18:55:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players.


A small group, fitted proper, can take out any single person regardless of the ship he/she is flying (unless it's a cap, at least).

1. Jammer (a blackbird works just fine in this role, try and tailor the jammers to the ship he's flying. Jam him before he can target you and sic his drones on you)
2. Interceptor (with web and scrams)
3. NOS-ship (use a Curse if you can)
4. Damage Dealer (though without cap he'll be helpless, having some extra firepower doesn't hurt) like a BC or somesuch.

The trick is getting him to actually fight at that point. Until then: DON'T LET YOUR GUYS RUN MISSIONS ALONE WHEN THE GUY IS ONLINE. Lone mission-runners/ratters are easy prey for empire wardec corps, it's what they live off of. Have them all add the offending party to their contacts so they can see if he's on or not. When he signs on, dock up immediately, then form a group. Then you've got to tempt him to fight.

Aside from fighting him back, the options are:

1. Pay his ransom. I haven't read the whole thread, so I have no idea if he's asked for one, nor how much it is.
2. Disband and reform corporation. He might just wardec the new one, though.
3. Look under the "Other Wars" tab under Corporation. See if he's warring with anyone else. Make contact with them, see if you can organize an effective defense. It's only one guy.

This stuff has probably already all been suggested, but hey. I'd personally help out, but my non-industrial alt is kinda stuck in nullsec for another 15 days.

Inanna NiKunni
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:50:00 - [165]
 

Edited by: Inanna NiKunni on 05/07/2011 19:51:38
CT

I will give you some general advice, i understand you guys don't have a lot of experience and its time for you to start accumulating some. when it comes to fighting, sounds like you guys don't stand a chance. so concentrate on evading him.

watch local, if you see him in local dock or warp to a safe spot
make and use safe spots and insta undocks
assign some of your guys on scout duty, have them watch systems next door.
minimize losses, if you keep giving him kills he will keep hunting you.
think of the whole thing as a learning experience, learn how to evade your enemies first, then learn how to kill them.

also its very common for those guys to have an alt in your corp.

Druadan
Syrus Speculations
Posted - 2011.07.05 19:58:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players.


Fight back and do it smart. Stick together, fit cheap ships, and learn to fight. Best case, they think they've accidentally wardecced a corp with experience, and thus cancel the wardec. Worst case, you lose, you learn.

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:18:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
@Holy One
Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that?

Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies.


Fight or quit...I was leaning towards fight theres 10 of you...then this post...quit.


I'll be more clear about my own intentions next time I post here. I get that EVE is a game where situations like this can befall a high sec corp. I get that there are many of you that think running missions, mining, and roaming around in high-sec is boring, but what i don't get is on the one hand how it also seems that you are more apt to claim what an honorable player it is, who flies better ships, has more experience chooses to spend his tie picking off less formidable opponents. There is no respect that should come from that. its like playing football with your 8 year old younger brother and his friends and stiff arming your way to the endzone, where you proceed to dance around and proclaim what a "bada**" you are. Really?


I am not claiming anything, I also don't highsec grief <shrug>. Lasttime i was in a highsec war I was the guy getting decced. Just stuck the boot in till I was left alone again.

You out number him use that, 10 pilots have options vs any single faction BS jam/scram/web and kill him. numbers are important in this not really ship types.

Miagi Sans
Amarr
PURgE-Corp
PURgE Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.05 20:25:00 - [168]
 

Edited by: Miagi Sans on 05/07/2011 20:24:49
honestly, we used to be in the same boat as you. We started off with a handful of players from other mmos who have been together for years. I think there were 6 of us. We got wardec'd in hi sec, and rather than just give out and fold up, we asked around on what a group of noobies could do to help ourselves.

One thing we learned is to have insta-undock warp points from your base of origin, dont put all your ships in one station, and know your enemies weaknesses. You could have easily put together a cheap fleet of a jammer (say blackbird) and arby to gut his tracking down to nothing, and 2 cruisers with neuts to finish the job. 4 people in cheap ships could have easily taken him.

As a former noob to another...dont give up, and dont let hi sec war deccers ruin your fun. Adapt and learn.


edit: sup larla!

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.07.06 09:15:00 - [169]
 

Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 06/07/2011 09:15:32
Originally by: ACY GTMI
My heart bleeds purple panther p*ss for you poor griefers


Except declaring war is not griefing. Declaring war is a game-mechanic-sanctioned action.

A dictionary, read one. Also .. how would DEFENDING yourself from a wardec be griefing?

Quote:
Sandbox my *ss. CCP has provided us with a small virtual universe to allow us to show that we have learned something since we have moved out of the cave. Apparently not good enough for you.


So you've "shown" that you're content to sit and stare at rocks all day, perform simple repetitive actions and get meager rewards? Awesome. I want to be where you're at.

Quote:
I set up an alliance of my own [...] I have 12 active characters. 9 of them are members of alliance corps.


So you HAVE set up a whole alliance just for you and your alts?

Really quite sad to be quite honest. You've "shown" that you're so good at socializing and getting along that you can only cooperate with yourself?

You're just win.

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.06 10:08:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Khanh'rhh
Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 06/07/2011 09:15:32
Originally by: ACY GTMI
My heart bleeds purple panther p*ss for you poor griefers


Except declaring war is not griefing. Declaring war is a game-mechanic-sanctioned action.

A dictionary, read one. Also .. how would DEFENDING yourself from a wardec be griefing?





The action of declaring war is not griefing, the game mechanics allow for such wars.

It's the intent behind the war that determines if it's griefing or not.

Maverick2011
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:03:00 - [171]
 

If you are in a corp that can't protect their members then you should leave and join one that can or just stay in a NPC corp where you CANT be wardecced.

Simple as that. Newbie corps are magnets for griefers. Word of advice for new players? Stay in a NPC corp till you want to bother with pvp.

Abdeisus
Posted - 2011.07.06 12:20:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: Abdeisus on 06/07/2011 12:23:00

The best advice,if you have no interest in PvP: don't present a target, high sec grievers are lonely adrenaline junkies - if you make him wait he'll get the cramps and move on.
... as others have said,

1. keep him in contacts and on your watch list, when he logs on run a locator agent so you know where he's at;
2. keep a neutral scout in adjacent systems, when missioning and work together, check local frequently;
3. make sure that you have off grid undock bookmarks, and that your home station has a large undock perimeter;
4. when missioning (do it together) stay aligned to an unaligned safe bookmark at least 15 au from a celestials, then align to station and then dock up if he enters system and log have coffee lunch, or do some work or whatever then come back;
5. whatever you do don't speak to him or engage him in anyway - no smack, don't read anything he has to say and remember this can make the game more exciting, get frosty :)

And remember to have fun!

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.06 12:32:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Othran on 06/07/2011 12:33:03
I dunno who you all think you're replying to here?

A bit more reading and a little less kneejerk posting would help :

Update*** War Dec was retracted as of an hour ago. Edit - that post was 2 days ago, OP isn't interested now as he hasn't replied since then.

Noceur-01 Tiers
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.06 12:57:00 - [174]
 

If he really is alone there's not much to fear, go with a bunch of frigates, should be enough and if not you still get some PVP experience. You're bound to run into PVP sooner or later, I myself is a new player and have ~2mil SP yet I partake in PVP and find it interesting. Its cheaper to learn how PVP works now than later imo. : )

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:17:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Khanh'rhh
Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 06/07/2011 09:15:32
Originally by: ACY GTMI
My heart bleeds purple panther p*ss for you poor griefers


Except declaring war is not griefing. Declaring war is a game-mechanic-sanctioned action.

A dictionary, read one. Also .. how would DEFENDING yourself from a wardec be griefing?

Quote:
Sandbox my *ss. CCP has provided us with a small virtual universe to allow us to show that we have learned something since we have moved out of the cave. Apparently not good enough for you.


So you've "shown" that you're content to sit and stare at rocks all day, perform simple repetitive actions and get meager rewards? Awesome. I want to be where you're at.

Quote:
I set up an alliance of my own [...] I have 12 active characters. 9 of them are members of alliance corps.


So you HAVE set up a whole alliance just for you and your alts?

Really quite sad to be quite honest. You've "shown" that you're so good at socializing and getting along that you can only cooperate with yourself?

You're just win.


I didn't say anything about anyone defending anyone. They don't need to defend themselves if they give the problem a little thought.

You've suggested that it would be more 'sportsmanlike' for me to sit around for hours waiting for some ship small enough to over power and do it repeatedly, while making no ISK at all from it. What's the difference?

Griefing war decs are where one corp with an overpowering advantage war decs another corp for pleasure or financial gain. Who cares whether it's legal or not? It's still griefing.

For instance, one of the 12 war decs I received was from a corp who admitted that they had been run out of 0.0 and couldn't afford their internet PvP spaceships any more. They thought I should pay for them. I hope they are still holding their collective breaths.

Yes, I created an alliance for myself and my alts because I don't get along with anyone else, except my mining partner, who has been with me for 16 months.

Of the last 9 applicants I've had I had to fire all 9 for violating corporate rules during probation. I'm not sure why a closet ninja-salvager would join an anti-griefer industrial corporation, but that just isn't the type of player I'm looking for. Unless I've forgotten one, applications are disabled for all of my corps. I just don't have the patience to waste my time on any more people like you.

I said above that I wanted an alliance that didn't suck, for me at least. Yes, I have one now.




ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.06 14:20:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Othran
Edited by: Othran on 06/07/2011 12:33:03
I dunno who you all think you're replying to here?

A bit more reading and a little less kneejerk posting would help :

Update*** War Dec was retracted as of an hour ago. Edit - that post was 2 days ago, OP isn't interested now as he hasn't replied since then.


Why did you even look at this thread then, let alone post in it?

I am up to date on my fees to CCP, so I can post in any thread I want to unless it is locked if I choose to. Input from you has no effect on that.

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.07.07 12:24:00 - [177]
 

Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 07/07/2011 12:26:59
Originally by: ACY GTMI
I didn't say anything about anyone defending anyone. They don't need to defend themselves if they give the problem a little thought.

Again, when your solution is to STOP PLAYING THE GAME it's a pretty ****ing fail solution, in the scheme of the game. No?
Quote:
Griefing war decs are where one corp with an overpowering advantage war decs another corp for pleasure or financial gain. Who cares whether it's legal or not? It's still griefing

No, it's not. It is fully within the rules of the game:

Originally by: CCP
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account. This should not be confused with standard conflict that might arise between two (or more) players, such as corporation wars. The EVE universe is a harsh universe largely driven by such conflict and notice must be taken of the fact that nonconsensual combat alone is not considered to be grief play per the above definition. An example of grief play would be the so called "Can baiting" in starter systems. An experienced player drops a cargo container with some items in front of a station in a starter system and waits for a new player to take from it. The new player is flagged and promptly attacked and killed by the owner of the container. Doing the same in starter tutorial complexes is also considered grief play and will not be tolerated.


Read it here.

If you're in a player corp who is defenseless from wardecs YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG. It's no one's fault but your own if you knowingly make yourself into giant targets.

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Yes, I created an alliance for myself and my alts because I don't get along with anyone else, except my mining partner, who has been with me for 16 months.


I'm just going to keep quoting this, because it is endlessly sad and pitiable. Out of 350,000 registered players, you can find only YOURSELF and one other to play with? I think you need to take a long hard look at yourself.

Quote:
I said above that I wanted an alliance that didn't suck, for me at least. Yes, I have one now.


Whether you call it a corp or an alliance, it's still just you mining on your own..


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