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Kogh Ayon
Posted - 2011.07.04 23:30:00 - [121]
 

What if you get warred by a 20 man corp?

You will have to face it anyway!

High-sec mission corp fail, NPC corps/Private channel are the stuff for you people.

Cosmic Templar
Posted - 2011.07.05 00:02:00 - [122]
 

Will we get +1 if we can post a killmail to close out this thread? Running is not really what I would prefer given the situation. I like pork chops as much as the next guy.

Update*** War Dec was retracted as of an hour ago. At this point it'd be more enjoyable to dec him kill his massively expensive dream fit, and then post the link here. Thanks for the tips.

Syn Callibri
Minmatar
21st Eridani Lighthorse
Posted - 2011.07.05 00:05:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players.



At the risk of sounding callous and unfeeling (been there, done that)...deal with it, everyone has at some point in their EvE experience.

...good fortune to you.


Cosmic Templar
Posted - 2011.07.05 00:11:00 - [124]
 

Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
@Holy One
Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that?

Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies.


Fight or quit...I was leaning towards fight theres 10 of you...then this post...quit.


I'll be more clear about my own intentions next time I post here. I get that EVE is a game where situations like this can befall a high sec corp. I get that there are many of you that think running missions, mining, and roaming around in high-sec is boring, but what i don't get is on the one hand how it also seems that you are more apt to claim what an honorable player it is, who flies better ships, has more experience chooses to spend his tie picking off less formidable opponents. There is no respect that should come from that. its like playing football with your 8 year old younger brother and his friends and stiff arming your way to the endzone, where you proceed to dance around and proclaim what a "bada**" you are. Really?

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.05 00:25:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: DeBingJos
1/10 Troll

In case you are not trolling: 10 vs 1 -> Gank him.


& lol, learn to EvE, he gets easy kills word will get out & you will be perma decced, learn to EvE.

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.07.05 00:33:00 - [126]
 

I'm not sure if anybody has mentioned this yet, but another option would be to attend the pvp university.

Agony unleashed runs one, but you have to make sure that you sign up well before the class date since they fill up fast. For further info on that. Just google "agony pvp university".

They have a basics class which is for people who have never pvp'ed. It covers manual flight, scanning, e war, as well as other fundamentals.

If I remember correctly they were charging almost nothing for it. Couldn't have been more than 10 mil per student. Its not something they do to make isk so much as that they simply enjoy doing it. After the initial class there is a roam the day later where they take you out to use what they taught you in an actual hunt.

I know they used to even charge less if you opened a corp account with them and sent multiple corp members to the classes.

Plentath
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.07.05 00:40:00 - [127]
 

Edited by: Plentath on 05/07/2011 00:41:02
1. Learn to PVP
2. Gank the fool
3. ?????
4. Profit

I must be missing something.

Llambda
Space Llama Industries
Posted - 2011.07.05 00:43:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
@Holy One
Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves.



Holy****ing****. What resources do you not have available? There are ten of you. There is one of him. You have the resources available, you just choose to believe you don't.

Quote:
Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that?


Luxury? You don't need luxury. You need T1 cruisers and frigates, maybe some BCs. That's it.


Cosmic Templar
Posted - 2011.07.05 00:56:00 - [129]
 

Amended member count 3.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.05 01:10:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players.


? send my alliance a request to join; that will make it pricier for him.

SmilingVagrant
Minmatar
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.05 01:23:00 - [131]
 

Put two guys in blackbirds with the proper racial jammers and another two in tackling/webbing frigates. Jam him up, tackle him and web him, everyone orbit at 5km and go watch a movie. Make sure to do this in T1 hulls. For some reason jamming REALLY ****es people off and odds are he'll be too ****ed off to think about just logging off to escape the trap. Worst case scenario is he logs out and comes back and kills your 30mil isk worth of ships (haha who cares). Best case is he gets frothing mad as he tries to slowboat to a station 100km away at 5m/s.

Cheekyhoe
Posted - 2011.07.05 01:30:00 - [132]
 

The solution is not to fight.

The people who do this live off small corps who have no PVP skills at all and are frankly slightly above forums trolls.

Get everyone in corp to add him to their address book when he logs on just log off go watch a film he'll get bored and find someone else to play with.

If you decide to play PVP you'll only encourage him to harass you later.

If he stays online for a long time and not in system go play missions if he enters system you should warp off to the station.

It is also very likely he will have a neutral alt scout or 2 so you if notice probes in system then change your directional scanner to 100,000,000km and if they are or some of them near you warp out.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.05 01:36:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Cheekyhoe
The solution is not to fight.

The people who do this live off small corps who have no PVP skills at all and are frankly slightly above forums trolls.

Get everyone in corp to add him to their address book when he logs on just log off go watch a film he'll get bored and find someone else to play with.

If you decide to play PVP you'll only encourage him to harass you later.

If he stays online for a long time and not in system go play missions if he enters system you should warp off to the station.

It is also very likely he will have a neutral alt scout or 2 so you if notice probes in system then change your directional scanner to 100,000,000km and if they are or some of them near you warp out.


Make that 250K km, and cycle it so you know when they are warping into your mission.

Also, they are gaining members as you mentioned, which means you are encouraging recruitment with his/her successes. If you stay docked for a bit, (unfortunate requirement), you may see them drop the Wardec anyway. Other option is joining an alliance, as I mentioned/offered, and the cost will go up which will likely cause them to seek easier/cheaper prey.

Nykky Syxx
Posted - 2011.07.05 01:39:00 - [134]
 

Bring a blackbird, some tackle, and some DPS.

Dead Mach.

Ahjeebus
Posted - 2011.07.05 02:37:00 - [135]
 

First, the whole "I don't do PvP" mindset needs to go out the window if you're going to be in a player corp. NPC corps are there to avoid war dec's. Either you're going to deal with war decs or you're going to move back into an NPC corp.

Anyone who isn't willing to help fight is just deadweight and more kills to the harasser who will keep going until he's paid off or the corp disbands.

Second, odds are this guy knows where you live, moved his crap there before the dec, maybe even has a spy in your corp. Good dec'ers do their homework as much as possible. Change location and check to see if there's anybody who only logs on once a day in their rookie ship just to avoid going inactive.

Finally, as others have suggested, highsec really isn't your only option even if you're casual players. Go to lowsec or find a nullsec alliance, you might find it more fun than dealing with all the crap associated with carebear space.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.05 02:44:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: Valei Khurelem
Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 04/07/2011 16:49:55
Originally by: Morganta
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him.



see, your problem here is having a corp that is dead set against PVPing
this one man corp will be the first of many to do this to you.

if you don't make an example of him it will only get worse.


This is exactly why CCP is struggling, they are meant to be making a sandbox game, not catering to pvpers who just want to gank people.


Would you prefer that CCP cater to people who just want to play in a safe zone??? They have... It's called the starter/noob corps.. No war decs.....

AnzacPaul
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.05 03:54:00 - [137]
 

Awesome troll 10/10

Would read again. Laughing

Asuri Kinnes
Caldari
Adhocracy Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.05 04:00:00 - [138]
 

Edited by: Asuri Kinnes on 05/07/2011 04:03:11
Originally by: Holy One
1. You have no chance. Make your time.
2. If you feed them ships they'll just come back for more.

3. ....

4. Quit.

You don't need to be in a corp with 5 guys running missions. Go NPC.

Alternatively: stop failing to 'get' EvE entirely and seriously go back to WoW.


You sir, are the (all too common) internet idiot. Hope that helps with your identity issues...

To the OP, it is perfectly legal to leave your corp to an alt (train it up in under a day), and move everyone to a new corp. When the next dec comes in, rinse/repeat. You can make/move corps faster than anyone can dec' you. According to CCP - you can "join or leave a corp at any time, for any reason". So you could do that.

If you guys are mission runners, how well are you friends? Get a buncha Ruptures, 1/3 fit warp disrupters, 1/3 fit tracking disruptors, 1/3 fit medium nuets.

everyone carry light ecm drones.

Pwn the sucka... :)
Originally by: Christopher Merchentson
10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him.

Killmails please.....Rolling Eyes

Joan Avon
Amarr
We See Dead People
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.07.05 05:16:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Holy One
1. You have no chance. Make your time.
2. If you feed them ships they'll just come back for more.

3. ....

4. Quit.

You don't need to be in a corp with 5 guys running missions. Go NPC.

Alternatively: stop failing to 'get' EvE entirely and seriously go back to WoW.


Unfortunately low class individuals like the one quoted are a continuing issue in Eve. It's a side effect of the sandbox that some people like Mr. Holy one seem to keep getting the sand in their eye and lash out because of it.

I've been in your deliema several times and have learned that the easiest and most effective thing to do for a person in your position is:

-Start a new player channel and invite all your corp mates into it. Then have everyone take their characters out of the corp and back into their NPC corps. Just leave an alt in there to keep it online.

-Use the Player channel as a replacement for the corp chat that way you can still mission run and mine and do all the activities together you did before safely inside the protection of concord

-For extra style points be sure to parade around in groups right in front of him talking about how your having so much fun.

- Once his minute patience and even smaller attention span has been depleted and he's moved on to god knows what, Return to your original corp happy as a Hollar back girl.

-Repeat if needed should he return to bother you. Be sure to make it clear that every war dec will result in the exact same result: Isk spent by him for Nothing gained.

raney ilara
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:30:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Holy One
Welcome to EvE. Hope you enjoyed the extended trial. Go back to WoW etc. Wink

PS: Contract me all your stuff first plz



I'm contracting my civian rails and miners to you for the small servicing fee of 18 billion isk. I would include my velator but it was blown up by a bad wardeccing man.




Chopper Rollins
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:36:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Nak hak
In this world you are a wolf, or a pork chop. ugh


You mean in eve i hope.

Because if you mean in real life, we are left with the mystery of why your parents didn't cook and eat your pretend-cynical ass.

Fly safer!


MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:53:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Its like playing football with your 8 year old younger brother and his friends and stiff arming your way to the endzone, where you proceed to dance around and proclaim what a "bada**" you are. Really?

That's Eve in a nutshell, pretty much. Yeah.

In a sandbox these things are possible. You can be the ******* stealing that lollipop. You can also be the big bro punching that ******* in the face. Or you can be the ***** talking **** while standing one the sideline watching all this delicious drama unfold. It's up to you.

Sral TBear
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:59:00 - [143]
 

easy answer....welcome to the sandbox....

The other one.....

"hints"

Locator agents

Scouts

ECCM

Frigates/cruisers

pew pew

BeastlyRage
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.07.05 07:01:00 - [144]
 

I've done this once with a friend to a 10 man PvE corp and we got 3 golem kills, 2 CNR's and a faction fit rook

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.05 07:36:00 - [145]
 

OP, one thing I can't figure out is what your final considered approach to the problem would be. Are you going to follow the totally unrealistic suggestions above, or are you going to deal with it intelligently?

Anyway, two other things for your consideration.

First, Most war decs aren't totally random. Something has to being you to the attention of the griefer. You might want to try to find out if there was an incident. For instance, you say you run missions. Have you or any of your people had any problems with ninja-salvagers lately? Don't ask the griefer. It's a given that he would rather lie than tell the truth, even if the truth is easier. Also, andy communication with scum serves to encourage them.

Second, anything you can do that makes the griefer whine in public chat is a good thing. "Wanh, you won't come out of station and let me destroy your ships" is one of my favorites.

Moghydin
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.07.05 08:13:00 - [146]
 

If he's using a Machariel that's good, they drop good lootYARRRR!!. You're 10, he's 1 - he should have no chance. Use tanked to hell bait, use cov ops or recon to get a warp in. On warp in use Huginn or something to slow him down and a Falcon to perma jam him, put all dps from other ships on the guy and watch him pop.

daisy cutta
Posted - 2011.07.05 08:52:00 - [147]
 



Wars are part of Eve and your corp will have to learn to deal with it

10-1

Find out which sys is his home and camp it, kill him every time he undocks

or just roll over and pay him some isk :)

your choice

Franny
Mentis Seorsum
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:22:00 - [148]
 

this has to be a troll???
some of my favorite memories are corp wars when I was a n00b

caldari cruiser + minmatar racial jammers(blackbird 4tw)
a bait ship(one of your mission runners works)
couple DPS cruisers/frigs with tackle gear
a hauler to hold all his tears

Khanh'rhh
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:50:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: Khanh''rhh on 05/07/2011 11:51:40
Originally by: ACY GTMI
OP, one thing I can't figure out is what your final considered approach to the problem would be. Are you going to follow the totally unrealistic suggestions above, or are you going to deal with it intelligently?


Confirming that suggesting PVP in a PVP-centric game is "unrealistic"

Taking advice from someone whose PVP record is being ganked twice? Who makes an alliance just to help themselves hide from wardecs? That's unrealistic.

OP: You have more than the means to walk all over them. Whether you want to or not, is upto you. Consider though, that the game is largely about this. You can either learn how to spank the guys, or pay your subscription to sit in the station, like suggested here.

Note, that making an entire corp of carebears remain docked for an entire wardec, whether you're in their local or not, is likely amusement enough in itself.

Blow him up. I guarantee it'll be more fun than rescuing the damsel for the 8000th time YARRRR!!

Edit: I have a corpless ECM alt. If you want a bit of help, throw me an ingame mail.

Mspaine
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:58:00 - [150]
 

Give this guy a buzz ----> Landorcan

They specialise in supporting small corps who've been wardecced.




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