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Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:45:00 - [91]
 

You don't have to "do PvP" in Eve, you just need to understand the basics of it and common counters.

Eg - put some ECM Griffins out and jam him/them. You'll get some amusement in local and you learn a bit. Worst case is you lose a mill or so after insurance.

Go for it. Really, you'll have more fun than him.

Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:49:00 - [92]
 

Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! Evac !
...oh wait...
Dock ! Dock ! Dock !Dock !

OR
1) try to spot him before he catch you
2) with n1 try to mount a gank mixed with bigger and little, fight on dock range if are really noob
3) always with n1 try to trap him on a gate, split your gang on both side and when he's aggro, merge, shoot and profit

Tips
check if there's not a alt with him (Remote), of a spy who follow you everywhere
dont bring too expensive ship, "shark love blood"
and enjoy !

Tsukimaru
Amarr
Stargate SG-1
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:55:00 - [93]
 

I think it's time to learn about PvP and how you can better protect yourselves.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:56:00 - [94]
 

Edited by: Othran on 04/07/2011 16:57:29
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! Evac ! Evac !
...oh wait...
Dock ! Dock ! Dock !Dock !

OR
1) try to spot him before he catch you
2) with n1 try to mount a gank mixed with bigger and little, fight on dock range if are really noob
3) always with n1 try to trap him on a gate, split your gang on both side and when he's aggro, merge, shoot and profit

Tips
check if there's not a alt with him (Remote), of a spy who follow you everywhere
dont bring too expensive ship, "shark love blood"
and enjoy !


tl;dr didn't make an insta-undock, didn't have off-grid tacs, wasn't watching known alts

Engage when you choose not when they do. Better to do it early in your Eve career, people get attached to shiny stuff.

Edit - and just don't ever engage on-station until you know what you're doing.

Kiran
Minmatar
Knights of Azrael
Anti-Social Outcast
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:57:00 - [95]
 

4 vs 1 mach?

1 Blackbird fitted with ECM and ECM drones.
1 Hyena with webber and warp distrupter.
2 Drakes Heavy Assualt fitted missiles and warp scramblers Use Afterburners on the drakes and keep them on at all times, this will lessen the damage taken. With light scout drones for more DPS.

Hyena holds him place, with warp distrupter and webber.
Drakes shut down his MWD with scramblers and hit him with heavy assault missiles.
Blackbird jams him to hell and back.

All ships can be flown with low skill points and are cheap and easy to replace. Just remeber keep the speed up so his guns can not track you. Or to really make him spew throw on a turret disruptor to top it off.

Kyn Kailata
Posted - 2011.07.04 17:00:00 - [96]
 

Edited by: Kyn Kailata on 04/07/2011 17:00:43
Originally by: Holy One


Because you are trash in EvE terms.
(...)

EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox



Confirming that "sandbox game" = "there's only one way to play EVE and if you don't play it my way you're trash"

K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.04 17:04:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Now...speaking of scenarios, I'm open to hearing of specifics of how a small group, lets say 3 or 4 pilots would best be loaded to take on and kill an exp. PVP pilot in a Mach most likely with faction modules and the whole 9.



Leave a full tank+scram/web Drake at a planet, have 2 Minmatar fitted Blackbirds cloaked in system closeby and aligned, ready to warp in at range, same for a 2nd Drake. As the mach approaches the Drake the others uncloak and get their align speed up. As he attacks the drake, you scram&web and start to orbit, BB's warp in at optimal and jam the Mach to crap, 2nd drake warps in at 0 and helps with more tackle and dps. If need be the first drake warps off if low HP.

If he refuses to get into scram/web range simply jam him and warp off, then BB's warp off while still using ECM. again, you don't have to WIN (although it would be nice), you just have to show him you refuse to be picked off solo and have viable strategies and traps in place to catch him when he messes up.

Job done.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.07.04 17:46:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Kyn Kailata
Edited by: Kyn Kailata on 04/07/2011 17:00:43
Originally by: Holy One


Because you are trash in EvE terms.
(...)

EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox



Confirming that "sandbox game" = "there's only one way to play EVE and if you don't play it my way you're trash"


Thanks bro!

Selune Virra
Posted - 2011.07.04 17:56:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/07/2011 16:35:43
Originally by: Selune Virra
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Originally by: Demure Guise
You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me.


(stuff, in response)


the point here is that a 5 man corp of RL friends who don't know anything about EVE or how it works will (usually) end up going poorly.

If those 5 friends step their game up, read a few guides and talk to people ingame it won't be long and they'll absolutely destroy whatever lonewolf is poking at them. Matter of fact they might soon be thinking about wardeccing corps on the grind themselves. RL friends tend to coordinate much more efficient than any other group.


hence "usually". completely agree that if the RL friends learn a bit about the game, they'll work together very well...


... until one of them steals from the other (hey, this is EVE afterall)Twisted Evil

Corina's Bodyguard
Posted - 2011.07.04 17:59:00 - [100]
 

You don't really need to kill him. Just annoy him with jamming. If you jam him and he can't destroy your ships, he will get bored and fight someone else.


Alternatively, kill him. With ten people, you can do 2 jamming frigs (griffins are good) and 8 fully gunned dessies (going with the low sp option because I don't know your possible ships, BCs much more likely to kill him). Of course, this would require you to hunt him, not the other way around. You can also do as mentioned above and set up bait (which is probably easier).


There's also option 3. Don't bother playing for a few weeks. He'll get tired of shelling out isk for nothing.


Note: none of the above assumptions are guarantees.

Khira Kitamatsu
Posted - 2011.07.04 18:10:00 - [101]
 

Love how all the people are giving him advice on how to fight, using this ship and that ship, ECM, EWAR and the lot.

They guy has repeatedly said he has in-experienced players, many fairly new, and clearly they do not have the skills to pull this off.

His choices are simple.

1) Close Corp
2) Higher A Merc Group or a Player that can take this guy out and make it cost him more than he is willing to spend.
3) Stop playing EVE.

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.04 18:18:00 - [102]
 

I see the same thing over and over again in threads like this one. : "Keel Heem! Keel Heem!"

For what? You gain nothing by ganking him. He gains points on the killboards every time you don't though.

So think about it for a minute. How does he 'win'? Basically, he takes away your ability tio maintain your cash flow. When you start looking at it as a cash flow problem, a different set of solutions starts to appear. None of them involve heroic personal combat.

I formed an industrial corp about 15 months ago. I've been war decced maybe 12 times since then, but I really don't keep track. I've never lost a ship or an ISK during a 'war' although I did lose a Retriever to a suicide ganker before that turned into a war.

Also, remember that PvP is an expensive dead end. Ship losses lead to more accounts for macro miners, or less playing time for the main character. You aren't building anything, You really aren't making much in the way of ISK. If you're a 'macho macho man' though . . . .

One of the many sayings ascribed to Sun Tsu is "The best way to win a war is not to fight." It's still true today.

If you want some advice, Eve Mail me. My first bit of advice, free, is that based on skimming over the posts above, you should ignore them.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.07.04 18:26:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/07/2011 18:29:10
Originally by: ACY GTMI
For what?

For the lulz. It's what the game is about, you know?

Quote:
Basically, he takes away your ability tio maintain your cash flow.

If he's flying some pimp ass Mach like the OP is saying, they're probably going to make some nice cash off of his corpse.

Quote:
One of the many sayings ascribed to Sun Tsu is "The best way to win a war is not to fight." It's still true today.

Totally out of context. Art of war is about killing people efficiently. The book certainly doesn't depict birds and bees and smokin weed with your buddies.

Quote:
If you want some advice, Eve Mail me. My first bit of advice, free, is that based on skimming over the posts above, you should ignore them.

How nice of you smarty-pants. You should be happy noone was really out to gank your ass until now because with that attitude of yours he would've made you his ***** and have you quit the game in tears.

Fellblade
Posted - 2011.07.04 18:29:00 - [104]
 

The Art of War is not about killing people efficiently. It is about winning wars. Many - but not all - aspects of winning wars involve killing people.

Jak Silverheart
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.04 18:30:00 - [105]
 

Do what everyone else is telling you to do, fly cheap ships and tackle, web, scram, ecm jam him. If your really feeling like an ass keep him permajam with ecm for a long time till he self destructs. And keep it up every time he catches you, I doubt the whole idea of fighting you would seem less fun with your corp doing this.

Or move to low sec and play like paranoid carebears like everyone is after you, because they are. Heck you may even die less there because of it.

Theodoric Darkwind
Gallente
PonyWaffe
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.04 18:40:00 - [106]
 

Its 1 guy, just fit out some basic pvp cruisers/bcs and gang up on him

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.04 18:47:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: ACY GTMI on 04/07/2011 18:49:51
Originally by: MaiLina KaTar

For the lulz. It's what the game is about, you know?


Nope. Not even close. It's what Castle Wolfenstein is about.

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar

If he's flying some pimp ass Mach like the OP is saying, they're probably going to make some nice cash off of his corpse.


Nope. His ship may not drop anything, although I understand this is rare. You may lose several ships in the attempt and end up losing ISK anyway. It's also a waste of time. He has more ships.

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar

Totally out of context. Art of war is about killing people efficiently. The book certainly doesn't depict birds and bees and smokin weed with your buddies.


What does the context have to do with it? Also, the Art of War is about war, not killing people. I think you will be hard pressed to find much about killing people in it.

Edit: Changed 'anything' to 'much' in the sentence above.

Originally by: MaiLina KaTar

How nice of you smarty-pants. You should be happy noone was really out to gank your ass until now because with that attitude of yours he would've made you his ***** and have you quit the game in tears.


Smartypants? Word of the day for your pre-school? I fear no PvPer in this game, because there is no reason too. If you feel like ganking me out of the game, feel free.

Silverfox986
Minmatar
StarFox Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.04 18:52:00 - [108]
 

@Cosmic Templar
msg me in-game i might be able to help you out =)

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.07.04 20:00:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
I'm currently a CEO of a small high sec space corp with around 10 members, mainly engaged in mission running, trading, industry etc.. We are all casual players with no PVP experience, but we were recently war decced by a one man corp who has a large bankroll judging by the number and types of PVP ships he is using. So far we have lost 3 of our members ships while they were running missions, as this player thrives on killing people who have no PVP experience or interest. What options do we have? I'm afraid that I will have to close the corp, because this player seems bent on harassing our small group of players.



Wow thx, i'll look your corp up right in a moment ! :)

JC Anderson
Caldari
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.07.04 20:04:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: JC Anderson on 04/07/2011 20:04:44
You could always hire mercs, as others have mentioned.

Larla Rosethorn
Minmatar
Renegade Pleasure Androids
Posted - 2011.07.04 20:36:00 - [111]
 

Edited by: Larla Rosethorn on 04/07/2011 20:44:37
Vs Machariel - train scorpion or blackbird with minmatar ecm. fit one other ship as scram/web and the rest dps. Observe 1b+ ship lose to a fleet that costs 100m total.

Decent scorp fit: 2 particle dispersion augmentors, 2 1600mm rolled tungesten plates, damage control ii, signal distortion amplifier ii, 8 racial t2 jammers. (may fit other stuff in high slots).

It's always absurdly easy to beat 1 guy with 2 guys in eve in pvp especially if you know upfront what they are flying. (Capitals excluded)

Lady Go Diveher
The Independent Troll Society
Posted - 2011.07.04 20:59:00 - [112]
 

So much ****ing fail in this thread, I can barely believe it.

10 v 1

TEN VERSUS ****ING ONE!?

And your solutions, are to "DOCK DOCK DOCK! RUN TO NPC!"

Holy. ****ing. ****.

He was ONE guy. ONE SODDING GUY .. flitting about in a Mach?! I could take 10 alts, all a week old.. and beat him.

Everyone who recommended anything other than GANK THE LIVING CRAP OUT OF HIM should biomass themselves, quit the game, and go do something else. Cross-stitch, perhaps.

All you need:

1 x Neut / tracking dissy Arby
1 x Blackbird
? x Neut / nano ruptures or even ****ING THRASHERS.

**** that. Literally any combination of 10 cheap ships and you've got a billion ISK killmail on your corp record.

Seriously. You outnumbered the guy TEN TO ONE in the only MMO that really allows lower skilled players to work together to defeat a stronger opponent. And you failed.

From the OP, I can kinda understand this. He wants to learn, and that is admirable.

But to the rest of you .... the rest of you spineless, clueless, idiots?

Just quit.

Just go. Get out of my game.

Taint
Caldari
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
The 0rphanage
Posted - 2011.07.04 21:55:00 - [113]
 

the more ships you loose, the more experience youl get :)

nahtoh
Caldari
Brotherhood of The Saltire
EVE Animal Control
Posted - 2011.07.04 22:56:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
@Holy One
Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that?

Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies.


Fight or quit...I was leaning towards fight theres 10 of you...then this post...quit.

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.04 22:59:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Lady Go Diveher
So much ****ing fail in this thread, I can barely believe it.



Lady Go Diveher: 3 months 22 days old, member of an NPC corp the whole time, Concord status of 0.

Worth reading?

Well, it's up to you.

JMERCENARY
Posted - 2011.07.04 23:00:00 - [116]
 

Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 23:00:30
Originally by: ACY GTMI

One of the many sayings ascribed to Sun Tsu is "The best way to win a war is not to fight." It's still true today.


The best way to win EVE is to not play EVE?
Post of the century...Rolling Eyes

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.04 23:08:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: JMERCENARY
Edited by: JMERCENARY on 04/07/2011 23:00:30
Originally by: ACY GTMI

One of the many sayings ascribed to Sun Tsu is "The best way to win a war is not to fight." It's still true today.


The best way to win EVE is to not play EVE?
Post of the century...Rolling Eyes


Sun Tsu is now spinning in his grave at approximately 7200 rpm. You'd better find yourself a deep hole somewhere to hide in and give your stufz away AFTER you crawl into it. He may have had his feet cut off, but he can still kick YOUR ass. Very Happy

JMERCENARY
Posted - 2011.07.04 23:11:00 - [118]
 

Twisted Evil

ACY GTMI
Veerhouven Group
The Veerhouven Group
Posted - 2011.07.04 23:20:00 - [119]
 

Now I think we're ready for a civilized conversation again.

Nak hak
Posted - 2011.07.04 23:20:00 - [120]
 

Damn it! Now I want to War-Dec you. Twisted EvilVery HappyTwisted Evil

Fight | Run | Disband | Quit

+1 for one-man corp eating 10 little pork chops. In this world you are a wolf, or a pork chop. ugh


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