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Oesophagus
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:12:00 - [61]
 

Goonswarm was build on the idea that no skill people can beat high skill people...

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:13:00 - [62]
 

Quote:
I do not mean to discourage you in saying this, as I hope you will continue playing and one day give me an opportunity to take advantage of you for my Eve entertainment, but if you cannot handle a 1-ship wardec, you are not ready to be your own corp. There is no shame in that. Mission in NPC corps for a while, or join a large newbie-friendly corp to live under their protection, learn the game, and then some day open your own corporation.


I can verify from personal experience that this is wrong. Sorry, not trolling/flaming a single bit.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:13:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
@Holy One
Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that?

Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies.


Because you are trash in EvE terms. You are grinding missions to make isk to pvp that you will loose very quickly because you have no idea how the game works or have any inclination to learn. Then you'll bad mouth EvE, rage, spread it about that EvE is 'only for griefers' and is 'boring' and such like I read everywhere on the internet. You probably also think you 'can't play eve' or 'pvp in eve' unless you have 30m sp and a brace of HAC's and recons. That commands little respect - although your shinnies make nice displays on KB.

You are (yes you are) moaning about being hassled and griefed in a game that is entirely about pvp. Again doesn't make me respect you. Or evoke my sympathy.

You are running missions in a 5 man corp not because of your esprit but to avoid paying tax. Again. Not inspiring my respect.

Finally you have signed up for and pay money to play an MMO that is completely focused on player interaction and conflict. But don't like player interaction or conflict. I say 'you'. I mean your 'disintrested' friends. And their entire sodding failscade life perspetive that I very genuinely fear being infected by.

I hate you because you represent the 'metric' that kills EvE by degrees every year. You are the easy money passive, easily amused, anti-social anti-bears that over time reduce every good thing in to a case of grind and spiders and aspie drones fulfilling their destinies as hapless wastes of skin. Driving everyone else out and inspiring more soulless crap game design from nasty corporate greedy guts and in so doing forcing everyone else to quit playing and enjoying mmo's entirely.

EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox and real conflict. If people like you get a foot hold beyond what you have already achieved - entirely subverting half the sodding game space - it will go the way it always does: down.

So here, anger free, I suggest you 1. GTFO out of this mmo. or 2. Learn to play the game as it was intended. 3. Go do incursions or something CCP MoneyBags made for your sort as an isk faucet alternative to real pvp. In real EvE.

I know you aren't capable of 2. because you've already revealed you are 'saving' and 'waiting' to pvp and have in this admission completely and utterly outed yourself as beyond salvation. 3. I see this in your future.

Fly safe! Laughing


djenghis jan
Amarr
Debiloff
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:19:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Three things.

1) We are not closing up shop.

2) This is ultimately a perfect opportunity to get some PVP exp. as mentioned above.

3)It will be more satisfying to get HELP so that WE can kill this player, rather than pay someone else to do it.

Points taken.


A large chunk of me wats to be you Cool

Cosmic Templar
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:20:00 - [65]
 

@ Holy
I prefer 2. Dynamics of the game.

Holy One
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:24:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
@ Holy
I prefer 2. Dynamics of the game.


Oh ok then. Sorry about that. Good luck! Very Happy

JMERCENARY
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:27:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Edited by: Ranka Mei on 04/07/2011 15:13:17
Originally by: DeBingJos
In case you are not trolling: 10 vs 1 -> Gank him.

That's what we did against a 1-man corp that decced us when we still resided in highsec. At first we lost a few ships; then we got organized, and hunted became the hunters. Jumped him with 15 or so ships several times. First time he got away, second time he lost an expensive ship; third time as well; next he mumbled something in local about not giving up because of losing his 500 mil payout (obvious troll for us to pay him off); next CEO gave him the finger; and the next day Concord declared the war invalid (= read: bum quit).


That's the spirit. Do plenty of smack talk so he can provide you with expensive targets for some time. Most do fall for smack talk.

Cosmic Templar
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:30:00 - [68]
 

Appended Member Count 10>5. NPC will do for some.

JMERCENARY
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:30:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Holy One

I hate you because you represent the 'metric' that kills EvE by degrees every year. You are the easy money passive, easily amused, anti-social anti-bears that over time reduce every good thing in to a case of grind and spiders and aspie drones fulfilling their destinies as hapless wastes of skin. Driving everyone else out and inspiring more soulless crap game design from nasty corporate greedy guts and in so doing forcing everyone else to quit playing and enjoying mmo's entirely.

EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox and real conflict. If people like you get a foot hold beyond what you have already achieved - entirely subverting half the sodding game space - it will go the way it always does: down.


Respect.

Apocolyse Harvey
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:50:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Holy One
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
@Holy One
Why all the anger? Anyway. In the perfect world we would be able to take this guy out and then proceed to gloat in local, however we do not have the resources currently ourselves. Most of our pilots are doing the mission running (carebear) stype gameplay, (myself included) as a means to an end, that end being a bankroll affording us the luxury of losing ships in PVP. Why fail to recognize that?

Anyway my OP was more an appeal for help and/or support to help kill the griefer, which judging by your interests within the game would seem to appeal to you as much as anyone. Why hate then? Anyways. If you are interested in helping PM in game. Thanks for all the replies.


Because you are trash in EvE terms. You are grinding missions to make isk to pvp that you will loose very quickly because you have no idea how the game works or have any inclination to learn. Then you'll bad mouth EvE, rage, spread it about that EvE is 'only for griefers' and is 'boring' and such like I read everywhere on the internet. You probably also think you 'can't play eve' or 'pvp in eve' unless you have 30m sp and a brace of HAC's and recons. That commands little respect - although your shinnies make nice displays on KB.

You are (yes you are) moaning about being hassled and griefed in a game that is entirely about pvp. Again doesn't make me respect you. Or evoke my sympathy.

You are running missions in a 5 man corp not because of your esprit but to avoid paying tax. Again. Not inspiring my respect.

Finally you have signed up for and pay money to play an MMO that is completely focused on player interaction and conflict. But don't like player interaction or conflict. I say 'you'. I mean your 'disintrested' friends. And their entire sodding failscade life perspetive that I very genuinely fear being infected by.

I hate you because you represent the 'metric' that kills EvE by degrees every year. You are the easy money passive, easily amused, anti-social anti-bears that over time reduce every good thing in to a case of grind and spiders and aspie drones fulfilling their destinies as hapless wastes of skin. Driving everyone else out and inspiring more soulless crap game design from nasty corporate greedy guts and in so doing forcing everyone else to quit playing and enjoying mmo's entirely.

EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox and real conflict. If people like you get a foot hold beyond what you have already achieved - entirely subverting half the sodding game space - it will go the way it always does: down.

So here, anger free, I suggest you 1. GTFO out of this mmo. or 2. Learn to play the game as it was intended. 3. Go do incursions or something CCP MoneyBags made for your sort as an isk faucet alternative to real pvp. In real EvE.

I know you aren't capable of 2. because you've already revealed you are 'saving' and 'waiting' to pvp and have in this admission completely and utterly outed yourself as beyond salvation. 3. I see this in your future.

Fly safe! Laughing




So your idea of fun is griefing new players that dont have your experience, ships or bankroll.

YOU are the cancer that is driving away new players, attritting your beloved game's status.

YOU are the antisocial psychopath that wants to attack everything helpless and ignorant, an internet bully, the very definition of antisocial.

There is a difference between being 3 or 4 shot and being able to learn from a losing battle that lasts more than 15 seconds and improve.

If the game is so great PVP - wise, then why are you picking on a PVE Corp? Why not go relish in the battles you could be having with experienced, worthy adversaries? Maybe you could meet someone that makes you think, makes your heart race and perhaps, if you are SOCIAL enough, you could start dialog and learn from each other, MAYBE even become friends?

Rose Hips
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:53:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Holy One


Because you are trash in EvE terms. You are grinding missions to make isk to pvp that you will loose very quickly because you have no idea how the game works or have any inclination to learn.




I'm copy and pasting this so many times, that whole speech was golden.

Or... Cosmic Templar, you can try this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_12E1EN6fs&NR=1

Demure Guise
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:56:00 - [72]
 

Making a Corp comprising a few friends, new to the game, is a common mistake that a lot of new players make in Eve. If I see players trying to do this in the Chat channels I always warn them about the possibility of being Wardecced but most figure it will never happen to them.

You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me.

Fredfredbug4
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:01:00 - [73]
 

Hire some mercenaries. It'll be expensive but should be less expensive than replacing everything that he keeps on destroying.

Ehranavaar
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:04:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle.


may i suggest you first form an alliance even if you just have the one corp. this boosts the cost to war dec you to 50 mill a week from 2 mill. surprisingly this is enough to discourage most of the rabble. the other thing is that when you are decced you simply don't bother undocking. if you want to stay logged in that's ok but do not undock. if he's not getting any "cheap" kills he's not having any fun. this should kill his interest in continuing to bug you. there are several other free to play mmo's out there to pass time on while waiting for his war dec to expire.

Cosmic Templar
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:06:00 - [75]
 

Originally by: Demure Guise
Making a Corp comprising a few friends, new to the game, is a common mistake that a lot of new players make in Eve. If I see players trying to do this in the Chat channels I always warn them about the possibility of being Wardecced but most figure it will never happen to them.

You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me.


But our own corp allows us to set tax rates, and also have our own stations etc. That was one of our main reasons. All that aside, we will weed out who is willing to stand their ground from those that won't. for me personally, the PVP aspect is the most appealing, and the interim has been filled with mission running to afford myself more access to higher level ships. I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed.

Omira Tan
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:09:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: Holy One
I hate you because you represent the 'metric' that kills EvE by degrees every year. You are the easy money passive, easily amused, anti-social anti-bears that over time reduce every good thing in to a case of grind and spiders and aspie drones fulfilling their destinies as hapless wastes of skin. Driving everyone else out and inspiring more soulless crap game design from nasty corporate greedy guts and in so doing forcing everyone else to quit playing and enjoying mmo's entirely.

EvE is the last bastion of true sandbox and real conflict.

And yet you spit on said sandox with every fiber of your being. You want the sandbox, but only if everyone plays the way you do. And if they don't, you "hate" them. How pathetic.

Aeveen
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:10:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: OverlordY
Edited by: OverlordY on 04/07/2011 14:16:26
Quit eve, and tell CCP why in the comment box when u do. Its the only way things like this will change.


ROFL good luck with that.

Squidely
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:12:00 - [78]
 



War dec Teutonic Brotherhood inc just for posting this baby **** crap..


Saile Litestrider
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:17:00 - [79]
 

There are generally two reasons people randomly declare war. First is for easy kills, second is for good fights. If you give them either, they'll keep coming back for more, and even worse, they may tell all their friends.

If they're after easy kills, the best thing to do is to simply dock up, don't do anything. If you want to play, drop to an NPC corp temporarily and re-recruit your members when he gets bored. You can use a placeholder alt as the CEO, and create a chat channel to keep in touch. This is very effective, because nobody pays for a war when there are no targets to shoot.

If you want to fight back, but don't want to make them enjoy it, play dirty. Pack TONS of ECM. Fly with a tackling frigate or two to pin him down, a blob of blackbirds and some dps ships. If he's perma-jammed, he can't do anything, and it's incredibly annoying for him to fight you. Nobody will willingly fight groups like this on their own. As a bonus, ECM blackbirds and tackle frigates are extremely cheap, extremely easy to skill into, and extremely easy to fly in this case. You're actually likely to start seeing tears from HIM if you pull this strategy. Not to mention yet another "ECM needs a nerf" thread will pop up on the forum and we'll all get a good laugh.

Seeking help is great too, you only really need one guy if your corp is willing to fight, a decent FC will be able to get you organized in a cheap, effective setup, and will likely get you several kills.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:20:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Othran on 04/07/2011 16:27:35
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Three things.

1) We are not closing up shop.

2) This is ultimately a perfect opportunity to get some PVP exp. as mentioned above.

3)It will be more satisfying to get HELP so that WE can kill this player, rather than pay someone else to do it.

Points taken.


Go take a look at Agony Unleashed's PVP-Uni - www.agony-unleashed.com

Their PVP basic course is the sort of thing you want - shows how low-skill people can be competitive (to say the least). The roam has dozens of you out there but the principle will work with as few as 5 people in your case (you'll need some jams).

I envy you, I really do. You have no idea what you're doing but if you're willing to lose some cheap T1 stuff while learning - your Eve will change forever Smile

Edit : and if you can't afford the Agony course - no idea when the next one is - I'll pay for 5 of you to do it. Paid for plenty others and you'll need some basic PvP knowledge to participate in all of Eve.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:21:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/07/2011 16:31:23
Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/07/2011 16:21:21
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed.

You'll find that most of the people who're ****ing their e-peens in front of ya going "yeh man I *only* PvP n **** u a carebear lol i hate u" are actually pathetic little hypocrites with mission running alt accounts.

And as for your "problem": Few things you must understand.

1. You guys being inexprienced makes you perfect targets. Deal with it.
2. You can only outgrow this by getting experience. It's an opportunity. Losing ships is part of the game.
3. Whatever he's flying can be ECM jammed and then shot to bits. If you have 10 men, a half decent plan and manage to set him up properly he'll die. Don't buy the hype. This is Eve. You go alone against 10 men who have more than half a brain -> you die. A couple ECM frigs / blackbirds and drakes will do.

K'iran
Spirit of EVE
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:23:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Originally by: Demure Guise
Making a Corp comprising a few friends, new to the game, is a common mistake that a lot of new players make in Eve. If I see players trying to do this in the Chat channels I always warn them about the possibility of being Wardecced but most figure it will never happen to them.

You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me.


But our own corp allows us to set tax rates, and also have our own stations etc. That was one of our main reasons. All that aside, we will weed out who is willing to stand their ground from those that won't. for me personally, the PVP aspect is the most appealing, and the interim has been filled with mission running to afford myself more access to higher level ships. I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed.


There is nothing wrong with doing missions (other than missions themselves paying way too much). The issue some people have comes from players who have this idea that PVP is for "later, when I get x mil SP and have x billion in the bank, so I can fly expensive faction/T2 ships and fits", which simply isn't true or necessary. People who refuse to put in some effort to learn about the MMO they're playing, the dangers, the options and disregard PVP completely.

The real truth is that if you have people who run missions a bit one can assume most of those will be Caldari (per the "caldari for PVE" meme, which actually isn't correct). And if you have a bunch of caldari pilots it's VERY easy to get 2-3 of those into cheap blackbirds and the rest in Drakes. Anyone attacking you who thought you'd be an easy snack will have the scare of his life when all of a sudden he sees 3 BB's and a bunch of drakes, grouped and having a modicum of teamwork.

Thing is that most new players have to go through this phase of really starting to understand what EVE is about and what can happen to you. Best thing is to embrace it, adapt and learn from it. So again, you don't need 10 mil SP or expensive ships to shut down your attackers. The whole "I'll do PVP later" is either ignorance (which is ok if you're a newbie) or stalling.

If you want peace, prepare for war.

Ayame Yubari
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:23:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
But our own corp allows us to set tax rates, and also have our own stations etc. That was one of our main reasons. All that aside, we will weed out who is willing to stand their ground from those that won't. for me personally, the PVP aspect is the most appealing, and the interim has been filled with mission running to afford myself more access to higher level ships. I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed.


You haven't missed anything. These people talking down to you are just bitter vets who forgot what it was like to be a newbie. They think that anyone who doesn't PvP in EVE needs to be shot down and burned at the stake, when sandbox clearly doesn't equal PvP. Sandbox means "do whatever you want". It is arrogant to claim that someone who cannot defend himself because he has no interest in war should gtfo of their beloved grief fest game. It's merely them rationalising why they have become the jerks they are today, shooting everything that moves, lusting for tears of unsuspecting newbies instead of going for a real match.

Don't let them tell you how you should play this game.

Selune Virra
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:29:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Originally by: Demure Guise
You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me.


(stuff, in response)


the point here is that a 5 man corp of RL friends who don't know anything about EVE or how it works will (usually) end up going poorly.

The better option is to get into a "newbie friendly" (though NOT newbie) corp, learn a few things, and THEN go off gallivanting in your own corp once you are more familiar with how EVE works.

However, it sounds like you're making the best of your situation, and are actively working on a solution...

Christopher Merchentson
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:33:00 - [85]
 

Edited by: Christopher Merchentson on 04/07/2011 16:43:55
Originally by: DeBingJos
Originally by: Christopher Merchentson
10 vs 1 does not mean they will be able to beat him. lol. I've seen a 1-man corp war dec eve university and he defeated them in all fleet engagements. The Eve Uni newb fleets weren't even able to reach him to damage him.


10 vs 1 they should be able to beat him, regardles of skillpoints involved. All they need is a little organisation and the will to fight.

Eve university fleets are well organized but they lost against a high sp one-man player with a t3 ship (this was back in 2009/10 if I recall correctly).

The problem was that they weren't even able to reach him while he was able to snipe them out and keep distance.

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:34:00 - [86]
 

Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 04/07/2011 16:36:16
Originally by: Ayame Yubari
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
But our own corp allows us to set tax rates, and also have our own stations etc. That was one of our main reasons. All that aside, we will weed out who is willing to stand their ground from those that won't. for me personally, the PVP aspect is the most appealing, and the interim has been filled with mission running to afford myself more access to higher level ships. I never get why people hate on people that do missions, I may not be understanding how one accumulates loads of isk as a new player, by purely playing PVP. Maybe someone can explain what I've missed.


You haven't missed anything. These people talking down to you are just bitter vets who forgot what it was like to be a newbie. They think that anyone who doesn't PvP in EVE needs to be shot down and burned at the stake, when sandbox clearly doesn't equal PvP. Sandbox means "do whatever you want". It is arrogant to claim that someone who cannot defend himself because he has no interest in war should gtfo of their beloved grief fest game. It's merely them rationalising why they have become the jerks they are today, shooting everything that moves, lusting for tears of unsuspecting newbies instead of going for a real match.

Don't let them tell you how you should play this game.


This is exactly what I've been *****ing about when it comes to games like this for the past several years, games companies like CCP stand by and offer no game mechanics to prevent this kind of grief and harass gameplay claiming it is the nature of sandboxes, yet the people on the recieving end a.k.a everyone but the veterans of the game, can do absolutely nothing. Since the game is revolved around the amount of game time you have in your account and ISK you have, as opposed to player skill which is what normal games have, we need counters to gank squads, we need counters to people who harass newbies for no reason other than to cause grief.

Don't go telling me this is a sandbox game when you give the other kid at the end of the pit a shovel to beat me over the head with while I just get a plastic spade and bucket.

The LEAST that CCP can do is make it so that you have some kind of pacifist option for corporations so the CEO can set the option on and not be wardecced by other much stronger corporations and alliances, that way we'll actually be able to have new corporations and alliances breaking themselves into the game rather than rage quitting because an ******* thinks it's funny to gank people much weaker than them until they leave.

MaiLina KaTar
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:34:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: MaiLina KaTar on 04/07/2011 16:35:43
Originally by: Selune Virra
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Originally by: Demure Guise
You can do missions teamed up together anyway, so why people bust a nut to be in a "Newbie" Corp is a mystery to me.


(stuff, in response)


the point here is that a 5 man corp of RL friends who don't know anything about EVE or how it works will (usually) end up going poorly.

If those 5 friends step their game up, read a few guides and talk to people ingame it won't be long and they'll absolutely destroy whatever lonewolf is poking at them. Matter of fact they might soon be thinking about wardeccing corps on the grind themselves. RL friends tend to coordinate much more efficient than any other group.

Morganta
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:35:00 - [88]
 

Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him.



see, your problem here is having a corp that is dead set against PVPing
this one man corp will be the first of many to do this to you.

if you don't make an example of him it will only get worse.

Valei Khurelem
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:37:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Valei Khurelem on 04/07/2011 16:49:55
Originally by: Morganta
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him.



see, your problem here is having a corp that is dead set against PVPing
this one man corp will be the first of many to do this to you.

if you don't make an example of him it will only get worse.


This is exactly why CCP is struggling, they are meant to be making a sandbox game, not catering to pvpers who just want to gank people.

Cosmic Templar
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:42:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Morganta
Originally by: Cosmic Templar
Not trolling. Thx for the reply. In the best case scenario, this would be my first option, but as I had said, our players have no interest in taking part, and/or have ZERO skills applicable to a PVP battle. We attempted to kill him with 4 of us who were interested the other evening, which ended up rather embarassing us. He is flying a Mach, and even with 4 ships we could barely scratch him.



see, your problem here is having a corp that is dead set against PVPing
this one man corp will be the first of many to do this to you.

if you don't make an example of him it will only get worse.


Its not so much that everyone is deadset against PVP or this current scenario. I probably played up the sympathy card a tough because I do empathize with some of our members who enjoy....mining...for example. On that note, there's not much a Hulk pilot can afford in the way of defense, under these circumstances. Can't be arsed! Back to NPC. Now...speaking of scenarios, I'm open to hearing of specifics of how a small group, lets say 3 or 4 pilots would best be loaded to take on and kill an exp. PVP pilot in a Mach most likely with faction modules and the whole 9.


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