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Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:34:00 - [1]
 


Thanks to you my brain is now melting down trying to figure out the new scanning formula. Very Happy

A couple of days ago I was thinking I had finally the last piece of the puzzle figured out, then I go to test it in 3D and get different results from those I got from keeping all the probes on a single plane. Back again to the drawing board... again...

Whatever, I am still having fun trying to find it out.

luvmehard
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:37:00 - [2]
 

You know CCP Veritas is actually monitoring your in-game effort and is changing the formula on the fly just to f*ck with your brain, right darling?

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:02:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: luvmehard
You know CCP Veritas is actually monitoring your in-game effort and is changing the formula on the fly just to f*ck with your brain, right darling?


Of course. Why do you think I hate him so much? Very Happy

St Mio
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:11:00 - [4]
 

Don't give them ideas, they're doing a good enough job at trolling us explorers Rolling Eyes Last thing they need is more encouragement!

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.07.04 14:36:00 - [5]
 

Who cares about the formula. 8 probes FTW.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.04 17:27:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Who cares about the formula. 8 probes FTW.


Like in those weird Japanese cartoons?

Lester Knight Chaykin
Posted - 2011.07.04 21:18:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
Who cares about the formula. 8 probes FTW.


How do you place all of them?
I put 4 on the same plane, then 1 up and 1 down.
I was thinkig of putting 1 more in the middle and all the others to surround it, but i don't know if it's gonna work.

What about you?

Malice Prox
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.07.04 21:44:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Malice Prox on 04/07/2011 21:44:34
Just...

http://i.imgur.com/aUkvK.jpg

Mr Kidd
Posted - 2011.07.05 01:02:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lester Knight Chaykin
Originally by: Mr Kidd
Who cares about the formula. 8 probes FTW.


How do you place all of them?
I put 4 on the same plane, then 1 up and 1 down.
I was thinkig of putting 1 more in the middle and all the others to surround it, but i don't know if it's gonna work.

What about you?


TBH, I only use 7 because I only have the skills for it. For 7 basically what you said. If I had more astrometrics training in my plan I'd use 8 if I could, all in the same plane. Start with your basic 4. Then just group another 4 so they fit between the gaps of the original 4. Personally, I don't think it's worth the training time for the additional probe.

Substantia Nigra
Posted - 2011.07.05 01:37:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Mr Kidd
... I only use 7 because I only have the skills for it.


While I accept that there's been some sort of minor nerf of probe scanning, and I accept that some ppl like to use lots of probes, I'm finding that four still works perfectly well for a well skilled, well equipped character ... even for the smallest, toughest sites.

Darkside007
Posted - 2011.07.05 04:55:00 - [11]
 

The diamond formation is a waste of time. Most effective formation is a 4-sided die. Three below the site hit in a triangle, plus one above, centered.

Once you get to .25 au, and you can't get the hit to resolve, then add another probe or two.

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:54:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Space Wanderer on 05/07/2011 06:54:51
Originally by: Darkside007
The diamond formation is a waste of time. Most effective formation is a 4-sided die.


This is most likely true. I say "most likely" because I still miss that piece of the formula that tells me how the angles interact with each other. However from extensive testing it is clear that the tetrahedron lead to better results than diamond formation. Specifically, the regular tetrahedron leads to an attenuation of signal of about 15% compared to what we had pre-incarna, while diamond leads to an attenuation of about 20%. This is different from what we had pre incarna where both formation would lead, at least in theorethical case, to the same signal.

Still I wouldn't call a difference of just 5% "a waste of time". Diamond has the advantage of being easier and faster to deploy, compared to a regular tetrahedron.

Originally by: Darkside007
Once you get to .25 au, and you can't get the hit to resolve, then add another probe or two.


Actually, if you can use deep space probes, and you know your signal strength, it's not that hard to know "a-priori" how many probes you will need.

Malice Prox
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:56:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Malice Prox on 05/07/2011 06:56:57
Originally by: Darkside007
The diamond formation is a waste of time. Most effective formation is a 4-sided die. Three below the site hit in a triangle, plus one above, centered.

Once you get to .25 au, and you can't get the hit to resolve, then add another probe or two.


All my probing skills are at IV and i never had a problem pinning down any site in high/low/nullsec pretty fast.

Mspaine
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2011.07.11 02:32:00 - [14]
 

I too, do not understand people when they say probing is now hard.

Rigged Anathema, normal probe launcher, sisters probes, WITHOUT astrometric pinpointing - i was able to probe down 10/10's with 4 probes without any ****ing around. Ie i'd get it down to .25AU with ease - and if it wasnt 100% i'd just move the probes in closer to the marked point on the map and it'd scan at 100%.


With astrometric pinpointing level 4 - just as easy - just means i can skip a scan range because the marker for where the probes think the site is doesnt bounce around as much.


So to all you ppl that need more than 4 probes and still cant find stuff..........


u.....r.......bad.

Dark Reignz
Posted - 2011.07.12 06:16:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Dark Reignz on 12/07/2011 06:22:04
if your using/ need more than 4 probes .. you doing it wrong son.

Like the pro above. Im in 0.0 using a pvp fit drake with bog standard core launcher and bog standard probes, no science implants and probe skills arnt even maxed, no where near and I have not failed to pin a signal yet.....

The only ones I do have a problem with is grav sites but they're for the bears anyways.

Zavulon Sukkot
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2011.07.12 07:46:00 - [16]
 

Wanderer, you're probably trying to work out a linear formula when its actually a logarithmic or 1/logarithmic formula?

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.12 08:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Zavulon Sukkot
Wanderer, you're probably trying to work out a linear formula when its actually a logarithmic or 1/logarithmic formula?


The formula for a single probe scan strength is clearly not linear, most likely it's asynthotic. But the 1 probe formula is easy, I have it basically figured out, at least in its main components. What is giving me headaches is how different probes interact with each other.

xxx x xx
Posted - 2011.07.12 10:00:00 - [18]
 

just for information reasons, is the X-formation around the sig, I used to, not sufficient anymore??

Space Wanderer
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:33:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: xxx x xx
just for information reasons, is the X-formation around the sig, I used to, not sufficient anymore??


Depends on your gear. It is certainly not optimal anymore, but if you have high scan strength it is still enough to find sites.


 

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