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Kerrio DiSantis
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:46:00 - [1]

The question may be simple, but the answer not so much, so here it is....

What do the people in EvE know about their own history?

We as players know it all - the EvE wormhole, the gate, the collapse and cutoff of the new colonies, and so on.

But what do the citizens in the EvE universe know? Not so much, I think, because for example they regard the EvE gate as an ancient artifact (well, in a case, it is) with a mostly unknown purpose.

Civilization had collapsed and people descended into the dark ages shortly after the breakdown of the EvE gate, but what about their history? Has it been forgotten or do myths survive that mankind in EvE descended from a single planet somewhere beyond that ancient gate (and anomaly)?

In other words, what kind of lore exists for the typical citizen in the EvE universe and when would their 'written history' (meaning when events described therein wouldn't be regarded as mere myths and fanciful stories but taken as fact) begin?

Deviana Sevidon
Butterfly Effect Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:41:00 - [2]

Since all of the 4 empires did go through a dark age, most of the pre-collapse information is lost. Without computers and power databases to store information become inaccessable and lost over time. That being said with the help of the Jovians the empire were able to reconstruct the old pre-collapse calender but real knowledge is either in the hands of the Jovians who rarely share them or hidden away, like in some ancient Amarr library that keeps 'heretical' information.

Scientists probably know about genetic similarities between the different races and many species found throughout New Eden and therefore know about a common origin, but that is mostly. Names like Tau Ceti as the origin of the Gallente ancestors became probably a myth.

Wyke Mossari
Posted - 2011.07.04 15:51:00 - [3]

Think about how knowledgeable people are IRL of history?

Knowledge of things like history and geography is shockingly poor even in educated nations.

I assume the same is true in EVE, some aspects will probably be quite well know, for example the existence of the EVE Gate. There is probably be lots of people that assume they know the facts but in fact don't. Your typical Gallente dilettante is probably ignorant about the boring real history, but tuned-into the exciting elements that have made into pop holoflicks.

Think Jason and the Argonauts vs Odyssey or the Life of Brian vs the Bible and both vs real provable scientific history, archaeology and palaeontology.

There will be a lot of real knowledge in academia in the form of scientific theories. Some will be widely accepted, some commonly disputed. Think about genetics, archaeology, linguistics.

Geneticists will know that the races have common ancestors, they will have an approximate time line from Genetic Drift.

They will likely know when planets were terraformed by analysing techniques like radio-carbon dating plants and seeds in sediments.

None of this is set out. It is a reasonable deduction extrapolated from RL & PF.

The danger is that we fall into the same trap about think we know some thing when in fact we do not.

Posted - 2011.07.04 19:31:00 - [4]

Edited by: Stitcher on 04/07/2011 19:34:29

simple logical and scientific steps:

1) Humanity is all one species and thus all from one planet. Therefore there is a human homeworld somewhere

2) No planet currently known to New Eden's archaeologists shows any sign of human habitation older than about ten to fifteen thousand years.

3) that being the case, it is reasonable to assume that the human homeworld is not present in New Eden, though there is some reasonable doubt due to the unexplored nature of W-space and the secretive approach of the Jovian Directorate.

4) there are space-based structures dated as being about as old as the oldest recorded civilisations in New Eden.

5) that being the case, it is reasonable to assume that human civilisation came to New Eden already at an advanced state of interstellar travel technology.

6) there is an anomaly in the New Eden system and an artificial structure in close proximity to it.

7) Many cultures all over the cluster have independently kept the "legend" of Earth and how human colonists came through a giant intergalactic wormhole.

8) There is no reliable evidence that contradicts this theory. absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

9) Therefore the theory must be considered credible.

That's about as far as it goes, though. The most a scientist and archaeologist could say would be "we can't disprove the Earth theory". There's a vast and nigh-insurmountable academic gulf between that and being able to definitively say that that's how it happened.

it's like the "theories" of Evolution, plate tectonics and climate change in the real world. There is little or no credible evidence to contradict them, they are the theories most widely accepted by the majority of the scientific community, but there are still groups of people - including academics - of varying population who reject or dismiss them. Not least because all three of those theories are "broad strokes" summarizations of the general shape of what's going on, not specific and accurate statements about the exact mechanisms.

I can imagine the sheer outlandishness of the idea would cause there to be quite a lot of both academic and political rejection of the Earth Theory in New Eden, but also that anyone who takes the scientific method seriously would have to admit that the theory cannot be disproven.

Zenko Incorporated
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:16:00 - [5]

Stitcher forgot one clue. What little remains from the ancient jump bridge network seems to be mostly linked radially from the system of New Eden, therefore making it a likely nexus of that system. So those "in the know" may be able to tell that assuming the anomaly is the remains of a wormhole, that's where people come from.

The citizens, of course, are not necessarily "in the know". While not even the Amarr are on a Warhammer-style Imperium level of diversity, some worlds may be having still partially industrial or modern-level civilizations. Naturally, what's lacking for knowledge is the territory of beliefs, then. (The Jove did it, etc.)

Kerrio DiSantis
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:49:00 - [6]

So, in essence, people don't have a recorded history of their immigration into New Eden - it has been lost during the dark ages and may have survived in some sort of myths and legends which may be material for quite some good holovid stories, but little more.

On the other hand, scientists (especially archaeologists, anthropologists and geneticists) do find a lot of clues that the legends may be based on fact (genetic drift, migration patterns, ruins, and so on) but a lot of puzzle pieces are missing or even misinterpreted - for example, common belief is that the EvE gate has been built by some super-advanced (quite right), maybe alien race rather than by humans.

To complicate matters, there are already signs of civilizations come and gone - the Yan Yung (sp?), Takmahl and others and isn't clear whether they are of human origin or not...

So, for example, a theory stating that the EvE gate may have been built by some 'super-race' which transplanted humans from 'the other side' to New Eden would be plausible (at least to a citizen of New Eden) as well, even more so because it's considerably older than recorded human history in this galaxy.

Jowen Datloran
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2011.07.05 15:24:00 - [7]

I think it is important to notice that the "group" that came through the EVE gate was not an unified group. There is no indication in the backstory that mankind had achieved some greater sense of unity before the construction and closure of the EVE Gate.

In fact, we learn that the each of the four major empires are the descendants of four very politically and socially different groups that colonized New Eden. It is very likely that many more distinct groups entered New Eden (like the Jove), maybe even with trivial tasks as motivation (the Talocan might simply be the engineering company responsible for construction of stargates).

I find it very wrong to believe that the people who entered New Eden would think of themselves as a single group of 'Terrans'. Many of them had likely never set foot on Earth in generations, like the Tau Ceti emigrants and the Conformists. What record of Earth these people could have had (or interest in having so) is questionable in the first place.


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