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abizal
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:36:00 - [1]
 

Ok so what do you think is better?
the Megathron or the Hyperion?

discus away! :D

ChromeStriker
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:40:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: ChromeStriker on 04/07/2011 09:41:35
Mega, God thats a sexy ship

If im going to be flying around shooting things and possibly die'ing, then im going to do it looking good!

baltec1
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:53:00 - [3]
 

Well I like the extra tracking and cost of the mega, but I like the looks and extra buffer of the hyperion.

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Dark Voynix
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:54:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: ChromeStriker
Edited by: ChromeStriker on 04/07/2011 09:41:35
Mega, God thats a sexy ship

If im going to be flying around shooting things and possibly die'ing, then im going to do it looking good!


Hell,
im pretty sure she aim to win not to die. :D:D:D

Anyway, The mega is overall better, but hype tanks a lot more. Usually the mega is passive buffered and with 2-3 damage mods. Insane dps but no active tank. On the other hands, hype have excellent active tank (2-3 LARS with 2x heavy cap booster), but have to use electrons and no damage mods.

If you are solo ( solo bs? O_o ) really cant say what is better, noen of them are particulary good.
Mega used to be good before web nerf, but nowadays ...

In gangs the mega is better if you have logistics,if not probably the hype have better survivability, but contribute less in term of dps.

abizal
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:10:00 - [5]
 

well Im going to fly with logistics so I geuss Im better of with an Megathron! :D anyone knows a kickass loadout theyre willing to share? :)

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:22:00 - [6]
 

If you think the mega looks better than hype you are blind tbh. Especially with shield tank hype looks great.

Dark Voynix
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:41:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Dark Voynix on 04/07/2011 12:43:18
high:
7x neutron blaster II,
1x 500w neut

med:
1x Quad lif mwd,
1x faint distruptor
2x x5 proto web

low:
1x dcII
3x damage mods II
1x 1600mm rolled II
1x eanm II
1x adaptive nano plating II ( or faction c-type )

rigs:
3x trimarks

drones:
ogres, or benserkers ( explo dammage), or 5x heavy ecm

Implats:
Slaves if affordable

Somebody prefer medium booster instead of second webber to help sustain mwd and point ( since you dont active tank a medium booster makes wonder), but you have to get some cpu wrom somewhere to make it fit ( faction damage mod or amarr eanm instead of t2 ? ), or if you have already tackler you can sacrifice the point.

Mona X
Caldari
Missions Mining and Mayhem
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:43:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: abizal
well Im going to fly with logistics so I geuss Im better of with an Megathron! :D anyone knows a kickass loadout theyre willing to share? :)


Ions, MWD, some tackle, heavy cap iniector, EANM, c-type ANP, one or two 1600s, two or three magstabs, suitcase, heavy neut, trimarks, drones.

Idicious Lightbane
Percussive Diplomacy
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:09:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Dark Voynix
Edited by: Dark Voynix on 04/07/2011 12:43:18
high:
7x neutron blaster II,
1x 500w neut

med:
1x Quad lif mwd,
1x faint distruptor
2x x5 proto web

low:
1x dcII
3x damage mods II
1x 1600mm rolled II
1x eanm II
1x adaptive nano plating II ( or faction c-type )

rigs:
3x trimarks

drones:
ogres, or benserkers ( explo dammage), or 5x heavy ecm

Implats:
Slaves if affordable

Somebody prefer medium booster instead of second webber to help sustain mwd and point ( since you dont active tank a medium booster makes wonder), but you have to get some cpu wrom somewhere to make it fit ( faction damage mod or amarr eanm instead of t2 ? ), or if you have already tackler you can sacrifice the point.


A fairly cheap way of free-ing up cpu without gimping your ship or making it to expensive is to use C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating instead of EANM II's. They are around 10 mil each and give only .5% lower resists than an EANM II for the cost of just 1PG.

Dark Voynix
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:21:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Idicious Lightbane
Originally by: Dark Voynix
Edited by: Dark Voynix on 04/07/2011 12:43:18
high:
7x neutron blaster II,
1x 500w neut

med:
1x Quad lif mwd,
1x faint distruptor
2x x5 proto web

low:
1x dcII
3x damage mods II
1x 1600mm rolled II
1x eanm II
1x adaptive nano plating II ( or faction c-type )

rigs:
3x trimarks

drones:
ogres, or benserkers ( explo dammage), or 5x heavy ecm

Implats:
Slaves if affordable

Somebody prefer medium booster instead of second webber to help sustain mwd and point ( since you dont active tank a medium booster makes wonder), but you have to get some cpu wrom somewhere to make it fit ( faction damage mod or amarr eanm instead of t2 ? ), or if you have already tackler you can sacrifice the point.


A fairly cheap way of free-ing up cpu without gimping your ship or making it to expensive is to use C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating instead of EANM II's. They are around 10 mil each and give only .5% lower resists than an EANM II for the cost of just 1PG.


I know..
my fit already suggest a c-type, and one is enough to put the fit i posted.

The work its neended only if you want a medium electrochemical booster. in that case the second c-type anp is the cheapest way, but with some more money you can get an amar eanm that gives you 22,5% base omni resist.

Its more expensive, true, but the cost is not prohibitive and ehp will be quite better.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.07.04 16:13:00 - [11]
 

I avoid the fitting issues by making them shield buffer fits. Lots of room plus you get the speed to get in range. Granted this means you lose the webs but most roams I go on has at least one huginn. It also means you are more mobile which is everything in these days of nano and AC ships.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.07.04 19:53:00 - [12]
 

Mega has another low, two useful bonuses and a bigger drone bay.

Telvani
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:12:00 - [13]
 

Hype for max gank, shield buffer.

Mega for armour buffer and utility.


I prefer the mega for 95% of situations, heavy neut is worth loads, massive buffer, heavy drones, what more do you want.

As far as active tanking BS go the mael is far better than an armor hype, and the domi is arguably better than the hype for active armor.

To mare
Amarr
Advanced Technology
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:39:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: To mare on 05/07/2011 13:41:36
Originally by: Telvani

As far as active tanking BS go the mael is far better than an armor hype


if you are active tanking you are probably solo or ina really small gang (or else you are doing it wrong)
in that situation you need tackle and maybe a mwd
mael sure have more range but you cant put a reliable active tank with just 3-4 slot with one of them being a injector

both the ships have their pros and cons

edit: the main problem if we wanna say it all its the abaddon being a far better active tanker than the hype

Ghost Nightmare
Posted - 2011.07.05 14:30:00 - [15]
 


With my skills and implants:

[Hyperion, New Setup 2]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x4

189,393 EHP
1001 DPS
716 m/s

[Megathron, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x5

169,864 EHP
1098 DPS
690 m/s


Hyp has more buffer, and similar damage, however the mega has a heavy neut which is a huge added bonus.

Depends entirely what you think youll end up fighting.

Personally id just use an Abaddon :P





Richard Faze
Pimpin' Ain't Easy
Posted - 2011.07.05 16:02:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Ghost Nightmare

With my skills and implants:

[Hyperion, New Setup 2]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
100MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x4

189,393 EHP
1001 DPS
716 m/s

[Megathron, New Setup 1]
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Centii C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Medium Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Quad LiF Fueled I Booster Rockets

Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Neutron Blaster Cannon II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I

Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I
Large Trimark Armor Pump I


Ogre II x5

169,864 EHP
1098 DPS
690 m/s




Good fits, just remember both are gang ships as like a lot of tier 2/3 BSs they both suffer from 'die to a rifter' syndrome. I don't think you can beat the good the old cheap flying potato domi when it comes to gal BSs, it has a much larger engagement envelope than hypes and megas and can still break well over 1k dps. Sad

Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
Posted - 2011.07.06 15:37:00 - [17]
 

Does anyone fly theirs with a couple zerker SW-900's?

To mare
Amarr
Advanced Technology
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Wannabehero
Does anyone fly theirs with a couple zerker SW-900's?

web are stacking penalized + sw-900 dont slow that much make them useless when you already have 1 midslot web

RC Denton
Posted - 2011.07.06 20:05:00 - [19]
 

The hyp really seems to be a solution in search of a problem. I'd go with the Mega for pvp. Close to the same DPS, close to the same tank, larger drone bandwidth, and a utility high for NOS or whatever. Plus the mega is faster. However I'd rather go with a geddon over either of these.

Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
Posted - 2011.07.06 20:10:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: To mare
Originally by: Wannabehero
Does anyone fly theirs with a couple zerker SW-900's?

web are stacking penalized + sw-900 dont slow that much make them useless when you already have 1 midslot web


It is not about keeping them slow once in range, it is about getting your opponent in range to begin with.

Two SW-900's equal ~33% web strength, and have a realistic range of 55km traveling at 1800 to 1850 m/s (depending on your skill level). They also begin to web targets at 10km, helping reduce the travel time needed before they begin to slow an enemy down.

With 2 SW-900's on it, a shield (or active armor with no armor rigs) tanked typhoon moves slower than a double plated, triple trimarked mega.

Just throwing it out there.

Sydney Nelson
Posted - 2011.07.13 23:52:00 - [21]
 

If you fly in a gang, then look at this fit.
Gang Hype 1500DPS with good range.
Shield buff, high DPS Hype like this would rock in a gang.
I think the prob with most Hype fits is that people don't think outside the box.

Thomas Orca
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.14 03:15:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Sydney Nelson
If you fly in a gang, then look at this fit.
Gang Hype 1500DPS with good range.
Shield buff, high DPS Hype like this would rock in a gang.
I think the prob with most Hype fits is that people don't think outside the box.


If by don't think outside the box, you mean try to use ship bonuses, then yes.

mama guru
Gallente
Thundercats
Posted - 2011.07.14 18:52:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: mama guru on 14/07/2011 18:52:30
Originally by: Sydney Nelson
If you fly in a gang, then look at this fit.
Gang Hype 1500DPS with good range.
Shield buff, high DPS Hype like this would rock in a gang.
I think the prob with most Hype fits is that people don't think outside the box.


That fit is not good for a number of reasons, one of which is that any projectile or laser boat can do a better job at the role you are trying to shoehorn it into. Blasters in their current state are highly underwhelming for medium and large sized ships outside of single or two man work in pvp. It's going to be at the very edge of its optimal+falloff using Null L at 40km, all while being slower than a tempest and having less range and utility not to mention the cost and lack of flexability (ability to change role without changing rigs).

Ultimately the hyperion is a Niche pvp ship designed for active tanking. Had hybrids been different it might have had a prominent role as a PVE ship but it's 8 turrets and low powergrid kind of limits it's use in additions to railguns being absolute ****.


There is not a single role except active tanking while doing 1k dps that can't be preformed better by the megathron or the dominix currently.

Gabriel Karade
Gallente
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
Posted - 2011.07.15 14:47:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Sydney Nelson
If you fly in a gang, then look at this fit.
Gang Hype 1500DPS with good range.
Shield buff, high DPS Hype like this would rock in a gang.
I think the prob with most Hype fits is that people don't think outside the box.
'think outside the box' as in, 'peeing into the wind'?

I often see people post along these lines - "GADZOOKS! 1500DPS!!!!" [No, that's Heat damage and slow moving Ogre II damage included], "OMG 40km!!!!!11" [Optimal range dear boy, optimal range...] with apparently no understanding Falloff and why Blasters shoe-horned into this role are just a poor mans Pulse-laser...

Faydin Smith
Posted - 2011.07.17 02:29:00 - [25]
 

Ijust dont know why the megathorn is more popular than hypersion. If you compare the fit and the abilities, i think hypersion wins.

Here is why

8 high vs 7 high hype win
5 mid vs 4 mid hype win again
6 low vs 7 low mega win

both ships get buff to large hybrid so its a tie. The only thing different is the tracking vs repair bonus.
if you fit the mid slot with a tracking computer on the hype , you pretty much have the same tracking as mega. Now mega still get a extra low slot compare to the hype, but hype get massive repair bonus so it can afford to use 3 hardener and still be equal if not better than hype tank.

I know the mega get better sensor range but hype get better cap, armor and speed. All it comes down to is wether you want extra 37% healing or 1 extra low slot. because the mega tracking can be negated with a mid slot fitted tracking computer. Not to mention hype get 8 gun slots vs mega 7....








Biggles AU
Posted - 2011.07.17 03:53:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Faydin Smith
Ijust dont know why the megathorn is more popular than hypersion. If you compare the fit and the abilities, i think hypersion wins.

Here is why

8 high vs 7 high hype win
5 mid vs 4 mid hype win again
6 low vs 7 low mega win

both ships get buff to large hybrid so its a tie. The only thing different is the tracking vs repair bonus.
if you fit the mid slot with a tracking computer on the hype , you pretty much have the same tracking as mega. Now mega still get a extra low slot compare to the hype, but hype get massive repair bonus so it can afford to use 3 hardener and still be equal if not better than hype tank.

I know the mega get better sensor range but hype get better cap, armor and speed. All it comes down to is wether you want extra 37% healing or 1 extra low slot. because the mega tracking can be negated with a mid slot fitted tracking computer. Not to mention hype get 8 gun slots vs mega 7....




Because its a comparison for pvp. and no one really active tanks a bs for pvp. But yes hyperion looks decent in EFT, dunno about actual performance though. Suppose reason for this post.

Shereza
Posted - 2011.07.17 04:21:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Wannabehero
Originally by: To mare
Originally by: Wannabehero
Does anyone fly theirs with a couple zerker SW-900's?

web are stacking penalized + sw-900 dont slow that much make them useless when you already have 1 midslot web


It is not about keeping them slow once in range, it is about getting your opponent in range to begin with.

Two SW-900's equal ~33% web strength, and have a realistic range of 55km traveling at 1800 to 1850 m/s (depending on your skill level). They also begin to web targets at 10km, helping reduce the travel time needed before they begin to slow an enemy down.

With 2 SW-900's on it, a shield (or active armor with no armor rigs) tanked typhoon moves slower than a double plated, triple trimarked mega.

Just throwing it out there.


Downsides to them other than their per drone speed reduction of 20%/33%/41.5%/44.6875%/45.9375% are their slow speeds (1875m/s maximum without drone navigation mods) and the fact that they're large drones which makes them pretty easy to lock up and, eventually, kill. In point of fact they have less structure than any medium drone, less armor than the (T2) medium drones, and if they rank second highest on shields when compared to medium drones they're second lowest when compared to heavies.

Frankly, 25m3/mb/drone for something that provides a smaller speed reduction than a T1 webber (which sucks given that before they got nerfed the were comparable to mid-range named webbers) with a larger signature radius than any heavy drone, overall less HP than most medium drones, and lower top speeds than said medium drones, even if it is higher than heavy drones at 1875m/s, is of dubious value.

Originally by: Faydin Smith
8 high vs 7 high hype win
...
Not to mention hype get 8 gun slots vs mega 7....



If you're going to compare gun hardpoints then you should probably stipulate hardpoints. As it stands in terms of high slots they tie, the hyperion doesn't win. They both have 8 high slots.

Firh
Posted - 2011.07.17 05:01:00 - [28]
 

I prefer the Mega, it's just a more all-round ship. Then again, the Dominix is far better than both of them but not as cool looking as the Mega.

Reldor Silverheart
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.17 11:27:00 - [29]
 

Having flown both the mega and the hyperion in pvp i find the mega being better overall, better fitting options, better tracking etc among other things. however if you got near perfect fitting skills the hyperion can be a very good ship. But if your skills are only good itäs a mediocre ship at best.

I love the hyperion, but it's got to be one of the most fitting intensive gallente battleships of the three, it could really do with some extra powergrid.

J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.17 11:41:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: J Kunjeh on 17/07/2011 11:42:16
I've never flown either, but for what it's worth the Mega looks so badass that I'd suffer whatever shortfalls it might have just to fly it (though the Hyperion is damn fine too). On a more serious note, I'm happy to see many here recommending it because it's the #1 ship in the game I'm jonesing to fly.


 

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