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Mr R4nd0m
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:48:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 04/07/2011 08:51:34


Seriously, you all stand together and actually do something, then all it took was a statement that was what a few lines long, didnt address really anything and there was loads of stuff outside this MT issue that needed sorting, and the people who are still standing up about this, you have turned against and slate on the forums and become CCP lapdogs again..

Pretty shameful tbh..

Peer Pressure
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:49:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: Mr R4nd0m



QFT

Walextheone
The Red Circle Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:07:00 - [3]
 

Hysterical attention seeking drama queen?

You want people standing on the barricades for every thing that does not suit you? Games and specially MMOs will always have things thats not optimal. Sometimes is worth to make your voice heard but seriously just take a breath and enjoy the game for a while too.

The big thing about gold ammo is not going to happend, other stuff like bad performance etc are being worked on.

Dorvab Arnst
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:44:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Mr R4nd0m
Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 04/07/2011 08:51:34


Seriously, you all stand together and actually do something, then all it took was a statement that was what a few lines long, didnt address really anything and there was loads of stuff outside this MT issue that needed sorting, and the people who are still standing up about this, you have turned against and slate on the forums and become CCP lapdogs again..

Pretty shameful tbh..


Im new...I can haz your stuffs?

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:48:00 - [5]
 

It's simple. They're sheep. Most were never leaving in the first place they just wanted to see if they could control CCP with their actions, and the rest just wanted to jump on to the bandwagon.

If you're still unhappy with the game, leave. Why do you need the forums approval? You're just as bad as the people you're flaming.

Estrelita Nobunaga
Posted - 2011.07.04 10:01:00 - [6]
 

1. I asked one question,
2. I got an answer.
3. Even if the answer was a total lie, as I suspect, it fulfilled my conditions for re-activating my subscription.

A lot of useless mouth garbage and empty threats are going to make CCP stop pretending to listen again.

STFU

Gwenywell Shumuku
Posted - 2011.07.04 10:13:00 - [7]
 

Look, whatever. Nothing they could have said would have helped, TRUST was broken. So, all you have to decide is if you can trust CCP or not on the statement.

YES - stay and play till they mess up next time
NO - leave and check in from time to time to see if they keep the promise, resub if yes

Now, ppl decided to wait for their actions. If they mess up the Winter-expansion, or the next one, they will leave.

Don't think for one moment that the rage won't come back as soons as we see the first sign of p2w (anything even remotely close to it).

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.04 10:19:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
It's simple. They're sheep. Most were never leaving in the first place they just wanted to see if they could control CCP with their actions, and the rest just wanted to jump on to the bandwagon.


And I would've gotten away with it too if it wasn't for you darned teenagers.

A Little Girl
Posted - 2011.07.04 10:23:00 - [9]
 

Op likes to bot! Getim!

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.04 10:27:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Suitonia
It's simple. They're sheep. Most were never leaving in the first place they just wanted to see if they could control CCP with their actions, and the rest just wanted to jump on to the bandwagon.

If you're still unhappy with the game, leave. Why do you need the forums approval? You're just as bad as the people you're flaming.



All protesters wanted to send CCP a message, they did and got a response, for some the response was enough to keep them here a bit longer at least.

The answer that was given was not satisfactory for me, but if others feel it did enough then I can respect how they feel, it's their choice. It does not mean they won't leave in the future.

Ozmodan
Minmatar
Massively Mob
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:02:00 - [11]
 

Actually the only sad thing is you beating a dead horse.

If you have not figured it out yet, change is inevitable, if you can't adjust to simple changes in a game I feel sorry for you.

RAW23
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:05:00 - [12]
 

The answers given were completely inadequate insofar as addressing the issues goes and they were also riddled with bull****.

HOWEVER, no-one who was ****ed off with CCP will accept legalistic analyses should CCP ever come to change their 'plans'. They will simply take it as a straightforward act of deceit. So, whilst the statement does not bind CCP to any course of behaviour it is clearly meant to make the player-base think that CCP is actually committed to a certain approach. If there is the least hint of a departure from that approach, regardless of the fact that CCP has provided themselves with wiggle room, my feeling is that people will call it for the crap that it is and leave this game to die a slow death. Given the huge loss of trust in CCP, anything except exemplary behaviour on this front will, I think, be disastrous for them.

Personally, I'm still in two minds as to whether to re-plex all my accounts at the end of the month.

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:11:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Ozmodan
Actually the only sad thing is you beating a dead horse.

If you have not figured it out yet, change is inevitable, if you can't adjust to simple changes in a game I feel sorry for you.



That's the point, it's just a game. In a game you can adapt to change by just leaving the game and doing something else.

Arnaud Lefevre
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:49:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Arnaud Lefevre on 04/07/2011 11:50:08
Originally by: Mr R4nd0m
Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 04/07/2011 08:51:34

Seriously, you all stand together and actually do something, then all it took was a statement that was what a few lines long, [that] didn't address really anything and there was loads of stuff outside this MT issue that needed sorting, and the people who are still standing up about this, you have turned against and slate on the forums and become CCP lapdogs again..

Pretty shameful tbh..


Actually, in order for us to feel shame we would have to feel as though there is something wrong with us (the protestors). In my opinion those who protested achieved nothing to feel shame about even if you do.

Why not, well not because the majority wanted the magic CCP shop selling game changing products and services, no, because they chose not to see Fearless as the thin end of the wedge. Some, I include myself, didn't want to take that risk and unsubbed anticipating that it was - and for me CCP's statement satisfied me there, because I don't hate incarna, and I feel reassured that CCP are back on track again. In the absence of an alternative bargaining group, reflecting the protestors views, we were obliged to abide by agreements made on our behalf - CSM are, de-facto, our side of the negotiating committee with a democratic mandate, who are you?

I don't believe that most of the protestors hate incarna either, they just don't care if it doesn't break their game. If, however, in the alternative they do well then it would have been easy to see that the CSM would not have been the appropriate bargaining group to make that case, as the CSM's positions are on record. Let's not forget there were are plenty of people who didn't support collective action to influence CCP's decision of any sort.

Valari Nala Zena
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:15:00 - [15]
 

So, what did this forum storm really get the players in the end? Think about it...

What people wanted to hear is that there is never going to be any plans for game changing MT.
CCP didn't make that statement, we just know that there are currently no plans.
The NeX prices are not changing.
If you think about it, apart from some apologies, nothing changed.

Like Hilmar's mail said, CCP doesn't look at what we say, they look at what we do.
Unless enough people actually biomass and cancel accounts so they lose enough money in the long run it's not going to matter.

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:18:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Valari Nala Zena
So, what did this forum storm really get the players in the end? Think about it...

What people wanted to hear is that there is never going to be any plans for game changing MT.
CCP didn't make that statement, we just know that there are currently no plans.
The NeX prices are not changing.
If you think about it, apart from some apologies, nothing changed.

Like Hilmar's mail said, CCP doesn't look at what we say, they look at what we do.
Unless enough people actually biomass and cancel accounts so they lose enough money in the long run it's not going to matter.



Go ahead biomass your character if you like, but don't try to bull**** others into biomassing their's just because you want them to.

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:27:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mr R4nd0m
Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 04/07/2011 08:51:34


Seriously, you all stand together and actually do something, then all it took was a statement that was what a few lines long, didnt address really anything and there was loads of stuff outside this MT issue that needed sorting, and the people who are still standing up about this, you have turned against and slate on the forums and become CCP lapdogs again..

Pretty shameful tbh..


+1

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:39:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Mithrasith
Originally by: Mr R4nd0m
Edited by: Mr R4nd0m on 04/07/2011 08:51:34


Seriously, you all stand together and actually do something, then all it took was a statement that was what a few lines long, didnt address really anything and there was loads of stuff outside this MT issue that needed sorting, and the people who are still standing up about this, you have turned against and slate on the forums and become CCP lapdogs again..

Pretty shameful tbh..


+1



Lol, it's nothing to do with people being lapdogs to CCP.

The statement given does not lock things down into absolutes. Therefore people have to make up their own minds, they will do what they think is right for them. If they believe what CCP says or are even willing to give them the benefit of the doubt for now, that is their choice.

Truth of the matter is, we all think we know what is going to happen but what we think may happen may also not happen.



Dele Anneto
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:48:00 - [19]
 

My word,

Im a newbie to EVE and over the last two weeks ive been doing some research and finding out what this fuss is all about only to be disapointed

Sounds like a lot of noise about nothing to me

I never thought id ever find a forum worse than the WoW Forums, until i found the Eve forums

Valari Nala Zena
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:54:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Tanya Fox
Originally by: Valari Nala Zena
So, what did this forum storm really get the players in the end? Think about it...

What people wanted to hear is that there is never going to be any plans for game changing MT.
CCP didn't make that statement, we just know that there are currently no plans.
The NeX prices are not changing.
If you think about it, apart from some apologies, nothing changed.

Like Hilmar's mail said, CCP doesn't look at what we say, they look at what we do.
Unless enough people actually biomass and cancel accounts so they lose enough money in the long run it's not going to matter.



Go ahead biomass your character if you like, but don't try to bull**** others into biomassing their's just because you want them to.


Most people don't care enough to cancel and never come back. I'm just saying that is what CCP really cares about.
I didn't say i wanted people to biomass, why would i care if you or anyone else biomasses or not.

Like so many other people, i'm just on the forums for the drama, i don't care what CCP does with the nex market, ill be able to pay gold ammo with isk eventually anyway.

Syphon Lodian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:57:00 - [21]
 

I don't know, maybe, perhaps, it's possible that you people should get this involved and worked up over things that matter in this world.

I'm quite astonished that people have taken this all so seriously with all the things going on in this world. I think it's pretty evident by this hysteria the past week alone, that people are looking for something to "stand up" against. Yea, the "trust" factor was compromised a bit in the past few days, but EVE is still here, same as it always was.

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:03:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Valari Nala Zena
Originally by: Tanya Fox
Originally by: Valari Nala Zena
So, what did this forum storm really get the players in the end? Think about it...

What people wanted to hear is that there is never going to be any plans for game changing MT.
CCP didn't make that statement, we just know that there are currently no plans.
The NeX prices are not changing.
If you think about it, apart from some apologies, nothing changed.

Like Hilmar's mail said, CCP doesn't look at what we say, they look at what we do.
Unless enough people actually biomass and cancel accounts so they lose enough money in the long run it's not going to matter.



Go ahead biomass your character if you like, but don't try to bull**** others into biomassing their's just because you want them to.


Most people don't care enough to cancel and never come back. I'm just saying that is what CCP really cares about.
I didn't say i wanted people to biomass, why would i care if you or anyone else biomasses or not.

Like so many other people, i'm just on the forums for the drama, i don't care what CCP does with the nex market, ill be able to pay gold ammo with isk eventually anyway.





The bit of your quote below suggests you're saying biomass your characters to make a point to CCP. So if everyone that wanted to make a point to CCP did as you said and they did make a statement set in stone, then what use would that be to everyone that biomassed their characters?

Originally by: Valari Nala Zena

Like Hilmar's mail said, CCP doesn't look at what we say, they look at what we do.
Unless enough people actually biomass and cancel accounts so they lose enough money

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:07:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Syphon Lodian
I don't know, maybe, perhaps, it's possible that you people should get this involved and worked up over things that matter in this world.

I'm quite astonished that people have taken this all so seriously with all the things going on in this world. I think it's pretty evident by this hysteria the past week alone, that people are looking for something to "stand up" against. Yea, the "trust" factor was compromised a bit in the past few days, but EVE is still here, same as it always was.


I dont think that's it at all. I dont condone a company, or a person abusing me and/or treating me with disdain/disrespect, and that is what CCP has done. They have showed that they dont respect, value or appreciate their customer base, and it comes straight down from the CEO.

Their attitude overwhelmingly is "We know what's best, we're the greatest, the customers will do what we tell them to do, and we'll milk this golden goose for all of the ca$h that we can to build other games".

I dont condone that attitude at all, and if I dont condone it, I wont do business with them, it's that simple. It's called having self-respect and principles.

The proof is evident, CCP hasnt listened to its customer base for years. Their whole goal was to increase subs by adding new shiney content rather than fixing balance issues and completing existing content, and many things that have been outstanding for a long time. And this incident tells me that despite all of their assurances over the past two years NOTHING HAS CHANGED. They will continue to act in this manner, not listen to their player base, not fix fundamental balance issues, and continue to milk this game and drive it into the ground.

Do I think there are more important things in the world? Absolutely, and Im involved in many of them in my r/l, but that doesnt change how I react to this situation. Its the same for all of the things Im involved with in my life. Dont respect me? Fine, Ill go elsewhere.


ninjaholic
Gallente
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:10:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Dele Anneto
My word,

Im a newbie to EVE and over the last two weeks ive been doing some research and finding out what this fuss is all about only to be disapointed

Sounds like a lot of noise about nothing to me

I never thought id ever find a forum worse than the WoW Forums, until i found the Eve forums


Admitting you play(ed) World of Failcraft is instantly going to get people listening to you in here. You're already showing that you've nothing but noise to contribute. *claps*

Also, if you're going to slate the Eve subscribers for standing against capitalism and greed, the very least you could do is spell-check your post, and learn some grammar.

Merkur Avar
Kotodama Corp
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:17:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: ninjaholic
Originally by: Dele Anneto
My word,

Im a newbie to EVE and over the last two weeks ive been doing some research and finding out what this fuss is all about only to be disapointed

Sounds like a lot of noise about nothing to me

I never thought id ever find a forum worse than the WoW Forums, until i found the Eve forums


Admitting you play(ed) World of Failcraft is instantly going to get people listening to you in here. You're already showing that you've nothing but noise to contribute. *claps*

Also, if you're going to slate the Eve subscribers for standing against capitalism and greed, the very least you could do is spell-check your post, and learn some grammar.


Standing against capitalism? Are you joking? Capitalism is exactly why you can sit on your lazy bum at the moment to play EVE Online. Sure, it is far from perfect, but let me just remind you that CCP at no point had any concrete plans about implementing game-breaking MTs. That is exactly what made these protests ridiculous.

I also predicted that 90% of cancellers would return within two weeks. Seems I am very right about that also. Though I remain glad this whole unnecessary ****storm is over with.

dicen3
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:22:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Merkur Avar
Originally by: ninjaholic
Originally by: Dele Anneto
My word,

Im a newbie to EVE and over the last two weeks ive been doing some research and finding out what this fuss is all about only to be disapointed

Sounds like a lot of noise about nothing to me

I never thought id ever find a forum worse than the WoW Forums, until i found the Eve forums


Admitting you play(ed) World of Failcraft is instantly going to get people listening to you in here. You're already showing that you've nothing but noise to contribute. *claps*

Also, if you're going to slate the Eve subscribers for standing against capitalism and greed, the very least you could do is spell-check your post, and learn some grammar.


Standing against capitalism? Are you joking? Capitalism is exactly why you can sit on your lazy bum at the moment to play EVE Online. Sure, it is far from perfect, but let me just remind you that CCP at no point had any concrete plans about implementing game-breaking MTs. That is exactly what made these protests ridiculous.

I also predicted that 90% of cancellers would return within two weeks. Seems I am very right about that also. Though I remain glad this whole unnecessary ****storm is over with.

Of course CCP didn't. They would never, ever, ever scew us over. They are priests. They are sent to us by God! We must bown down to their reverence. All worship CCP, the one honest coporation in the world. Make sure to give them 20% of your income. They deserve it. They have more games to develop! (but can't seam to ever release)

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:22:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: ninjaholic
Originally by: Dele Anneto
My word,

Im a newbie to EVE and over the last two weeks ive been doing some research and finding out what this fuss is all about only to be disapointed

Sounds like a lot of noise about nothing to me

I never thought id ever find a forum worse than the WoW Forums, until i found the Eve forums


Admitting you play(ed) World of Failcraft is instantly going to get people listening to you in here. You're already showing that you've nothing but noise to contribute. *claps*

Also, if you're going to slate the Eve subscribers for standing against capitalism and greed, the very least you could do is spell-check your post, and learn some grammar.



He's a new player, he's not going to understand the reasoning behind the protests unless he's spent a lot of time over the last 2 weeks on these forums.

As for forums worse than WoW, probably not, but you could be forgiven for having thoughts along those lines.

I've played WoW in the past, it would not surprise me if there's just as many people that have played WoW and are no longer playing it as people actually playing it now.

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:22:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Merkur Avar
Originally by: ninjaholic
Originally by: Dele Anneto
My word,

Im a newbie to EVE and over the last two weeks ive been doing some research and finding out what this fuss is all about only to be disapointed

Sounds like a lot of noise about nothing to me

I never thought id ever find a forum worse than the WoW Forums, until i found the Eve forums


Admitting you play(ed) World of Failcraft is instantly going to get people listening to you in here. You're already showing that you've nothing but noise to contribute. *claps*

Also, if you're going to slate the Eve subscribers for standing against capitalism and greed, the very least you could do is spell-check your post, and learn some grammar.


Standing against capitalism? Are you joking? Capitalism is exactly why you can sit on your lazy bum at the moment to play EVE Online. Sure, it is far from perfect, but let me just remind you that CCP at no point had any concrete plans about implementing game-breaking MTs. That is exactly what made these protests ridiculous.

I also predicted that 90% of cancellers would return within two weeks. Seems I am very right about that also. Though I remain glad this whole unnecessary ****storm is over with.


Let me correct you. The protest for me, and many of the other vets is not necessarily against MT. Yes P2W is slightly concerning, and I dont put it past CCP to include it later in the game, and deny it for the moment, but that also isnt the issue.

The heart of the issue is the lack of respect that CCP has for its player base. It's being called a Golden Goose for them to milk. It has to do with them taking the majority of the cash they make from our subs to develop other games and/or add new shiney content to EVE to attract more subs rather than fix existing bugs, issues, balance problems and missing content that has been promised time and time and time again.

Its about being treated like sh*t, and then Hilmar laughing at the player base after he takes a hot steaming dump on your chest and says "let me see what you're going to do, not what you say".

Its an attitude issue, an attitude that is going to get worse. Ive watched it get worse over the last 2-3 years (Ive been playing since 2005), and this incident tells me its only going to get worse, and worse and worse.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:24:00 - [29]
 

Perhaps many of the ones that were leaving left. The ones that wanted to wait for an answer were satisfied with the answer. The people who didn't care still don't care. What else should anyone have done?

Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
Posted - 2011.07.04 13:25:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Jennifer Starling on 04/07/2011 13:27:11
Originally by: Dele Anneto
I never thought id ever find a forum worse than the WoW Forums, until i found the Eve forums

It can be pretty horrible, I have to confess I also never seen anything like it on the GW, WoW (Euro), L2, WAR, Aion or any other game forum.

Fortunately the forum vets aren't representative for the average gamer you meet in-game.


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