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Vanilla Reaver
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:13:00 - [1]
 

No mention from CCP in thier statement, and only a brief statement from CSM.
What up CCP?
Or was this whole thing about improving communication a lie? Because a way to do that is to address the problems, not wash them away.
IMHO fire the entire WoD dev team (sorry guys but no-one will play that game now) and spend thier wages hiring an entire FLOTIA of people who PLAY EVE to work for you on the forums as a gateway between your customers and CCP. Don't just have the CSM who you don't really listen to anyway.

And you people who say s**t stirrers should GTFO, how can you stoop so low to accept and not challange goods you pay $1000+ for? (Yes, i have two accounts since 2005, do the math)

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:14:00 - [2]
 

CCP employees are instructed to say they are appalled by it, which they did, what more do you want?

Oh you want action...
It's not your lucky day son.

CCP maintain their position on all matters, stir in some platitudes and everybody is happy.

baltec1
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:17:00 - [3]
 

I pay twice that for my car insurance a year and it might be going up dispite my no claims which is more of a worry for me.

Zagdul
Gallente
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:18:00 - [4]
 

Himlar is right.

He needs to stop listening to the whiny **** on these forums.


Vanilla Ninja
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:20:00 - [5]
 

Well unless Iím blind (could be) the official statement thingy doesn't say a word of apology (nor mention) about the email, only 'Fearless'.

I hate the way eve is going, like seeing the fuel gauge going to E in your car and youíre in the middle of nowhere, thereís only one thing you can do: drive on until you crash and burn (or run out of fuel).

Sad

Michelear
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:21:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
No mention from CCP in thier statement, and only a brief statement from CSM.
What up CCP?
Or was this whole thing about improving communication a lie? Because a way to do that is to address the problems, not wash them away.
IMHO fire the entire WoD dev team (sorry guys but no-one will play that game now) and spend thier wages hiring an entire FLOTIA of people who PLAY EVE to work for you on the forums as a gateway between your customers and CCP. Don't just have the CSM who you don't really listen to anyway.

And you people who say s**t stirrers should GTFO, how can you stoop so low to accept and not challange goods you pay $1000+ for? (Yes, i have two accounts since 2005, do the math)


I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.

drendell
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:21:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Zagdul
Himlar is right.

He needs to stop listening to the whiny **** on these forums.




+1 he needs to relise that most people dont post on forums so the percentage of whiners is quite small.
sure alot of people said it aind good but none of them whent WHAAA WHAAAA LOOK AT ME IM LEAVING!

Vanilla Reaver
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:24:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:27:00 - [9]
 

bit thin the ccp statement.

a lot of technical incarna questions unanswered.

i.e. request for separate GFX performance settings for space and station

- one optimized for blobwarfare
- one optimized for gfx beauty

right now we have to decide.

--the "ship spinning" carrot - is not addressing this at all.


---
i could go on, but ccp has short attantion span if they read this at all.

Michelear
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:28:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.


Okay, enjoy being a blind, naive jackass. The QQ and superstition about MTs is bull**** altogether. MTs make for a great pricing model. Not only do they allow players to choose how much they spend on a game, but they're a great way for a company to make money and keep developing content.

Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.

Vanilla Reaver
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:43:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Vanilla Reaver on 04/07/2011 08:47:37
Originally by: Michelear
Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.


I agree MT is good, but you are still nub because you say "a company to make money and keep developing content."
First: CCP will keep making money even if they only bug fix, last i checked i was being charged monthly ... as compared to other MT games that are doing well such as HoN (one off $30) and TF2 (recently F2P)
Secondly: Make content people want? Why force feed Incarna? If you did a proper stats poll i would bet youíd find more than 50% of people didn't want it. Ship skins: fine love it, will probably buy some, but boots? no this is a space game about shooting and my boots don't make me look any cooler while doing that.

Control your anger scrub (yeah Iím a HoN player and hence troll a lot)

PS: did i ever mention that i was worried about P2W in eve? No, i don't think they will make eve P2W, all Iím angry about is that they didn't apologise for insulting us (the paying customer). You obviously have no social skills, never insult people youíre trying to keep around and have a good relationship with.

Edit was for the PS part.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:46:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Michelear
Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.


Okay, enjoy being a blind, naive jackass. The QQ and superstition about MTs is bull**** altogether. MTs make for a great pricing model. Not only do they allow players to choose how much they spend on a game, but they're a great way for a company to make money and keep developing content.

Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.



lol @ choose how much they spend, what are you working in marketing for some scu/\/\b4g faith healer?

How about we choose to spend nothing & you go fvck yourself?

Just Another Toon
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:46:00 - [13]
 

@op ignore the trolls,this is typical eve community, who believe everything they are told. One minute they complain next minute ccp are the best thing ever. Its pathetic really...nothing in those statements addressed anything worth, yet again ccp bring out some half assed statement and people go oh ok thats fine then..wtf..lemmings...

+1 btw but all those haters are just cowards and now become ccps lovers - its quite sad to see really

lets just forget about everything thats happened for the years...this wasnt just abuot MT or Incarna..

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:47:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: drendell
Originally by: Zagdul
Himlar is right.

He needs to stop listening to the whiny **** on these forums.




+1 he needs to relise that most people dont post on forums so the percentage of whiners is quite small.
sure alot of people said it aind good but none of them whent WHAAA WHAAAA LOOK AT ME IM LEAVING!


Oh, so all the people who don't post are automatically happy and agree with everything.

Let's test that theory: You are wrong!
All the people who won't post here to disagree explicitly agree with that.

I'm pretty sure the overwhelming majority of the EVE playerbase won't disagree with my statement, so you'll be wrong.
So the percentage of the whiners is not "quite small".

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:50:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: zoolkhan
bit thin the ccp statement.

a lot of technical incarna questions unanswered.

i.e. request for separate GFX performance settings for space and station

- one optimized for blobwarfare
- one optimized for gfx beauty

right now we have to decide.

--the "ship spinning" carrot - is not addressing this at all.


---
i could go on, but ccp has short attantion span if they read this at all.



yep i agree but if you can believe what you read here, it seems to have had the desired effect, people are saying they are happy.
I think they are just hopeless addicts looking for any excuse to keep giving CCP cash for this game.


Marlona Sky
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.07.04 08:53:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Michelear
Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.


Okay, enjoy being a blind, naive jackass. The QQ and superstition about MTs is bull**** altogether. MTs make for a great pricing model. Not only do they allow players to choose how much they spend on a game, but they're a great way for a company to make money and keep developing content.

Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.


Hilmar? Is that really you??

Herring
Caldari
Pimpology
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:07:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Herring on 04/07/2011 09:12:09
Originally by: Michelear
Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.


Okay, enjoy being a blind, naive jackass. The QQ and superstition about MTs is bull**** altogether. MTs make for a great pricing model.


Angry much? First off, eve has been a subscription game for ALL content since what, 2003? So eight years. Now suddenly change of plan, they plan to charge additional bull**** fees on top of your subscription if you want all the content the game has to offer. So no, mt's + subscriptions on a long term subscription game =/= a good pricing model. You might want to think opposing points of view before you go flaming someone as a blind, naive jackass. Because that's how you yourself are coming off.

Originally by: Michelear
Not only do they allow players to choose how much they spend on a game, but they're a great way for a company to make money and keep developing content.


What you meant to say was, not only do they allow players to choose how much more in addition to their existing subscription fees that they'd like to spend on a pathetically underdeveloped bugfest of a game, but they're a great way to sponge off extra revenue from the suckers still playing.

Originally by: Michelear
Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.


You've seen how many F2P MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open yours. What an idiot.





Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:46:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Herring
Edited by: Herring on 04/07/2011 09:12:09
Originally by: Michelear
Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.


Okay, enjoy being a blind, naive jackass. The QQ and superstition about MTs is bull**** altogether. MTs make for a great pricing model.


Angry much? First off, eve has been a subscription game for ALL content since what, 2003? So eight years. Now suddenly change of plan, they plan to charge additional bull**** fees on top of your subscription if you want all the content the game has to offer. So no, mt's + subscriptions on a long term subscription game =/= a good pricing model. You might want to think opposing points of view before you go flaming someone as a blind, naive jackass. Because that's how you yourself are coming off.

Originally by: Michelear
Not only do they allow players to choose how much they spend on a game, but they're a great way for a company to make money and keep developing content.


What you meant to say was, not only do they allow players to choose how much more in addition to their existing subscription fees that they'd like to spend on a pathetically underdeveloped bugfest of a game, but they're a great way to sponge off extra revenue from the suckers still playing.

Originally by: Michelear
Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.


You've seen how many F2P MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open yours. What an idiot.







M88888888.

Team fortress 2 is now free. It's paid for by hat wearing "idiots".
Now, I wish they would return the $20 I paid for the game, but they won't, never mind.

But if CCP would stop being 100% quadraspastic over the pricing in the noble exchange maybe they will get to a place where they can actually stop charging subscriptions.

I know it's a wild idea. I know CCP have so far only proven themselves to be money grabbing liars, but Valve have shown us that it is possible.

So maybe, just maybe there is something good that can come from this. This is me, clutching at straws really. CCP never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. But I can see it is at least possible.

Majestic Twilight
Amarr
The Night Crew
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:47:00 - [19]
 

I'm kinda torn if I'm gonna roll a Tremere or Gangel vampire 1st. Sorry OP but they are making WOD and a lot of people will be playing it whether you like WOD/CCP or not.

Adrian Idaho
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:57:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Adrian Idaho on 04/07/2011 09:57:33
Originally by: Zagdul
Himlar is right.

Was... was that a Na_zi reference? Did you really just put CCP Hilmar on par with the leader of the SS in the Third Reich? Are you ****ing serious?!

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.04 09:57:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Michelear
Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.


Okay, enjoy being a blind, naive jackass. The QQ and superstition about MTs is bull**** altogether. MTs make for a great pricing model. Not only do they allow players to choose how much they spend on a game, but they're a great way for a company to make money and keep developing content.

Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.


Sounds like you're mad that you can't pay to win and have to do things the legit way.

Vanilla Reaver
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:30:00 - [22]
 

As fun as it is to troll 'special' people who think incarna is good, thats besides the point and can be done in any other thread.

This thread was about WHY THEY SHOVED the email under the rug, STAY ON TOPIC TROLLS!

So: Why?

Gareth Angel
Gallente
Eve Space Exploration Guild
Posted - 2011.07.04 11:58:00 - [23]
 

I'll stay OT. Because you asked.

Is it really worth it to stay angry, and spend your day complaining on the forum?

Who is forcing you to play Eve?

Rolling Eyes

No one will play WoD? I got a few friends here, who spent so much time with WoD (through various RPGs and TCGs) with me that we're all going to check it out for sure. Who knows, it might be cool!

No use nagging about something we haven't even seen yet.

Really, this is getting a very annoying tune, tbh.

Cashcow Golden Goose
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:00:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
As fun as it is to troll 'special' people who think incarna is good, thats besides the point and can be done in any other thread.

This thread was about WHY THEY SHOVED the email under the rug, STAY ON TOPIC TROLLS!

So: Why?


You mean the email they explain away here?

Quote:
The Leaked Hilmar Global Email: We were appalled by the leaked Hilmar email and the atrocious and out-of-touch messaging it contained. We sympathize and agree with those players offended and disgusted by it.


Can you help us out a bit? What were you were hoping they would do about it?

Alissa Solette
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:00:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Alissa Solette on 04/07/2011 12:02:44
It's CCPs usual way of dealing with their customers concerns:

1) Replace honest EVE players with marketing and PR bastards that wear 1000$ pants
2) Employ imbeciles that were fired from CITIBANK for sucking even worse then their peers (which is sort of an achievement in itself)
3) Implement massively unpopular changes to the game without consulting the CSM or players
4) Stick fingers in ears and humm loudly for 2 weeks while your customer base quits their accounts and spamms your forums
5) get some overpaid imbecile to send condescending emails and make sure they are leaked to the angry customers ASAP
6) see step 4
7) Get the overpaid PR bastard from step 1 to write a pointless dev blog that contains as few commitments as possible
8) Pretend everything is OK again

Also ensure that nowhere a long the chain you ever apologize to the morons paying your wages. That would be like admitting you made a mistake (and that's simply impossible because of CITIBANK).

Prince Kobol
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:01:00 - [26]
 

In regards to the leaked email, somebody remind me what CCP have to apologise for?

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:02:00 - [27]
 

It was right on the mark on the topic it covered (pricing scheme), and contained an appropriate amount of motivational lingo.

It was an internal email, meant for CCP employees involved in the NeX store implementation and at large, it was not meant for you with your non-existent knowledge of what went before and in general.

You were a fly on the wall who heard/saw something you disliked .. unless you can honestly say you have never and will never talk about someone behind their backs then you are owed nothing.

Tammarr
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:05:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Majestic Twilight
I'm kinda torn if I'm gonna roll a Tremere or Gangel vampire 1st. Sorry OP but they are making WOD and a lot of people will be playing it whether you like WOD/CCP or not.


tremere all the way, clan gangrel is nothing but furries that burn to crisp quite nicely.

dicen3
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:14:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Michelear
Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.


Okay, enjoy being a blind, naive jackass. The QQ and superstition about MTs is bull**** altogether. MTs make for a great pricing model. Not only do they allow players to choose how much they spend on a game, but they're a great way for a company to make money and keep developing content.

Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.

Ya, we don't pay CCP enough. Let's pay them more. Let's make sure they have more money to development more games and not touch EVE for 2+ years. CCP should be able to develop 10 games on the money we pay them for EVE! It is only fair! Lets all bend over for CCP! YA!

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.07.04 12:32:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Michelear
Originally by: Vanilla Reaver
Originally by: Michelear

I for one am stoaked to play WoD. STFU and speak for yourself, jackass.


Ok, enjoy your P2W game.


Okay, enjoy being a blind, naive jackass. The QQ and superstition about MTs is bull**** altogether. MTs make for a great pricing model. Not only do they allow players to choose how much they spend on a game, but they're a great way for a company to make money and keep developing content.

Have you seen how many MT games are prospering right now? Get a clue before you open your mouth.


Ya - so they can keep developing content for OTHER GAMES

Ya I have seen other games with MT that works - and that's ALL THEY DO! They dont also do monthly subs.

And ya, I have seen MT proposed for other games as well, and it brings about a balancing nightmare. As if EVE doesnt have enough balance issues already - Let's just add in some more. Brilliant plan.


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