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ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.04 05:58:00 - [1]
 

When looking to give corp mates the ability do manufacture in your corp, you have to give them a role called " Factory Manager"

Without this role, they cannot install jobs for the corp using corp materials inside hangers.

However, this role also will give them the ability to cancel any job installed by someone else in the corp. If that happens, the entire bill of material is lost forever. Someone could easily abuse this role, however there is no work around for allowing corps to let members produce items AND keep a good security system in place.

Please reference the eve wiki on station service pos roles.
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Roles_and_access_rights#Station_Service_Role_Type

Eperor
Posted - 2011.07.04 07:36:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Eperor on 04/07/2011 07:36:11
yes it is dengerus and not secure for corp you cant check every member and trust every member in corp, and eve not gives eny mechenics how to check members if hee is trustull or no or hee is red spy or tief or wath ever.

I tink that factory manger need to have simply ting that you cant cancel job that instaled by that manager or anoder member off corp if only that job its finisched, canceling jobs can do only CEO or dierctor. that role no nedto request a full wallet acces to the to make manufucturing jobs. he cant take out iot transfer money form corp wallet but can use money to make manufucturing job only try that windows hee can acces the weallet to creat a job but not transfer or do enyting els.

Eve need to have more mehanics to protect corporation property how its now in game.

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.04 17:24:00 - [3]
 

bump, I really believe CCP needs to fix this...

Kazuo Ishiguro
House of Marbles

Posted - 2011.07.04 19:17:00 - [4]
 

The only workaround at present is to do all your high-value manufacturing jobs on alts in a separate corp. This is far from ideal, especially for W-space dwellers, who have to do a lot of manufacturing at starbases (i.e. via corp jobs).

This can only be done as part of a much wider revision of the corp roles system, but the sooner the better.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.04 21:07:00 - [5]
 

Agreed. A number of the roles have dual purposes, the whole thing lacks granularity. Factory manager is one of the troublesome ones. I know it's a big job for CCP to do a security overhaul, that does not remove the need for improvements.

Soon with establishments, possibly captain's quarters open to visitors, corp WiS offices, Dust Contracts and who knows what else from Dust ... more and more is going to be put on the old system. A system already overburdened with more than intended. It's going to get worse before it gets better.

Decent corp security granularity may very well help with younger player retention as well. Corps may be more welcoming to new players if some of the roles were not so 'dangerous' and more gruanular control were available.

Ya Huei
Imperial Collective
Posted - 2011.07.05 07:19:00 - [6]
 

It's all been said here:

http://www.eveonline.com/iNgameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1498810

Bagehi
Association of Commonwealth Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.05 17:37:00 - [7]
 

It would be nice to have that a two-tier role:
1. Start jobs only
2. Start and cancel jobs

Support.

Jack Viresi
Point of No Return
Waterboard
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:48:00 - [8]
 

Makes sense, however, would a corp member with just roles to start their own jobs, and not to cancel others jobs, be able to cancel corp jobs that they themselves started?

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.08 14:49:00 - [9]
 

up to the top!

d4shing
Posted - 2011.07.10 04:11:00 - [10]
 

one of twenty things that is screwed up about industry

Laice
Caldari
Archron Dusyfe Industries
Posted - 2011.07.10 04:24:00 - [11]
 

I Disagree. Eve should involve you taking a risk on trusting somone.

Jareck Hunter
Rubicon Legion
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:06:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Jareck Hunter on 11/07/2011 00:09:17
Originally by: Laice
I Disagree. Eve should involve you taking a risk on trusting somone.


It's not like you already risk the materials and wallet you have to give access to.

Supported.

Maybe a log would also be nice to have, to show if somebody delivered or cancelled a job.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.07.11 00:06:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Laice
I Disagree. Eve should involve you taking a risk on trusting somone.


To some extent I agree with you - we have all heard about disgruntled pilots opening cyos in the middle of hostile fleets, or fat fingered Titan pilots jumping instead of bridging.

You need to look at the rest of the game though - no one can cancel anyone else's jobs in NPC manufacturing/research facilities but you can see that the facilities are busy. The same level of control would be nice for POS facilities: job installer as a separate role to factory manager, so you can install jobs, cancel your own jobs, see that lines are busy, but not see what other jobs are doing, and certainly not have the ability to cancel them.

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:11:00 - [14]
 

bump!

Icke Himal
Posted - 2011.07.12 11:42:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Icke Himal on 12/07/2011 11:44:40
Dunno if the same problem occours on research stuff but i would like to see produktion and research (ME/PE) contracts possible either. Due to the lag of some non-player facility space that could be an interesting way to make additional money and/or fill empty time in POS modules.

also prevents CEO´s from giving rights to some new/unknown corp-member

Lorna Sicling
Caldari
Helix Pulse
Posted - 2011.07.13 13:26:00 - [16]
 

I completely support this.

As CEO of an Industrial Corp I can set access rights for my members so they could use specific POS installations and hangers in specific offices, however whatever I do I have to allow them the ability to be able to cancel any job in the S&I tab.

Madness.

I support the concept of Factory Manager being exactly that, a Manager. The rent research or rent factory roles allow Corp members to install their own Corp jobs, which they can see or cancel, however only managers can see all jobs and deliver and/or cancel all jobs.

At the moment I consider the system broken and unworkable. We're not the DRF building dozens of supercaps, but the level of trust required vs the risk exposure means I am very reluctant to allow members the factory manager role due to the potential risk of ISK loss.

CSM - please move this up the to-do list. I would hope it's not a major re-write, rather a "patch".

Seamus Donohue
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.13 18:38:00 - [17]
 

Supported

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.14 15:09:00 - [18]
 

not letting this die!

Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
Posted - 2011.07.14 22:24:00 - [19]
 


If they can only cancel jobs they start themself, it wouldn't be much of a issue. If you got someone in your corp building big things on behalf on the corp, they probably got roles to do more damage than just cancel a job they do regardless.

ShadowandLight
Amarr
Cryptonym Sleepers
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.21 14:58:00 - [20]
 

sup!!

Fournone
Posted - 2011.07.26 18:21:00 - [21]
 

Basically, the new player you just allowed to manufacture stuff in one of your pos, can now end the build timer on the almost completed titan. This is not right.

Arushia
Nova Labs
New Eden Research.
Posted - 2011.07.26 19:26:00 - [22]
 

Install, deliver, and cancel should be 3 separate permissions.

Breaker77
Gallente
Reclamation Industries
Posted - 2011.07.26 19:31:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Breaker77 on 26/07/2011 19:32:17
Originally by: Fournone
Basically, the new player you just allowed to manufacture stuff in one of your pos, can now end the build timer on the almost completed titan. This is not right.


If you allow a new player into your corp that is building titans and give him factory manager role, you DESERVE to have every running job cancelled!

edit: Also supporting the OP, or even better Arushia's idea.


Fighter26
Orion's Fist
Posted - 2011.07.26 22:25:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Fighter26 on 26/07/2011 22:25:53
This should be one of the many permissions issues fixed in upcoming patches, along with POS permissions and one that allows only corpies with it to access fleet fit ship corp hangars

Photon Ceray
Posted - 2011.07.30 17:50:00 - [25]
 

ccp needs to fix industry, seriously. they're the same mechanics for many many years.


 

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