open All Channels
seplocked EVE General Discussion
blankseplocked Is $179.40 per year really worth it?
 
This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 
Pages: 1 [2] 3

Author Topic

Sernum
Total Mayhem.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:39:00 - [31]
 

People who don't play online games often ask me "omg how could you spend 15 dollars a month of a video game... i mean i spent 60 dollars on cal of duty and i can play it for the rest of my life"

I then sigh and say "I'm willing to bet you spend over 100 a month on premium cable to watch a movie once or twice a week - that you prob spend another 5-10 bucks on"

is 15 a month worth it for me - yes i get a lot of entertainment for my 15 bucks.

pvt awesome
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:42:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: pvt awesome on 03/07/2011 13:42:40
Originally by: Sernum
I then sigh and say "I'm willing to bet you spend over 100 a month on premium cable to watch a movie once or twice a week - that you prob spend another 5-10 bucks on"


And then they say "But computer games are for nerds LOL"

Myfanwy Heimdal
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:43:00 - [33]
 

Under 200? That's less than a night out on the razz in Oslo.

Depends on how you see things. Even though I no longer live in the Land of a Thousand Homes (Norway) I pay about 15 a month for this game here in the UK. Now, I don't know about you but if I went out for a good evening drinking the local Welsh sheep dip I would pay a lot more than that.

So, if playing Eve for just one night a month rather than going out is cheaper and one stays in to play Eve then, yes, it is value for money.

Then again, perception of value is down to the individual as all my racing chums know.

Kurfin
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:44:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Enlai Huan
Can you find the same ammount of fun for cheaper? Chances are, you would spend that much in a month doing most any thing else.


This.

Eve, and video gaming, in general is a cheap way of entertaining yourself. If you weren't playing eve, what would you be doing instead? And how much would that cost?

Medidranda Livoga
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:47:00 - [35]
 

Entirely depends on what you enjoy.

Stuff like watered beer and movie tickets are indeed way overpriced for their actualy content value. Good thing is that both of these can be had for cheaper price instead of going through "content provider" middlehand.

But lets compare EVE to other games. For price of EVE you can for buy quite a few single/multiplayer games that don`t have recurring costs. For 131 euros you could pick up digital distribution games ranging anywhere from 50 euros for brand new ones to discounted games for 5. I`d say EVE can be better than buying 3 full priced games but is awful if buyer is smart and buys from sales. Good example is ongoing Steam sales.

How about other hobbies? Hard to quantify as many of these have auxiliary benefits of making real-life contacts (most in EVE end up being virtual with few exceptions) and healthy outdoors/indoors physical workout. Personally I feel better about spending say 300 for my downhill skiing equipment and tickets than buying years worth of sub for EVE.

Fish Fingers
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:47:00 - [36]
 

Nope. Not worth it. But if you play the game long enough, it should finance itself.

Jyngo
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:48:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: pvt awesome
Edited by: pvt awesome on 03/07/2011 13:25:44
the value judgment over whether X-amount of money is worth Y is up to the individual. Obviously it largely depends on the individual's disposable income and their level of addiction.

Riedle
Minmatar
Paradox Collective
Posted - 2011.07.03 13:53:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: dicen3
Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
Compare it to what else you can get for those entertainment dollars today and doesn't look expensive at all.

1-2 pint(s) of Ale at a pub.
2 movie tickets per month.
Etc.

The twwo week emo-raging on the forums alone trumps just about all movies released this year in entertainment value Smile

PS: What's with the *3 by the way, you hate Eve/CCP so much that you have three accounts?


The movie ticket comparison started being pushed by the video game industry years ago (to justify price increases). (You hear this in the press, morning talk shows, radio shows, all very transparent to the non sheep of the world.) You added beer. So I am left with wondering, are you an actual CCP customer? Because, why would one make such a post? You sound more like marketing.

If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3.

The surest way to get company marketing to start posting in threads is to put a "$" in the subject line.

thanks for playing



OMG you are an idiot.
Please find it not worth it and cancel asap. Eve would be better for it.

Bob the'Cyno
Posted - 2011.07.03 14:00:00 - [39]
 

Please be nice, folks, someone who has a character name of "dicen3" is probably still very young. We should support young players who join EvE and not make fun of them.

I try to teach my kids the value of money. Not always easy but we have to start somewhere.

I Love Boobies
Amarr
All Hail Boobies
Posted - 2011.07.03 14:11:00 - [40]
 

You could spend $179.40 on a prostitute, only get a few minutes of fun. Pay $179.40 on Eve, and you get a whole year worth of fun, or whatever, depending on your game play style. Personally, I think that's worth it. Wink

Mr Duffo
Posted - 2011.07.03 14:14:00 - [41]
 

What is the problem?

I can earn that $179.40 in less than 3 days in my bad job so I gladly pay it.

Sernum
Total Mayhem.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.07.03 14:54:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: pvt awesome
Edited by: pvt awesome on 03/07/2011 13:42:40
Originally by: Sernum
I then sigh and say "I'm willing to bet you spend over 100 a month on premium cable to watch a movie once or twice a week - that you prob spend another 5-10 bucks on"


And then they say "But computer games are for nerds LOL"


yes unfortunately. Embarassed

Algathas
Minmatar
The Revenge of Auntie Freeze
Posted - 2011.07.03 14:59:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Algathas on 03/07/2011 14:59:55
Well, look at other forms of entertainment and how much they cost, then you will see that EVE isn't such a bad price after all.

For example what does it cost to go to the movies these days? Then throw on top that 3D BS and then add some candy or popcorn. You already have a couple months of EVE right there before you even start paying for your date's movie lol.

Hell, where I live you could go out and get a single drink at a restaurant that costs as much as a month of EVE and doesn't even get you buzzed.

Theocrates
Posted - 2011.07.03 15:08:00 - [44]
 

Yet another Dicen3 waste thread.

Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
Posted - 2011.07.03 15:24:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: dicen3
The movie ticket comparison..

So because a lobby that stands to gain from an argument makes said argument, it is automatically void?
I added beer because I consider myself an aficionado and have had beer on (and from) all continents.
Originally by: dicen3
If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3.

Good for you, personally playing Civ4 + Mods to this day and dig up old RPGs when the urge hits.
But there are not enough games with the replay value to make that argumentation remotely true .. even the best RPGs become kind of 'meh' to me after 200hrs (Civ4 is probably close to 5k hrs though Very Happy)
Originally by: dicen3
..thanks for playing

Huh? Surely if I am "marketing" that line should be mine! Bastard!

Markarian Aurelius
Caldari
Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
Posted - 2011.07.03 16:58:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: dicen3


1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department.

2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that.

a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year.
b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in debt.

thanks for playing




Wow, I wish I had all of the omnipotent internal knowledge of CCP's innerworkings and finances to be able to make statements like point 'a.' and 'b.' like you did right there.

Teach me, oh great wise one, the ways of your learnings, for I lack the inside knowledge that you have!

Seriously people, a good deal of this rage is based off of assumptions and conjecture, especially when it comes to what CCP does and does not do with it's money. Besides, if you don't like what CCP does with that cash, BIOMASS, UNSUB and LEAVE FFS! Nobody is forcing you to stay! If leaving is what would make you happy, then that's what I want. If staying makes you happy, then that's cool with me too. Besides, you wouldn't continue to eat at a restaurant if you felt their food was crappy, right? Why do the same with Eve if you really felt this way? It makes no God damned sense.

dicen3
Posted - 2011.07.03 17:07:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
Originally by: dicen3


1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department.

2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that.

a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year.
b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in debt.

thanks for playing




Wow, I wish I had all of the omnipotent internal knowledge of CCP's innerworkings and finances to be able to make statements like point 'a.' and 'b.' like you did right there.

Teach me, oh great wise one, the ways of your learnings, for I lack the inside knowledge that you have!

Seriously people, a good deal of this rage is based off of assumptions and conjecture, especially when it comes to what CCP does and does not do with it's money. Besides, if you don't like what CCP does with that cash, BIOMASS, UNSUB and LEAVE FFS! Nobody is forcing you to stay! If leaving is what would make you happy, then that's what I want. If staying makes you happy, then that's cool with me too. Besides, you wouldn't continue to eat at a restaurant if you felt their food was crappy, right? Why do the same with Eve if you really felt this way? It makes no God damned sense.

Actually it does if you paid a year in advance to get the max subscription discount.

Silk Vixen
Posted - 2011.07.03 19:06:00 - [48]
 

Stop whining and quit.

Silk Vixen
Posted - 2011.07.03 19:08:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Bob the'Cyno
We should support young players who join EvE and not make fun of them.




Why? o.o

raker
Posted - 2011.07.03 19:12:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: raker on 03/07/2011 19:13:13

I play this game because I enjoy being in my corp and talking to the guys on Ts

Probably like most corps, we get drunk have some fun and take the **** out of eachother

The sub for this game is well worth it and is cheap if I consider the enjoyment I get out of it


J Kunjeh
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.03 19:27:00 - [51]
 

Totally worth it...I'd pay $30 a month for the joy I get out of Eve.

Synthi
Posted - 2011.07.03 20:01:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: dicen3
I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for.

If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3.

And I still play Unreal Tournament, which I bought in the 90s, and can be had for under $10. So really, how can anyone be expected to pay more than $0.10 / month for EVE? That about right?

But I'm more curious how CCP hid their fees from you. You subscribed without knowing the rates? You're unhappy with the value of the game compared to what it costs, but pay anyway? You're unhappy with the game, but can't leave it unless some strangers agree with you first? The game is clearly not worth it, but you feel a moral obligation to inform those too dim on how to value their own time and money what they should think about it?

Since you're clearly not a forum troll, there's a reason for this time and emotional investment on your part that I'm just not comprehending.

Sarmatiko
Posted - 2011.07.03 20:20:00 - [53]
 

I have spent 54$ in month on cigarettes before I dropped this ****. Where I live 1 pack of Marlboro cost like 1,8$, that is 54$ in month and 648$ in a year.
Was it worth spent money and health?

OP don't count the price of subscription-based MMO. If this too much for you - just leave to f2p game and spend even more money there.

Athena Tarsis
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.03 20:26:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Hirana Yoshida
I consider myself an aficionado and have had beer on (and from) all continents.


They make beer in Antarctica?

Nak hak
Posted - 2011.07.03 20:26:00 - [55]
 

"Is $179.40 per year really worth it?" No.

You see you really need a dozen alt accounts, no 2 dozen alt accounts, to be a assome player in EVE Online. Game is just that awesome!

Really if you only paying for one account you might as well quit it. You're just not cutting it.

Laughing

Emiko Luan
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.03 20:27:00 - [56]
 

why do whiners always say "we" when they mean "I" ?

dicen3
Posted - 2011.07.03 20:28:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Synthi
Originally by: dicen3
I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for.

If I can play other games for an unlimited number of years after I pay $50 for them (max), then I should make a comparison to EVE that includes a number of years. I picked 3.

And I still play Unreal Tournament, which I bought in the 90s, and can be had for under $10. So really, how can anyone be expected to pay more than $0.10 / month for EVE? That about right?

But I'm more curious how CCP hid their fees from you. You subscribed without knowing the rates? You're unhappy with the value of the game compared to what it costs, but pay anyway? You're unhappy with the game, but can't leave it unless some strangers agree with you first? The game is clearly not worth it, but you feel a moral obligation to inform those too dim on how to value their own time and money what they should think about it?

Since you're clearly not a forum troll, there's a reason for this time and emotional investment on your part that I'm just not comprehending.


Some people pay yearly in advance for the discount.

Athena Tarsis
Minmatar
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.03 20:33:00 - [58]
 

This thread:

dicen3: eve not worth it for me, therefore, not worth it for you. ccp are broke and jerks and I don't believe anything they say. You should feel the same.

PlayerX: (rational points explaining why playerX finds value in eve)

dicen3: you are a ccp employee. You are spouting marketing crap.

PlayerY: (rational points explaining why playerY finds value in eve)

dicen3: you are a ccp employee. You are spouting marketing crap.

PlayerZ: (rational points explaining why playerZ finds value in eve)

dicen3: you are a ccp employee. You are spouting marketing crap.


Heh.

Montevius Williams
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.03 21:18:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: dicen3
Edited by: dicen3 on 03/07/2011 12:58:15
Edited by: dicen3 on 03/07/2011 12:50:18
Originally by: Khamelean
Originally by: dicen3
Yes, I know it is $131.40/year if we pay 12 months in advance. But, we can no longer trust CCP. So we can't do that anymore.

$179.40/year * 3 = $528.20 over 3 years.

And CCP wants more of our money? What are they smoking in Iceland?

I still play games I bought over 3 years ago, that I payed only $50 for.




When you say "we" I assume you mean "I". Not sure why you can't trust them anymore. All of their official statements have been consistent and honest.

You do realise the Eve requires this thing called a "server", quite a big one in fact (or a lot of them, depending on how you visualise it). Servers are not free or cheap to run. In exchange for your $528.2 over three years, CCP maintained and allowed you access to their servers. It's a fair exchange, if at any point you don't feel your getting your moneys worth, stop paying.


1. "All of their official statements have been consistent and honest." I just don't believe for one minute that you are this stupid. I think you just copied the email text sent to you from the inept CCP marketing department.

2. Nice move. I didn't see this angle. The point is that we are paying you this money. But, the old server excuse. Let's answer that.

a. Your infrastructure costs are not nearly $46,482,140 per year.
b. You are not spending this revenue on EVE anyway. It is all going to Dust and WOD. In fact the majority of it is, as you are up to your eye balls in debt.

thanks for playing




True, but he brings up a valid point. People tend to assume (or so it seems) that all sub cost go to the game (or games) and thats it. Here are some of the things CCP has to pay for:

-Overhead cost:
-Monthly Rent
-Ulilities (A/C, Heat, Water etc.)
-Building Insurance
-Taxes
-Employee Cost
-Employee Salaries including any Overtime worked (at least in the US - dont know about Iceland)
-Employee Insurance
-Employee Benefits (Medical, Dental, Vision), Stock Options, raises etc
-Employee Tax (EIN for the US office)
-Vendor Costs
-Equipment cost and maintenance (Printers, Fax Machines, etc)
-Server Costs and maintenance (In any Internet based business, this will be a significant cost to business)
-Administrative Cost
-Legal Costs
-Misc Costs (CSM Meetings, EVE Fanfest, Allaince Tournament etc)
-Telecommunications costs


Im sure there are more, but these are just some of the things that I can think of. Once these are paid, THEN and ONLY then can CCP pump money into their Internet Spaceship game or Vampire game. This is how it works in the real business world, or at least in the business world that I am apart of.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2011.07.03 21:23:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 03/07/2011 21:34:04

131 EUR/year ? Or at most 210 USD/year ?
Naaah.

I find 4-5 bil ISK/year to be far, far more "affordable"...
Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

P.S. I spend around the equivalent of 800-900 EUR a year on cigarettes.
That's basically 6+ times more than I would spend on an EVE account, if I'd actually spend any cash on EVE accounts myself as opposed to "letting random people pay for me instead" in exchange for virtual ingame money (of which I have more than plenty) that I would be hard-pressed to manage to spend elsewhere.


Pages: 1 [2] 3

This thread is older than 90 days and has been locked due to inactivity.


 


The new forums are live

Please adjust your bookmarks to https://forums.eveonline.com

These forums are archived and read-only