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Neem Karoli
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:44:00 - [1]
 

Honestly I thought most of you were pretty enraged about things that dont matter, I could care less about vanity items, dev blogs that supposidly were insulting (yes I read them and dont care). I enjoy EVE but honestly the content is lacking, missions are boring, all PvE content consists of watching the same graphic hurl towards its target (a crosshair unless you zoom all the way in)with really no variety at all.

I enjoyed missions, wormholes, mining but honestly they get stale pretty fast the one real strength at least to me is the dynamic market and pvp but there are some major issues that need to be fixed. Why was the meeting based on things that dont matter? I mean honestly incarna was not that bad I dont care what anyone says, ya it was old hat in 10 minutes and seems like a lot of work for no content but my main point is why was the meeting not about future features, and evolution of EVE ? Why didnt CSM address 0.0 issues, lag, super cap balancing, more T3 ships, whole new novel areas of content, adding things that increase player interaction with content... I dont understand why that wasnt priority?

Ship spinning honestly? Dev blogs insulting? Vanity items? That was worth an emergency meeting and all of your rage?

I really think the main point of the meeting should have been how to improve eve... incarna seemingly added nothing new, the meeting changed nothing... the same state of affairs is here. And with CCP producing World of Darkness and Dust 514 it seems any REAL NOVEL new content is not incoming at least not soon.

No im not quitting, no I enjoy EVE but all the hooplah over these things I find totally insignificant?

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:46:00 - [2]
 


Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:47:00 - [3]
 

0/10

Neem Karoli
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:49:00 - [4]
 

I don't see how how either of your posts are constructive or worth even hitting post reply ?

Albetta
Gallente
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:51:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Neem Karoli
I don't see how how either of your posts are constructive or worth even hitting post reply ?



Calling you a troll IS constructive critiscism. It is constructive advice to tell somebody to stop trolling.

Neem Karoli
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:01:00 - [6]
 

Im not a troll... I rarely ever post on this forum, and I took the time to post because this is how I feel. Regardless id love to have some input from CSM/CCP.. anybody besides these trolls posting on my thread.

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:01:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Neem Karoli
I don't see how how either of your posts are constructive or worth even hitting post reply ?


I took time out of my personal schedule to educate you on a nuance of the English language, and you call that non-constructive?

Why do I even bother.

Neem Karoli
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:03:00 - [8]
 

I dont know because I ignored your post all together I dont care about grammar on an internet message board about a game... your response isnt what im looking for. So I would say dont bother.

MistressDoom
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:07:00 - [9]
 

0/10

Neem Karoli
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:07:00 - [10]
 

I could care less, I could care less, I could care less u like that ... ? umad?

As far as your fanboi 0/10 that was old 5 years ago nt.

Neem Karoli
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:55:00 - [11]
 

Honestly I thought most of you were pretty enraged about things that dont matter, I could care less about vanity items, dev blogs that supposidly were insulting (yes I read them and dont care). I enjoy EVE but honestly the content is lacking, missions are boring, all PvE content consists of watching the same graphic hurl towards its target (a crosshair unless you zoom all the way in)with really no variety at all.

I enjoyed missions, wormholes, mining but honestly they get stale pretty fast the one real strength at least to me is the dynamic market and pvp but there are some major issues that need to be fixed. Why was the meeting based on things that dont matter? I mean honestly incarna was not that bad I dont care what anyone says, ya it was old hat in 10 minutes and seems like a lot of work for no content but my main point is why was the meeting not about future features, and evolution of EVE ? Why didnt CSM address 0.0 issues, lag, super cap balancing, more T3 ships, whole new novel areas of content, adding things that increase player interaction with content... I dont understand why that wasnt priority?
Thread got derailed by trolls


Ship spinning honestly? Dev blogs insulting? Vanity items? That was worth an emergency meeting and all of your rage?

I really think the main point of the meeting should have been how to improve eve... incarna seemingly added nothing new, the meeting changed nothing... the same state of affairs is here. And with CCP producing World of Darkness and Dust 514 it seems any REAL NOVEL new content is not incoming at least not soon.

No im not quitting, no I enjoy EVE but all the hooplah over these things I find totally insignificant?

Anna Maziarczyk
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:19:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 03/07/2011 04:22:06
Edited by: Anna Maziarczyk on 03/07/2011 04:19:48
Maybe because Leaked documents, CQ Dress up Dolls, and Cash Shops are the only things they've been working on for the last 12 months....

When they have more, they will definitely talk about it.

Nedes Betternaem
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:51:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


Awesome.... its one of my pet peeves when people use the term "I could care less".

I think I am going to borrow that image.

Ein Phantom
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:12:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Neem Karoli
I don't see how how either of your posts are constructive or worth even hitting post reply ?


*WOOSH*

Oh, looks like you posted a reply.

*DOUBLE WOOSH*

Oh my god, it's so BEAUTIFUL.

George Wilkes Hill
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:25:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: George Wilkes Hill on 03/07/2011 05:26:25
Originally by: Neem Karoli
Honestly I thought most of you were pretty enraged about things that dont matter, I could care less about vanity items, dev blogs that supposidly were insulting (yes I read them and dont care). I enjoy EVE but honestly the content is lacking, missions are boring, all PvE content consists of watching the same graphic hurl towards its target (a crosshair unless you zoom all the way in)with really no variety at all.

I enjoyed missions, wormholes, mining but honestly they get stale pretty fast the one real strength at least to me is the dynamic market and pvp but there are some major issues that need to be fixed. Why was the meeting based on things that dont matter? I mean honestly incarna was not that bad I dont care what anyone says, ya it was old hat in 10 minutes and seems like a lot of work for no content but my main point is why was the meeting not about future features, and evolution of EVE ? Why didnt CSM address 0.0 issues, lag, super cap balancing, more T3 ships, whole new novel areas of content, adding things that increase player interaction with content... I dont understand why that wasnt priority?

Ship spinning honestly? Dev blogs insulting? Vanity items? That was worth an emergency meeting and all of your rage?

I really think the main point of the meeting should have been how to improve eve... incarna seemingly added nothing new, the meeting changed nothing... the same state of affairs is here. And with CCP producing World of Darkness and Dust 514 it seems any REAL NOVEL new content is not incoming at least not soon.

No im not quitting, no I enjoy EVE but all the hooplah over these things I find totally insignificant?

I agree with most of your comments especially, about how ship spinning was "vehemently demanded". All I could think is seriously? Ship spinning? an emotional attachment? It makes no sense to me either still no new internet spaceships content, still no MMO features in Incarna...

Khamelean
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:28:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Neem Karoli
Honestly I thought most of you were pretty enraged about things that dont matter, I could care less about vanity items, dev blogs that supposidly were insulting (yes I read them and dont care). I enjoy EVE but honestly the content is lacking, missions are boring, all PvE content consists of watching the same graphic hurl towards its target (a crosshair unless you zoom all the way in)with really no variety at all.

I enjoyed missions, wormholes, mining but honestly they get stale pretty fast the one real strength at least to me is the dynamic market and pvp but there are some major issues that need to be fixed. Why was the meeting based on things that dont matter? I mean honestly incarna was not that bad I dont care what anyone says, ya it was old hat in 10 minutes and seems like a lot of work for no content but my main point is why was the meeting not about future features, and evolution of EVE ? Why didnt CSM address 0.0 issues, lag, super cap balancing, more T3 ships, whole new novel areas of content, adding things that increase player interaction with content... I dont understand why that wasnt priority?

Ship spinning honestly? Dev blogs insulting? Vanity items? That was worth an emergency meeting and all of your rage?

I really think the main point of the meeting should have been how to improve eve... incarna seemingly added nothing new, the meeting changed nothing... the same state of affairs is here. And with CCP producing World of Darkness and Dust 514 it seems any REAL NOVEL new content is not incoming at least not soon.

No im not quitting, no I enjoy EVE but all the hooplah over these things I find totally insignificant?


While you bring up a lot of good points that do indeed need to be addressed sooner rather than later, they are all part of the normal development cycle of eve. You may not have been upset be the events of the last 2 weeks, I for one wasn't either, but a lot of people were, clearly CCP needed to do something out of the ordinary to get things back to normal. Hence the emergency meeting.

If you really want someone to blame over the wasted resources because of this recent **** storm, blame the person who leaked internal documents for the purpose of making a fuss and blame the players who believed them without any reason at all.

CCP did exactly what was asked of them and responded to the community.

The issues you mention "0.0 issues, lag, super cap balancing, more T3 ships", have all been brought up by CCP fairly recently with at least some plans as to how their handling them moving forward. But again, as part of their normal development cycle.

Xercodo
Amarr
Xovoni Directorate
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:28:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Neem Karoli
I dont know because I ignored your post all together I dont care about grammar on an internet message board about a game... your response isnt what im looking for. So I would say dont bother.


oh man, not only did you expect internet ppl to know in advanced which replies would be relevant but you also expected internet to oblige by your standard

i think this one needs help

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:33:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Neem Karoli
Honestly I thought most of you were pretty enraged about things that dont matter, I could care less about vanity items, dev blogs that supposidly were insulting (yes I read them and dont care). I enjoy EVE but honestly the content is lacking, missions are boring, all PvE content consists of watching the same graphic hurl towards its target (a crosshair unless you zoom all the way in)with really no variety at all.

I enjoyed missions, wormholes, mining but honestly they get stale pretty fast the one real strength at least to me is the dynamic market and pvp but there are some major issues that need to be fixed. Why was the meeting based on things that dont matter? I mean honestly incarna was not that bad I dont care what anyone says, ya it was old hat in 10 minutes and seems like a lot of work for no content but my main point is why was the meeting not about future features, and evolution of EVE ? Why didnt CSM address 0.0 issues, lag, super cap balancing, more T3 ships, whole new novel areas of content, adding things that increase player interaction with content... I dont understand why that wasnt priority?

Ship spinning honestly? Dev blogs insulting? Vanity items? That was worth an emergency meeting and all of your rage?

I really think the main point of the meeting should have been how to improve eve... incarna seemingly added nothing new, the meeting changed nothing... the same state of affairs is here. And with CCP producing World of Darkness and Dust 514 it seems any REAL NOVEL new content is not incoming at least not soon.

No im not quitting, no I enjoy EVE but all the hooplah over these things I find totally insignificant?


I find your lack of faith... disturbing.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:50:00 - [19]
 

I 100% agree. The meeting didnt really talk about the one major issue: How to deal with all of the ****ing idiots.

They've cleared up every other problem to any sane (or insane!) person's satisfaction. Its only the idiots who refuse/cant read that are still whining.

Mortania
Minmatar
No Compromise
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:57:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Mortania on 03/07/2011 06:57:22
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
I 100% agree. The meeting didnt really talk about the one major issue: How to deal with all of the ****ing idiots.

They've cleared up every other problem to any sane (or insane!) person's satisfaction. Its only the idiots who refuse/cant read that are still whining.


You don't have a problem with the idea that arguably less than 10% of the money collected from EVE is going back into EVE spaceships? And that they've had about 20 devs out of 600 people employed by CCP working on EVE spaceships? Can you imagine if even 100 devs had been working on EVE over the last two years the differences we would/could have seen?

Yes the summit addressed the immediate fire, but there's the an underlying issue that was throwing all the fuel in a pile for it to burn, the summit may or may not have addressed that with the promise to work on communication.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:22:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Mortania
You don't have a problem with the idea that arguably less than 10% of the money collected from EVE is going back into EVE spaceships? And that they've had about 20 devs out of 600 people employed by CCP working on EVE spaceships? Can you imagine if even 100 devs had been working on EVE over the last two years the differences we would/could have seen?

Yes the summit addressed the immediate fire, but there's the an underlying issue that was throwing all the fuel in a pile for it to burn, the summit may or may not have addressed that with the promise to work on communication.

This. There wouldn't have been such an outrage if EVE had been developed properly in the past two years.

The CCP-CSM-Meeting has only superficially smoothed the mood, up until another leak or issue lights the fuel again. Every time this happens, EVE loses another couple thousand accounts until all that's left are flocks of monocle wearing imbeciles.

Syphon Lodian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:23:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Black Dranzer
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


It's called an expression... Shocking, I know, but even you can learn these things in time.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:29:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 03/07/2011 07:29:58
Originally by: Mortania
You don't have a problem with the idea that arguably less than 10% of the money collected from EVE is going back into EVE spaceships? And that they've had about 20 devs out of 600 people employed by CCP working on EVE spaceships? Can you imagine if even 100 devs had been working on EVE over the last two years the differences we would/could have seen?

Yes the summit addressed the immediate fire, but there's the an underlying issue that was throwing all the fuel in a pile for it to burn, the summit may or may not have addressed that with the promise to work on communication.


I have no problem with that at all.

When you buy nike shoes, do you think that shoe cost 90$ to make? It cost about 1.50$.

The rest of the money goes into many other things, sponsoring events, charities you may disagree with, political donations/lobbiests, etc etc etc.

No major company on the planet uses all (or even most) of its money to continue funding the product you paid for.

If you dont feel that you are getting your moneys worth, then dont pay them. Its as simple as that.

The 'underlying issue' is some player's false sense of entitlement. You believe that by paying CCP, you have a right to tell them what to do with that money. You think you have the right to tell them what direction to take the game.

When you buy Starcraft2, you are funding World of Warcraft development as well.

When you pay for Ultima Online, you're funding Mass Effect 2's development, etc

This is the way the world works. If you dont like it, dont pay them, or move to a deserted island where you can make your own rules.

Originally by: Syphon Lodian
It's called an expression... Shocking, I know, but even you can learn these things in time.

Its not much of an expression if you're not even expressing yourself correctly.

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:30:00 - [24]
 

To be fair this is a far better response than the one SOE gave during the NGE crisis of 2005. There is no way they were going to please everyone but I am glad they have conducted themselves much better than SOE did.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:35:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Mortania
Edited by: Mortania on 03/07/2011 06:57:22
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
I 100% agree. The meeting didnt really talk about the one major issue: How to deal with all of the ****ing idiots.

They've cleared up every other problem to any sane (or insane!) person's satisfaction. Its only the idiots who refuse/cant read that are still whining.


You don't have a problem with the idea that arguably less than 10% of the money collected from EVE is going back into EVE spaceships? And that they've had about 20 devs out of 600 people employed by CCP working on EVE spaceships? Can you imagine if even 100 devs had been working on EVE over the last two years the differences we would/could have seen?

Yes the summit addressed the immediate fire, but there's the an underlying issue that was throwing all the fuel in a pile for it to burn, the summit may or may not have addressed that with the promise to work on communication.


Look, seriously, the game is almost a decade old, you do not think a commercial enterprise like CCP is going to just ride it until the wheels fall off do you? They are planning ahead. No, I do not like the idea of them using EVE as a faucet to develop other games or pursue other ventures, but they're a company, their goal is to stay a company, not run themselves into the ground until the last server blade spins down.

You should just be thankful they are not winding down like Bioware did with the Baldur's Gate series, the Throne Of Bhaal expansion basically destroyed any chance that series had of becoming a franchise, because they felt like the NWN project held more long term promise.

CCP could just as easily being throwing out all the stops and giving us everything we ever dreamed of all at once by laying waste to the slow but steady progression of the game for the past eight years. We could have it all! All at once! But then after the dust settled, we would realize... this is it, forever. And that would be the end of it.

The fact that CCP continues to maintain a steady (albeit sometimes dissatisfying) content progression over time means that they are not willing to lay waste to one game in lieu of another, but decided to instead slow it down a bit, so they could work on more than one at a time.

Trust me, the alternative is much worse. Do not ask a company to choose between a legacy product, and the next generation. Product lines are retired for a reason, they grow old. EVE is old, we all want it to last forever, but the truth is that we are only going to get another five or so years out of it at best, esp. before some actual competition finally comes around and splits hairs on the subscription base here between what has already been said and done a million times in EVE, and what could be new frontiers in another game like it but fresh and unconquered, so enjoy it while it lasts, the game will not be around forever and it certainly will not grow forever, at some point it has to wind down, just like anything else.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:39:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: Mortania
Edited by: Mortania on 03/07/2011 06:57:22
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
I 100% agree. The meeting didnt really talk about the one major issue: How to deal with all of the ****ing idiots.

They've cleared up every other problem to any sane (or insane!) person's satisfaction. Its only the idiots who refuse/cant read that are still whining.


You don't have a problem with the idea that arguably less than 10% of the money collected from EVE is going back into EVE spaceships? And that they've had about 20 devs out of 600 people employed by CCP working on EVE spaceships? Can you imagine if even 100 devs had been working on EVE over the last two years the differences we would/could have seen?

Yes the summit addressed the immediate fire, but there's the an underlying issue that was throwing all the fuel in a pile for it to burn, the summit may or may not have addressed that with the promise to work on communication.


Look, seriously, the game is almost a decade old, you do not think a commercial enterprise like CCP is going to just ride it until the wheels fall off do you? They are planning ahead. No, I do not like the idea of them using EVE as a faucet to develop other games or pursue other ventures, but they're a company, their goal is to stay a company, not run themselves into the ground until the last server blade spins down.

You should just be thankful they are not winding down like Bioware did with the Baldur's Gate series, the Throne Of Bhaal expansion basically destroyed any chance that series had of becoming a franchise, because they felt like the NWN project held more long term promise.

CCP could just as easily being throwing out all the stops and giving us everything we ever dreamed of all at once by laying waste to the slow but steady progression of the game for the past eight years. We could have it all! All at once! But then after the dust settled, we would realize... this is it, forever. And that would be the end of it.

The fact that CCP continues to maintain a steady (albeit sometimes dissatisfying) content progression over time means that they are not willing to lay waste to one game in lieu of another, but decided to instead slow it down a bit, so they could work on more than one at a time.

Trust me, the alternative is much worse. Do not ask a company to choose between a legacy product, and the next generation. Product lines are retired for a reason, they grow old. EVE is old, we all want it to last forever, but the truth is that we are only going to get another five or so years out of it at best, esp. before some actual competition finally comes around and splits hairs on the subscription base here between what has already been said and done a million times in EVE, and what could be new frontiers in another game like it but fresh and unconquered, so enjoy it while it lasts, the game will not be around forever and it certainly will not grow forever, at some point it has to wind down, just like anything else.


Icelandic banker mentality is what we are dealing with. CCP is on a collision course with destruction long run.

Maduin Ardens
Eve Innovations
Eternal Evocations
Posted - 2011.07.03 07:49:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Icelandic banker mentality is what we are dealing with. CCP is on a collision course with destruction long run.


I too can make random, generalized, and unsubstantiated claims about... well just about anything I want, that cannot be proven one way or the other, does that make it true? I certainly could not be proven false, given there is nothing to prove to begin with.

Come back when you have something to say that is even worth discussion.

JMERCENARY
Posted - 2011.07.03 09:05:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: JMERCENARY on 03/07/2011 09:08:13
Edited by: JMERCENARY on 03/07/2011 09:06:18
Originally by: Neem Karoli
I enjoyed missions, wormholes, mining but honestly they get stale pretty fast the one real strength at least to me is the dynamic market and pvp but there are some major issues that need to be fixed. Why was the meeting based on things that dont matter? I mean honestly incarna was not that bad I dont care what anyone says, ya it was old hat in 10 minutes and seems like a lot of work for no content but my main point is why was the meeting not about future features, and evolution of EVE ? Why didnt CSM address 0.0 issues, lag, super cap balancing, more T3 ships, whole new novel areas of content, adding things that increase player interaction with content... I dont understand why that wasnt priority?

Ship spinning honestly? Dev blogs insulting? Vanity items? That was worth an emergency meeting and all of your rage?

I really think the main point of the meeting should have been how to improve eve...


RIGHT ON!
I'll tell you why.
IMO this whole thing was a show just liek the monocle issue. They try to make people look elsewhere while they are out of money, can't continue developing EVE anymore and already have two other projects that started falling behind and none of them is certain it will deliver the money CCP wants.
That doesn;t seem like a company that can gain anything for telling the truh to the players. Hence the "monocle" and the urgent CSM BS, that really has changed absolutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Originally by: Maduin Ardens
Originally by: RougeOperator
Icelandic banker mentality is what we are dealing with. CCP is on a collision course with destruction long run.


I too can make random, generalized, and unsubstantiated claims about... well just about anything I want, that cannot be proven one way or the other, does that make it true? I certainly could not be proven false, given there is nothing to prove to begin with.

Come back when you have something to say that is even worth discussion.


You are playing a game that hasn;t evolved a bit after 3 whole years.
I call that PROOF!

Vicker Lahn'se
Minmatar
STRAG3S
Posted - 2011.07.03 10:27:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Syphon Lodian
Originally by: Black Dranzer
Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.


It's called an expression... Shocking, I know, but even you can learn these things in time.


It's called getting an expression wrong in such a way that it reverses the intended meaning. If I said, "An apple a day causes all of the doctors in the area to flock to your house," you wouldn't call that an expression.

Brys Bennedict
Posted - 2011.07.03 10:46:00 - [30]
 

To the OP...

Remember the game you're playing. If you're looking for sympathy here, it's in the dictionary between **** and syphalis (sp). Don't expect a decent discussion in a cave full of trolls. Just roll with it. ;)


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