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San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:15:00 - [1]
 

So, I'm sorry but the statement means next to nothing to me.

'No Plans' is code for whenever we decide the time is right, we are supposed to forget everything we've seen in the last few months.

Ideas as wide as pay for standings, pay for extra fitting slots, legal Boosters introduced, paying for remaps, paying to boost training times. And on & on, these ideas have been introduced to the Zeitgeist & now it's just a matter of continued propaganda & manipulation of what is acceptable through degrees of decline in the integrity of EvE.

One year ago we were told CCP had no PLANS to ever introduce Microtransactions into EvE, EvE was not going to be a MT game we were told. Then the propaganda started, The CSM was worked on & players were sold the most ridiculous reasons why those plans needed revision.The very survival & evolution of the game was called into question, it was simply essential etc etc. Oh and non-vanity items only so it doesn't really matter right?

Now we have the same thing happening again with p2w, the idea is out there, it has been floated, the waters have been tested & CCP has gauged player response. So the approach seems to be, we are not ready for p2w yet. Hence we have no plans, just as they had no plans for MT at all a year ago. But the times will change & CCP's approach will change rapidly & plans will change. Certainly. We are told they must change for the company to survive. The CEO has said we will change EvE to suit trends in the market, we won't do it over night, we will do it gradually but we will do it no matter what the players think. Stay the course!

We are not getting the old hangar back, we are getting something similar Soon™, bet that will be great right? *cough*
The new Gallente CQ looks great? Awesome, how long before we see it? How long before we can run multiple clients again & enjoy some immersion beyond the DOOR? Soon™.


Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:20:00 - [2]
 

Originally by: San Severina
So, I'm sorry but the statement means next to nothing to me.

'No Plans' is code for whenever we decide the time is right, we are supposed to forget everything we've seen in the last few months.

Ideas as wide as pay for standings, pay for extra fitting slots, legal Boosters introduced, paying for remaps, paying to boost training times. And on & on, these ideas have been introduced to the Zeitgeist & now it's just a matter of continued propaganda & manipulation of what is acceptable through degrees of decline in the integrity of EvE.

One year ago we were told CCP had no PLANS to ever introduce Microtransactions into EvE, EvE was not going to be a MT game we were told. Then the propaganda started, The CSM was worked on & players were sold the most ridiculous reasons why those plans needed revision.The very survival & evolution of the game was called into question, it was simply essential etc etc. Oh and non-vanity items only so it doesn't really matter right?

Now we have the same thing happening again with p2w, the idea is out there, it has been floated, the waters have been tested & CCP has gauged player response. So the approach seems to be, we are not ready for p2w yet. Hence we have no plans, just as they had no plans for MT at all a year ago. But the times will change & CCP's approach will change rapidly & plans will change. Certainly. We are told they must change for the company to survive. The CEO has said we will change EvE to suit trends in the market, we won't do it over night, we will do it gradually but we will do it no matter what the players think. Stay the course!


read this blog from trebor, i think it answers a lot of your concerns. Honestly.

if that doesn't convince you, just quit and contract me (or someone) all your stuff. You will be happier for it.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:28:00 - [3]
 

Trebor means well (I'm guessing,) but no, his blog doesn't cut it. He's trying to make something that's very simple more complicated than it needs to be.

"What exactly is P2W? It turns out to be a much harder than it appears at first glance. CSM had an extensive discussion of this with CCP, both in summit meetings and informally. Nobody could come up with a definition that covered all the possible cases and that would not allow P2W to sneak in the back door.

As US Supreme Court Justice Potte Stewart famously observed about ****ography, he couldn't define it, but "I know it when I see it."

The truth is, we already have P2W in EVE. It's called PLEX. Right now, if you have enough money, you can buy PLEX, convert to ISK, and buy yourself as many supercaps as you want, and the pilots toons to fly them.

So the solution isn't as simple as saying "No P2W". It's the much more complicated problem of drawing boundaries on a map where reasonable people can disagree on the nature of the terrain at any given point."



He's right. It isn't as simple as saying "No P2W". It's as simple as saying "No P2W except for PLEX." It's as simple as saying "No Aurum". It's as simple as saying "We will not break functionality in EVE and sell that functionality back to our customers, who already pay more on average than any other subscription-based MMO on the market." CCP hasn't said any of that (or much of anything else,) though. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out why.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:33:00 - [4]
 

And if your response is: "Well, I'm okay with vanity only MT." I'd say this:

I'd be okay with vanity-only MT under 2 conditions:

1. If I thought CCP could be trusted.

2. If CCP was doing a good job of fixing bugs and improving content in the game I play (Internet Spaceships.)

Since neither of my conditions are met, and since I'm supposedly entitled to 2 free expansions a year, and since virtually all of the development resources in the latest expansion went to Incarna, shouldn't Incarna be free? Shouldn't I at least be able to play dress-up with my Spaceship GI Joe for free since they've neglected everything else?

Warvan
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:37:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: San Severina
So, I'm sorry but the statement means next to nothing to me.

'No Plans' is code for whenever we decide the time is right, we are supposed to forget everything we've seen in the last few months.




How about you forget your paranoia?

Originally by: San Severina
Ideas as wide as pay for standings, pay for extra fitting slots, legal Boosters introduced, paying for remaps, paying to boost training times. And on & on, these ideas have been introduced to the Zeitgeist & now it's just a matter of continued propaganda & manipulation of what is acceptable through degrees of decline in the integrity of EvE.





I do believe that falls firmly under the "Non-Vanity" category or purchase...


Originally by: San Severina
One year ago we were told CCP had no PLANS to ever introduce Microtransactions into EvE, EvE was not going to be a MT game we were told. Then the propaganda started, The CSM was worked on & players were sold the most ridiculous reasons why those plans needed revision.The very survival & evolution of the game was called into question, it was simply essential etc etc. Oh and non-vanity items only so it doesn't really matter right?



Can you predict the Future?

Originally by: San Severina

Now we have the same thing happening again with p2w, the idea is out there, it has been floated, the waters have been tested & CCP has gauged player response. So the approach seems to be, we are not ready for p2w yet. Hence we have no plans, just as they had no plans for MT at all a year ago. But the times will change & CCP's approach will change rapidly & plans will change. Certainly. We are told they must change for the company to survive. The CEO has said we will change EvE to suit trends in the market, we won't do it over night, we will do it gradually but we will do it no matter what the players think. Stay the course!



if we remain outspoken then P2W will never happen.

Originally by: San Severina

We are not getting the old hangar back, we are getting something similar Soon™, bet that will be great right? *cough*
The new Gallente CQ looks great? Awesome, how long before we see it? How long before we can run multiple clients again & enjoy some immersion beyond the DOOR? Soon™.




Lol.. I can run multiple clients still with Incarna rolling on a 4+ year old system with a 3+ year old Fatality G-card... What's your problem?

The Station spin has been changed... Get over it... When they get something back be happy with it. I for one like the CQ and the Idea of walking around within the station.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE CHANGE THEN CRY TO YOUR MOMMY!

So I'm sorry your post means less than nothing to me. Sounds more like the whining of a 16 year old girl that didn't get a pony on her birthday. Try to think sometime before it becomes illegal... you might find your horizons broadened.

A bit of truth has been deployed here today. Try to learn from it.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:44:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
And if your response is: "Well, I'm okay with vanity only MT." I'd say this:

I'd be okay with vanity-only MT under 2 conditions:

1. If I thought CCP could be trusted.

2. If CCP was doing a good job of fixing bugs and improving content in the game I play (Internet Spaceships.)

Since neither of my conditions are met, and since I'm supposedly entitled to 2 free expansions a year, and since virtually all of the development resources in the latest expansion went to Incarna, shouldn't Incarna be free? Shouldn't I at least be able to play dress-up with my Spaceship GI Joe for free since they've neglected everything else?


Thanks for your excellent response AkJon, I'm at work so had to rush off a pretty off the cuff post but I felt it needed to be said. I wish I was as articulate & well informed as you though.

To the troll asking if I can predict the future, I would say yes, most people can predict with a certain amount of confidence what will happen based on precedent. Look at CCP's previous behavior & tell me you are confident they will do the right thing.

Or just read AkJon Ferguson's excellent reply, S/he makes some undeniable points.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:48:00 - [7]
 

Quote:


Lol.. I can run multiple clients still with Incarna rolling on a 4+ year old system with a 3+ year old Fatality G-card... What's your problem?

The Station spin has been changed... Get over it... When they get something back be happy with it. I for one like the CQ and the Idea of walking around within the station.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE CHANGE THEN CRY TO YOUR MOMMY!

So I'm sorry your post means less than nothing to me. Sounds more like the whining of a 16 year old girl that didn't get a pony on her birthday. Try to think sometime before it becomes illegal... you might find your horizons broadened.

A bit of truth has been deployed here today. Try to learn from it.


I'm sorry but you're the one who sounds immature here, this post is just emo hatred directed at anyone who dislikes what CCP are doing.

You are dealing with adults here, a lot of us have teenage children, you really won't fool any of us with this ridiculous drivel.

I suggest you keep quiet & learn, you are way out of your league.Wink

Black Dranzer
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:51:00 - [8]
 

What did you expect?

That's not a rhetorical question.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:51:00 - [9]
 

if you asked them 5 years ago if they had plans to develop walking-in-stations they'd have said no too.

and if you asked them if they would have NPC's invade highsec and mess with the stats of people's ships, they'd have said they had no plans for that too.

so your post means literally nothing to the reality of things.

Xiozor
THE PAROXYSM
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:59:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: San Severina
Quote:


Lol.. I can run multiple clients still with Incarna rolling on a 4+ year old system with a 3+ year old Fatality G-card... What's your problem?

The Station spin has been changed... Get over it... When they get something back be happy with it. I for one like the CQ and the Idea of walking around within the station.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE CHANGE THEN CRY TO YOUR MOMMY!

So I'm sorry your post means less than nothing to me. Sounds more like the whining of a 16 year old girl that didn't get a pony on her birthday. Try to think sometime before it becomes illegal... you might find your horizons broadened.

A bit of truth has been deployed here today. Try to learn from it.


I'm sorry but you're the one who sounds immature here, this post is just emo hatred directed at anyone who dislikes what CCP are doing.

You are dealing with adults here, a lot of us have teenage children, you really won't fool any of us with this ridiculous drivel.

I suggest you keep quiet & learn, you are way out of your league.Wink


Adults who squark like spoilt children and throw all their toys out the pram when they don't think they are getting their own way?

CCP have drawn very definitive lines in the sand and what you doomsaying pessimists constantly ignore is the very previous sentence in that devblog to the one you parade around as some illuminati conspiracy:

"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only."

You have your answer, if you want to **** and whinge go do it where we don't have to hear it.

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:00:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
Trebor means well (I'm guessing,) but no, his blog doesn't cut it. He's trying to make something that's very simple more complicated than it needs to be.

"What exactly is P2W? It turns out to be a much harder than it appears at first glance. CSM had an extensive discussion of this with CCP, both in summit meetings and informally. Nobody could come up with a definition that covered all the possible cases and that would not allow P2W to sneak in the back door.

As US Supreme Court Justice Potte Stewart famously observed about ****ography, he couldn't define it, but "I know it when I see it."




P*rnography isnt that hard to define. P*rnography is simply any media which attempts to erotically stimulate a human being. There are different levels in how explicit p*rnography is, however, it all fits into that definition.

P2W can be viewed along the same lines: P2W is any digital item which can be purchased within the EVE universe through the NeX store that provides a distinct numerical and/or statistical advantage over other players.

Done.



San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:00:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
if you asked them 5 years ago if they had plans to develop walking-in-stations they'd have said no too.

and if you asked them if they would have NPC's invade highsec and mess with the stats of people's ships, they'd have said they had no plans for that too.

so your post means literally nothing to the reality of things.


You seem to have missed the point entirely & at the same time reinforced mine, so thanks i guessWink

Now off you go to Troll every other thread on EvE-O.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:05:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Xiozor
Originally by: San Severina
Quote:


Lol.. I can run multiple clients still with Incarna rolling on a 4+ year old system with a 3+ year old Fatality G-card... What's your problem?

The Station spin has been changed... Get over it... When they get something back be happy with it. I for one like the CQ and the Idea of walking around within the station.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE CHANGE THEN CRY TO YOUR MOMMY!

So I'm sorry your post means less than nothing to me. Sounds more like the whining of a 16 year old girl that didn't get a pony on her birthday. Try to think sometime before it becomes illegal... you might find your horizons broadened.

A bit of truth has been deployed here today. Try to learn from it.


I'm sorry but you're the one who sounds immature here, this post is just emo hatred directed at anyone who dislikes what CCP are doing.

You are dealing with adults here, a lot of us have teenage children, you really won't fool any of us with this ridiculous drivel.

I suggest you keep quiet & learn, you are way out of your league.Wink


Adults who squark like spoilt children and throw all their toys out the pram when they don't think they are getting their own way?

CCP have drawn very definitive lines in the sand and what you doomsaying pessimists constantly ignore is the very previous sentence in that devblog to the one you parade around as some illuminati conspiracy:

"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only."

You have your answer, if you want to **** and whinge go do it where we don't have to hear it.


it's the word
Quote:
PLAN
that I am not happy with. Something along the lines of,
Quote:
We will never ever ever sell anything beyond pure vanity only items in the NeX, may we rot in HELL like the stinking Dogs we are should we ever even circulate an internal newsletter even suggesting such ideas!
would have been better.

Xiozor
THE PAROXYSM
Dark Solar Empire
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:13:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Xiozor on 03/07/2011 03:13:11
Originally by: San Severina


BAWWW HAWWW




"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only."

So, your point is that you are upset because it is currently and very clearly stated that CCP's plan is to not introduce non-vanity MT and at any moment it might change based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever?

It sounds like you need to see a shrink, you are suffering from seriously unhealthy levels of paranoia. You are picking holes in mundane statements to make them out to be threatening to you when their intentions are actually very clear and concise. CCP aren't looking to do a funny play-on-words to trick you. There's no point.

Basically, we have heard it all, they have given us our answers, make of them what you will but please can we finally just shut up? If you aren't convinced then cancel your sub and leave us in peace.

Michela
Bosun Shipyards
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:30:00 - [15]
 

Good lord, you have your answer. Quit crying already.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:34:00 - [16]
 

That's all well and good, but all this hypothetical stuff is hypothetically to be released sometime in the hypothetical future.

I think I'll focus on the now for..er..now.


Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:38:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Mithrasith


P*rnography isnt that hard to define. P*rnography is simply any media which attempts to erotically stimulate a human being.



nope


 

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