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Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:39:00 - [1]
 

As you know Chelm Soran is one of the few Autistic Sanshas while the overwhelming majority of Autistic individuals in eve are jovian with the remainder being mostly gallente and caldari. Any non-jovian autistics of note are sent to "The society" so that they can learn to harness their unnatural powers.

I think it is stupid that Sansha frowns upon autism as indicated in the above link.
Papa Sansha is your typical ******esk dictator and like ****** he makes the mistake of shunning or killing those who are genetically superior and accepting into his ranks those that are weakminded.

As you know people with blond hair or blue eyes or even both are only in existence because of a genetic mutation. One that resulted in higher risks for numerous pathologies and cancers.

While those with brown/black hair and eyes have the most stable genes. Without diverging into a discussion on how we have been breed with cosmetic genetics as a priority over survivability genetics let me just say that people like sansha, ******, tippia and anybody else that thinks that have a "final solution" often ends up setting humanity back several thousand years by KILLING OFF THE WRONG PEOPLE!


Sansha is no different... If he wanted to steamroll the empires he would accept all peoples of all backgrounds and genetic makeups because only when you do that can you be sure that you are getting an accurate measure of potential.


Within the context of eve lore and even real life medical fact, individuals with autism would be way better at operating the systems a pilot operates. The hyper reflexive and pseudo-clairvoyant nature of an autistics instincts would make them ideal pilots for sansha invasions.

Majuan Shuo
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:41:00 - [2]
 

I like turtles.

Doddy
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:43:00 - [3]
 

Erm the link says Sansha prefers em autistic, ujelly?

WlliamRyker
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:44:00 - [4]
 

blond hair and blue/green eyes actual exist due to sexual selection, because there were less pressures forcing humans to retain sub-optimally attractive features due to survival needs. White people evolved due to white features being sexually selected for attractiveness

Kez Aumer
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:47:00 - [5]
 

Didn't mean to treat you bad /
Didn't know just what I had /
But honey, now I do /
And don't it make my brown eyes blue.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:53:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Xenuria on 03/07/2011 02:00:46
Originally by: Doddy
Erm the link says Sansha prefers em autistic, ujelly?


"Being autistic, Soran was an embarrassment to his Holder parents, but his unique mindset adapts well to Sansha's techniques. A formidable opponent with bold, relentless drive. Threat level: Deadly"


They do not prefer autistics... Which is what confuses me... Why would an alliance like the sansha who tamper with mind control and brain waves not want autistics..

Science tells us that the magnetic fields around autistic brains can go as high as 4 times the intencity of neuro-typicals. Science also tells us that autistics have more neuronal connectivity and electrical activity then nuero-typicals.
Finally Science tells us that autistics maintain brain elasticity/plasticity into adult life meanning they can become good at anything even if they did not start doing it when they were really young (when the brain was still deciding were to allocate skill points)



Case and point: The only reason Sansha would have to deny autistics into his numbers would be that autistic minds might be a great deal harder to brainwash and control due to the factors mentioned above. Yet CCP has not published a chronicle or any lore related material to this effect.



Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:15:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Majuan Shuo
I like turtles.


turtles are literally the worst pet ever, they're utter bastards

seriously, have you ever met a friendly turtle? Even the nice ones are like >this< close from trying to bite your fingers off

death to turtles, imho

Alara IonStorm
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:23:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Alara IonStorm on 07/07/2011 00:44:20
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
turtles are literally the worst pet ever, they're utter bastards

seriously, have you ever met a friendly turtle? Even the nice ones are like >this< close from trying to bite your fingers off

death to turtles, imho

Sure a Dog is nice and all...

Untill Shredder shows up.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:37:00 - [9]
 

I would appreciate it if for once people could respond to my thread without trolling. I am serious about my OP.

Kalle Demos
Amarr
Helix Protocol
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:39:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Majuan Shuo
I like turtles.


turtles are literally the worst pet ever, they're utter bastards

seriously, have you ever met a friendly turtle? Even the nice ones are like >this< close from trying to bite your fingers off

death to turtles, imho


Not only that, they can shut down airports

EvePublicServices
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:47:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: EvePublicServices on 06/07/2011 23:49:04
Originally by: Xenuria
Edited by: Xenuria on 03/07/2011 02:00:46
Originally by: Doddy
Erm the link says Sansha prefers em autistic, ujelly?


"Being autistic, Soran was an embarrassment to his Holder parents, but his unique mindset adapts well to Sansha's techniques. A formidable opponent with bold, relentless drive. Threat level: Deadly"


They do not prefer autistics... Which is what confuses me... Why would an alliance like the sansha who tamper with mind control and brain waves not want autistics..

Science tells us that the magnetic fields around autistic brains can go as high as 4 times the intencity of neuro-typicals. Science also tells us that autistics have more neuronal connectivity and electrical activity then nuero-typicals.
Finally Science tells us that autistics maintain brain elasticity/plasticity into adult life meanning they can become good at anything even if they did not start doing it when they were really young (when the brain was still deciding were to allocate skill points)



Case and point: The only reason Sansha would have to deny autistics into his numbers would be that autistic minds might be a great deal harder to brainwash and control due to the factors mentioned above. Yet CCP has not published a chronicle or any lore related material to this effect.





Wow, you're still derping it up hardcore on the forums.

I'm not sure what 'Holder parents' are but it sounds like his parents shunned him but when he was assimilated into Sansha's Nation his "unique mindset" allowed him to excell within their ranks. However not all autistic people are like the rain man or Chelm as you openly demonstrate ;)

Kumq uat
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:48:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Edited by: Xenuria on 03/07/2011 02:00:46
Originally by: Doddy
Erm the link says Sansha prefers em autistic, ujelly?


"Being autistic, Soran was an embarrassment to his Holder parents, but his unique mindset adapts well to Sansha's techniques. A formidable opponent with bold, relentless drive. Threat level: Deadly"


They do not prefer autistics... Which is what confuses me... Why would an alliance like the sansha who tamper with mind control and brain waves not want autistics..

Science tells us that the magnetic fields around autistic brains can go as high as 4 times the intencity of neuro-typicals. Science also tells us that autistics have more neuronal connectivity and electrical activity then nuero-typicals.
Finally Science tells us that autistics maintain brain elasticity/plasticity into adult life meanning they can become good at anything even if they did not start doing it when they were really young (when the brain was still deciding were to allocate skill points)



Case and point: The only reason Sansha would have to deny autistics into his numbers would be that autistic minds might be a great deal harder to brainwash and control due to the factors mentioned above. Yet CCP has not published a chronicle or any lore related material to this effect.





Not that I really care but it appears to me that the holder parents are Amarrian and Sansha welcomed him. Anyways

Sook Statta Hahndah
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:58:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Kumq uat
Not that I really care but it appears to me that the holder parents are Amarrian and Sansha welcomed him. Anyways


Exactly my conclusion. Nothing referenced indicates that Sansha shun autistics. "Holder" refers to the Amarr class that Holds slaves. The link lists Chelm as Amarr.

In fact, the OP's link suggests autistics are best suited to Sansha techniques.

The monocle clearly interferes with reading and comprehension.

Stitcher
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:00:00 - [14]
 

Xenuria, you're interpreting that character description pretty much 100% ass-backwards.

it says that he was rejected by his parents, but excelled in the ranks of Sansha's Nation because of his condition.

in fact, I really don't get how you could so wildly misinterpret what's being said there. it isn't confusingly worded at all.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:09:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Stitcher
Xenuria, you're interpreting that character description pretty much 100% ass-backwards.

it says that he was rejected by his parents, but excelled in the ranks of Sansha's Nation because of his condition.

in fact, I really don't get how you could so wildly misinterpret what's being said there. it isn't confusingly worded at all.


I am pants on head ******ed but I can plainly see that nowhere does it say that he "excelled" in the ranks of sansha. Nor dose it indicate in any way that sansha favor autistics and this is supported in that he is the ONLY autistic sansha in the game.


I restate my case that there should be more representation for autistic people in sanshas is it is indeed the case that they are NOT shunned.


Lady Natacha
Minmatar
Water and Power
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:17:00 - [16]
 

Before you have children, please check with the Mormon church to make sure that you and your spouse are not related.

Remember... inbreeding is everyone's problem.


Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:23:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Kuronaga on 07/07/2011 00:23:32
Sounds more to me like you want more Autistic npc's to kill.

You some kinda autistic hater?

Huh?

Headerman
Minmatar
Quovis
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:38:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Majuan Shuo
I like turtles.


turtles are literally the worst pet ever, they're utter bastards

seriously, have you ever met a friendly turtle? Even the nice ones are like >this< close from trying to bite your fingers off

death to turtles, imho


Not only that, they can shut down airports


Black and white bean soup with salsa



A little bacon goes a long way to adding richness and depth to the flavours in this hearty bean soup.

Ingredients (serves 6)

Black bean soup
250g dried black (turtle) beans*
1 bunch coriander
2 tbs olive oil
50g pancetta or bacon, diced
1 onion, roughly chopped
1 leek (white part only), chopped
1 carrot, roughly chopped
1 garlic clove, crushed
1/2 tbs ground cumin
1 small red chilli, seeds removed, chopped
1.2L chicken stock
White bean soup
225g dried butter (lima) beans
2 tbs olive oil
1 leek (white part only), chopped
2 celery stalks
2 garlic cloves
1 bay leaf
1 sprig thyme, leaves picked
1.2L vegetable stock
Salsa
2 tomatoes, peeled, seeds removed, chopped
1 small red onion, chopped
1 small red chilli, seeds removed, chopped
2 tbs olive oil
Juice of 1/2 lime


Method

Place the black and butter beans for the two soups in separate bowls, cover with cold water and leave to soak overnight. The next day, drain off all the liquid and rinse the beans.

For the black bean soup, finely chop coriander stalks and set leaves aside for use in the salsa. Heat the oil in a large saucepan over medium heat, add pancetta and cook until starting to crisp. Add onion, leek, carrot and garlic, cook over low heat for about 5 minutes until softened, then add cumin, chilli and coriander stalks. Cook for a further minute, then add black beans and chicken stock.

Bring to the boil, then reduce heat to low, cover and simmer for 1 1/2 hours. Remove 1/2 cup of the beans with a slotted spoon and set aside for the salsa. Cool soup slightly, then blend in batches until smooth. Return to pan and season with salt and pepper.

For the white bean soup, heat oil in a large saucepan, add leek and cook over low heat for 1-2 minutes until softened. Add celery, garlic, bay leaf and thyme and cook 2-3 minutes or until celery starts to soften.

Add stock, bring to boil, then reduce heat to low, cover and simmer 1 1/2 hours or until beans are tender. Cool slightly, discard bay leaf and thyme, then blend in batches until smooth. Return to pan and season with salt and pepper.

To make salsa, place remaining ingredients in a bowl, including the finely chopped coriander leaves and the reserved black beans, season with salt and pepper and toss well.

To serve, reheat both soups separately over low heat. Pour ladlefuls of each soup simultaneously from opposite sides of each bowl so the colours are kept separate. Spoon salsa in the middle, and add a dollop of creme fraiche, if desired.

Notes:

This dish is inspired from a recipe by UK cook, Delia Smith. Begin to soak the beans the night before. * Black beans are from health food and gourmet food stores.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:40:00 - [19]
 

Can we stay on topic please?

Sook Statta Hahndah
Posted - 2011.07.07 00:51:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Originally by: Stitcher
Xenuria, you're interpreting that character description pretty much 100% ass-backwards.

it says that he was rejected by his parents, but excelled in the ranks of Sansha's Nation because of his condition.

in fact, I really don't get how you could so wildly misinterpret what's being said there. it isn't confusingly worded at all.


I am pants on head ******ed but I can plainly see that nowhere does it say that he "excelled" in the ranks of sansha. Nor dose it indicate in any way that sansha favor autistics and this is supported in that he is the ONLY autistic sansha in the game.


I restate my case that there should be more representation for autistic people in sanshas is it is indeed the case that they are NOT shunned.




Why? Do you have Asperger's and are needing validation?

Wait. I take that back. No way someone with Asperger's would have misinterpreted the information in that link.

I have concluded that this thread is silly, and the off-topic posts are actually more worthwhile than this whole foolish premise.

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:13:00 - [21]
 

Facepalm...

I am just pointing out one of the very few inconsistencies in the eve story.

Ehdward
Caldari
Nex Exercitus
Raiden.
Posted - 2011.07.07 01:15:00 - [22]
 

AURtism?

Mintoko
Gallente
Taedium In Perpetuam
Posted - 2011.07.07 02:22:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Majuan Shuo
I like turtles.


I like toast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avU5onrWfYo

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.07.07 02:32:00 - [24]
 

your all doing it wrong!

Sook Statta Hahndah
Posted - 2011.07.07 03:55:00 - [25]
 


Lykouleon
Wildly Inappropriate
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:29:00 - [26]
 

That's racist, bro...

Iggy Stooge
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:47:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: WlliamRyker
blond hair and blue/green eyes actual exist due to sexual selection, because there were less pressures forcing humans to retain sub-optimally attractive features due to survival needs. White people evolved due to white features being sexually selected for attractiveness


Hello Mr Racist. Actually, white skin evolved as a means to absorb vital Vitamin D, as humans moved into areas of the planet with less ultra-violet radiation.

Mimimko
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:50:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Xenuria
Can we stay on topic please?


Absolutely not...apparently.

Though seriously, Sansha's nation is a hive mind. They don't connect via messages but pure thought and emotion. Why would you want someone who can't easily read another person's thoughts or emotions? Autistics can't do it via expression or body language, why would brain implants make it so much easier? That one officer NPC works out because Sansha has become a replacement father figure for the one who rejected him. Parental love trasmitted straight into your brain 24/7...no wonder he makes a great officer.

Remember Kids:
"Sansha is Love! Sansha is Love! Obey! BzzzzzzT!"

Amanda Sterling
Posted - 2011.07.07 04:54:00 - [29]
 

Can I have your monocle?

If not then... can I have your monocle?


 

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