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Biomassed everyoneelse
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:28:00 - [31]
 

Some people are never happy I tell ya.

I am still leaving, but it's another chapter completed, rather than a book with a bad ending.

I might try dust now, though I abhor vampires.

CCP did good, and showed that not only are they human, but mature to boot.

I said a lot of bad things towards them, and I'm still here. A lot of us said things and are still here. The ones that got the boot crossed the line, nuff said.

Sail on, ship of gaming, sail on.

Goodbye

/waves

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:29:00 - [32]
 

Well what you going to do? CCP's communication skills are level II or something. But they are under no obligation to give you anything, or about as much obligation as you have to stay using their product. I feel the tone, and response from the CSM has been clear, furthermore, I'd actually say from looking at the video (body language and what not) that the CSM really went in and took charge of the situation as much as they could. If you feel that the CSM got wined and dinned and went there for the lulz then that's up to you. I don't think blackmailing CCP with your threat to emo rage quit is going to amount to much.

Spookyjay
Caldari
Animosity.
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:29:00 - [33]
 

Would really like a devblog of future nex content. and what the next big patch will do

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:31:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Spookyjay
Would really like a devblog of future nex content. and what the next big patch will do
I think that your going to get you wish. The current dev blog outlines this no?

Solstice Project
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:33:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Theocrates
THe simple fact is the protestors deserve to be banned for stirring up a ****storm for nothing.



Yes !
And abolish democracy too !


Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:39:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
I think the big yellow question was answered. No gold ammo or anything that would give you an advantage. They also restated that NeX is vanity only. Granted, they said "We have no plans for anything other than vanity," isn't quite the same as "We will only have vanity-only," I know that companies have to say that for legal reasons. Companies sometimes change leadership, change hands, and in the corporate world you simply cannot make concrete promises like that. We can only hope that the current path and plan does not change. If it does, you all that are staying can happily have my stuff.

Now can we all calm down and get back to playing with internet spaceship? I've noticed quite a lull in traffic through my gatecamps and I've got bills to pay people!


I quote CCP Zulu from the video with Mittens.

"You should not be able to gain an unfair advantage with money rather than with time."

That's about as explicit a way of saying "vanity only" as you can get. It's just now that the whiners are beginning to recognize their own idiocy and are scrabbling about for some way to save face.


Exactly. Yesterday I said that exactly this very thing would happen, and behold, it has become so.

People will either declare victory in putting CCP in their place, or desperately start theory crafting half baked what-if scenarios to preserve their dignity.

Sad but predictable.





Poppy-**** and this is your I told you so post is it?

Just think CCP could have saved all this by just answering 1 simple question about 11 days ago.

I don't think anybody is trying to justify themselves, I doubt many care or feel they need to justify themselves. CCP caused a mess that got a negative response, not suprisingly.

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2011.07.03 00:55:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Tanya Fox
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
I think the big yellow question was answered. No gold ammo or anything that would give you an advantage. They also restated that NeX is vanity only. Granted, they said "We have no plans for anything other than vanity," isn't quite the same as "We will only have vanity-only," I know that companies have to say that for legal reasons. Companies sometimes change leadership, change hands, and in the corporate world you simply cannot make concrete promises like that. We can only hope that the current path and plan does not change. If it does, you all that are staying can happily have my stuff.

Now can we all calm down and get back to playing with internet spaceship? I've noticed quite a lull in traffic through my gatecamps and I've got bills to pay people!


I quote CCP Zulu from the video with Mittens.

"You should not be able to gain an unfair advantage with money rather than with time."

That's about as explicit a way of saying "vanity only" as you can get. It's just now that the whiners are beginning to recognize their own idiocy and are scrabbling about for some way to save face.


Exactly. Yesterday I said that exactly this very thing would happen, and behold, it has become so.

People will either declare victory in putting CCP in their place, or desperately start theory crafting half baked what-if scenarios to preserve their dignity.

Sad but predictable.





Poppy-**** and this is your I told you so post is it?

Just think CCP could have saved all this by just answering 1 simple question about 11 days ago.

I don't think anybody is trying to justify themselves, I doubt many care or feel they need to justify themselves. CCP caused a mess that got a negative response, not suprisingly.


They did. That's what "no gold ammo" meant. It was just the lunatic forumites who tried to e-lawyer every phrase and find something to cry about.

Renan Ruivo
Hipernova
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:09:00 - [38]
 

Why do people talk down on OP's who say that CCP should give out free stuff? I really don't get it.

It's FREE STUFF ffs. You are saying you DON'T like free stuff?


Crazy people indeed..

Ninevite
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:21:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
I dunno, not impressed with the supposed "emergency summit" between the CSM's and CCP.

What we have learned from the CSM's is something that could have been dropped on public forums. Why all the expense for such vanilla news? Are the CSM's being straight up with us or did CCP offer them some "sweet deals" to keep their mouths shut?

The math simply isn't working out. After all this CCP expects us to just believe them and walk away?

Sorry, but before you get to bill my credit card again I'm going to need at least a seemingly sincere "My apologies," and given how poorly your company handled the situation that maybe not even be enough. I don't speak for everyone, but I will be letting my two accounts die next month unless I'm shown something otherwise.


They owe you nothing. If you are still complaining at this point, please just stop playing

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:25:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict


Sorry, but before you get to bill my credit card again I'm going to need at least a seemingly sincere "My apologies," and given how poorly your company handled the situation that maybe not even be enough.


If I were CCP and read that post, know what I'd give you?

A swift kick in the ass with a frozen Icelandic boot and a hearty GTFO.

Mr Epeen Cool

Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:26:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
Pffft, go ahead and ban me. Accounts are already cancelled. So I lose a months play.... it only reinforces what I believe it going on. SOE used to do that, now look at them. If they're looking to learn from another companies history they are failing BIG TIME!

Don't **** on me and tell me its raining, I'm not that stupid. ;)


If I remember correctly, the guy who ran SWG into the ground was some big business genius, who knew NOTHING about MMOs. Sound familiar?

Harcosi
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:28:00 - [42]
 

You don't apologize to someone who is raging, it gives them the feeling of justification and makes it worse.

San Severina
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.03 01:56:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
I dunno, not impressed with the supposed "emergency summit" between the CSM's and CCP.

What we have learned from the CSM's is something that could have been dropped on public forums. Why all the expense for such vanilla news? Are the CSM's being straight up with us or did CCP offer them some "sweet deals" to keep their mouths shut?

The math simply isn't working out. After all this CCP expects us to just believe them and walk away?

Sorry, but before you get to bill my credit card again I'm going to need at least a seemingly sincere "My apologies," and given how poorly your company handled the situation that maybe not even be enough. I don't speak for everyone, but I will be letting my two accounts die next month unless I'm shown something otherwise.


you can speak for meWink i agree, won't be resubing on the back of this PR garbage - we might get some sort of crap Hangar back, we have no PLANS for non-vanity items, plans change, they had no plans for MT at all a year ago.

Nope, no way. if the game was $5 a month I probably wouldn't resub with the absolute cr 4 p that is CQ. Don't wanna log in don't wanna play, bye bye.

Kidara Malfasian
Posted - 2011.07.03 02:14:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: San Severina
Originally by: Brys Bennedict
I dunno, not impressed with the supposed "emergency summit" between the CSM's and CCP.

What we have learned from the CSM's is something that could have been dropped on public forums. Why all the expense for such vanilla news? Are the CSM's being straight up with us or did CCP offer them some "sweet deals" to keep their mouths shut?

The math simply isn't working out. After all this CCP expects us to just believe them and walk away?

Sorry, but before you get to bill my credit card again I'm going to need at least a seemingly sincere "My apologies," and given how poorly your company handled the situation that maybe not even be enough. I don't speak for everyone, but I will be letting my two accounts die next month unless I'm shown something otherwise.


you can speak for meWink i agree, won't be resubing on the back of this PR garbage - we might get some sort of crap Hangar back, we have no PLANS for non-vanity items, plans change, they had no plans for MT at all a year ago.

Nope, no way. if the game was $5 a month I probably wouldn't resub with the absolute cr 4 p that is CQ. Don't wanna log in don't wanna play, bye bye.


Bye!

bw8
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:50:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Brys Bennedict


Sorry, but before you get to bill my credit card again I'm going to need at least a seemingly sincere "My apologies," and given how poorly your company handled the situation that maybe not even be enough.


If I were CCP and read that post, know what I'd give you?

A swift kick in the ass with a frozen Icelandic boot and a hearty GTFO.

Mr Epeen Cool


that's why you're just trolling forums *without* a CCP/GM/etc tag. you can't handle anything that conflicts with what you think.

Ranka Mei
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:07:00 - [46]
 

Personally, I think we got more than I ever expected; so I do not think CCP owes us anything. Perhaps they'll draw their own conclusion, and realize that getting too disconnected from your userbase is a bad thing -- but improving on that is just something they can do for themselves internally. And, for what it's worth, I think they got the message.

As for the protesters, yup, I fired a cargohold of missiles at the Jita Memorial too -- and fiercly proud to have been a part of it. Seriously, those who now dish the protesters are rapidly forgetting that without this communities' massive outcry against P2W items, we'd probably be looking at game-breaking items ere long.

'Freedom from oppression' (even when that oppression is as small as getting an unwanted business model shoved down your throat) is generally taken for granted. Don't forget, though, that it's our continual pushing back that keeps CCP from drifting too far away from what their players want.

Silk Vixen
Posted - 2011.07.03 19:16:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
I don't speak for everyone, but I will be letting my two accounts die next month unless I'm shown something otherwise.


And CCP really won't miss one money grabber ;)

Uuali
Posted - 2011.07.03 19:30:00 - [48]
 

They owe me a monocle for putting up with 'emÖ but I'll take the goggles when they come out!

Silk Vixen
Posted - 2011.07.04 02:32:00 - [49]
 

Actually I'd like to change my stance here...CCP owes the community something. The permanent removal of whining grunts from the forums :)

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.04 02:46:00 - [50]
 

Could CCP have gotten away with less than they gave?

I don't think so. I think they did a great job of PR. They calculated exactly how little they could get away with giving (a meaningless non-apology with enough wiggle-room to drive a truck through) and then massaged negotiations so that that's how much they gave.

If I were on CSM, I'd have insisted on either permanently optional incarna or no non-vanity items other than PLEX for sale ever. Could CCP really afford to say no?

Even just a permanent commitment to not troll forums with dev alts (or hired trolls) would have been nice.

But it's cheaper to get mittens drunk and keep your original plans intact, I guess. I can't really blame them for choosing that route.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.04 03:59:00 - [51]
 

How about a shiny golden shuttle, of some new design, and the shuttle type is called "goose". Thne one day we can all look back and LOL things.

Dallenn
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.07.05 11:00:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Dallenn on 05/07/2011 11:00:47
Communication wise, I can't see how they could have performed much better. Maybe releasing info about plans earlier, but apparently full disclosure under NDA was the best mechanism this time. After all it was basically caused by leak of internal information, which wasn't closely related to anything CCP was really saying or doing.

They owe us gameplay improvements for our continued subscription, as per
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1544943&page=1#14

Lyrrashae
Minmatar
Crushed Ambitions
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:06:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Juno Valchelza
I believe CCP deserves an apology from the Eve Community...


No, they do not: It's the other way around.

Look up "accountability to the customer-base" and "professional integrity" in the dictionary sometime.

Amberlamps
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:11:00 - [54]
 

They should just give us an in game item "Olive Branch".


Strangely Bereft
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:39:00 - [55]
 

CCP deserves a big apology from all the ****witted protesting sheep.

Cannonfodder1982
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:47:00 - [56]
 

i dont believe CCP deserve an apology... however what was said during the CSM meeting is enough to keep me happy for now,

leaked documents from inside ccp were bound to cause a storm and ccp didnt handle it very well.

they admitted to that so im not wrong. what happens in the future tho is anyones guess

Neqa'el Uphir
Amarr
PORTAL KOMBAT
Posted - 2011.07.05 12:48:00 - [57]
 

@Bad Messenger - your avatar looks like an ass and the words comming out of him sound the same. I salute u, brave internet warrior, willing to spend 70$ cause u are the UBER troll. GTFO.

Heifetz
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:03:00 - [58]
 

I donít want an apology; I want my old EVE back. Though it's obvious neither will happen.

Maybe Iím missing a key piece of logic in this PtW argument, but it seems to me that the only thing I canít get right now by flashing my credit card is SP (which I'm sure they'll never dare do after this PR disaster).

CCP artificially manipulating the PLEX market is the real elephant in the room, and clearly this new sink will only get bigger and bigger. PLEX already represents over half the ISK changing hands in the game, I call that an already broken economy.

I cancelled my two accounts today. Good luck to those who still find enjoyment in it; but this is not the game I signed up for.

Steve Ronuken
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:26:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Uuali
They owe me a monocle for putting up with 'emÖ but I'll take the goggles when they come out!


They do nothing!

Razz


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