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Brys Bennedict
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:36:00 - [1]
 

I dunno, not impressed with the supposed "emergency summit" between the CSM's and CCP.

What we have learned from the CSM's is something that could have been dropped on public forums. Why all the expense for such vanilla news? Are the CSM's being straight up with us or did CCP offer them some "sweet deals" to keep their mouths shut?

The math simply isn't working out. After all this CCP expects us to just believe them and walk away?

Sorry, but before you get to bill my credit card again I'm going to need at least a seemingly sincere "My apologies," and given how poorly your company handled the situation that maybe not even be enough. I don't speak for everyone, but I will be letting my two accounts die next month unless I'm shown something otherwise.

Flynn Fetladral
Royal Order of Security Specialists
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:39:00 - [2]
 

Rolling Eyes

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:39:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
I dunno, not impressed with the supposed "emergency summit" between the CSM's and CCP.

What we have learned from the CSM's is something that could have been dropped on public forums. Why all the expense for such vanilla news? Are the CSM's being straight up with us or did CCP offer them some "sweet deals" to keep their mouths shut?

The math simply isn't working out. After all this CCP expects us to just believe them and walk away?

Sorry, but before you get to bill my credit card again I'm going to need at least a seemingly sincere "My apologies," and given how poorly your company handled the situation that maybe not even be enough. I don't speak for everyone, but I will be letting my two accounts die next month unless I'm shown something otherwise.


That's your choice, you're a big boy.

You left out the part about craving attention on your way out however.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:40:00 - [4]
 

We will look at what they do and not at what they say.

For me, it's just words, they mean nothing. What I want to see from them are results, actions, reality. There is so much to be done with EVE, they can spend the next :18months: fixing/adding it.

Juno Valchelza
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:41:00 - [5]
 

I believe CCP deserves an apology from the Eve Community...

Brys Bennedict
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:41:00 - [6]
 

Hehe, if I wanted attention I'd go back to Afghanistan packing standard fighting order.....LOADS of attention there.=P

But seriously, is anyone else a litle.....I dunno.....surprised at how quickly everything settled between the CSM's and CCP without REALLY getting anything meaty to chew on?


Theocrates
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:42:00 - [7]
 

THe simple fact is the protestors deserve to be banned for stirring up a ****storm for nothing.

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:44:00 - [8]
 

Did they set out to impress you, doubt it.

I suspect they got something after all they did go out there to work. But being paranoid about it won't stop you being paranoid.

CCP probably just expects you to be happier with the outcome of the meeting. The meeting was just as much about saving face as anything.


Brys Bennedict
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:45:00 - [9]
 

Pffft, go ahead and ban me. Accounts are already cancelled. So I lose a months play.... it only reinforces what I believe it going on. SOE used to do that, now look at them. If they're looking to learn from another companies history they are failing BIG TIME!

Don't **** on me and tell me its raining, I'm not that stupid. ;)

Abrazzar
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:45:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
Hehe, if I wanted attention I'd go back to Afghanistan packing standard fighting order.....LOADS of attention there.=P

But seriously, is anyone else a litle.....I dunno.....surprised at how quickly everything settled between the CSM's and CCP without REALLY getting anything meaty to chew on?



It's just CCP lapdogs trolling up the forums now. Everyone cancelling their monthly subscriptions last week are now already gone as it's a new month now. There rest gets drowned in fanboy spam.

Jacob Stiller
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:46:00 - [11]
 

I found these protests entertaining during the first week. Then they started to get old. What exactly is CCP supposed to apologize for? For cultivating the most paranoid playerbase on the planet? Sure, there is always the risk that they will implement P2W sometime in future. But as t -> infinity, we're all dead anyway.

Mr Hellcat
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:46:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Theocrates
THe simple fact is the protestors deserve to be banned for stirring up a ****storm for nothing.


QFT

Zakarazor
Amarr
Inadeptus Mechanicus
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:50:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Jacob Stiller
What exactly is CCP supposed to apologize for? For cultivating the most paranoid playerbase on the planet?



Have you played eve? Its not paranoia if they really are out to get you!Laughing

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:50:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
Hehe, if I wanted attention I'd go back to Afghanistan packing standard fighting order.....LOADS of attention there.=P

But seriously, is anyone else a litle.....I dunno.....surprised at how quickly everything settled between the CSM's and CCP without REALLY getting anything meaty to chew on?




Perhaps if you really wanted attention you'd make a reference to risking your life in the armed forces, which while commendable has no relevance to anything else in this post.

If you think straight answers to the questions asked, including public statements to include us in advance on any issues that may come up in the future that could fall into that "grey" area between vanity and non-vanity items, is "non-meaty" then you simply are complaining to try and look relevant.

Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:52:00 - [15]
 

Quit already, there is lot of players who want to continue playing.

CCP should really ban/mute more players who whine for whining all the time. Nothing is enough for guys like you.

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:53:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Abrazzar
Originally by: Brys Bennedict
Hehe, if I wanted attention I'd go back to Afghanistan packing standard fighting order.....LOADS of attention there.=P

But seriously, is anyone else a litle.....I dunno.....surprised at how quickly everything settled between the CSM's and CCP without REALLY getting anything meaty to chew on?



It's just CCP lapdogs trolling up the forums now. Everyone cancelling their monthly subscriptions last week are now already gone as it's a new month now. There rest gets drowned in fanboy spam.



Fanboy, never. Would never lower myself to such a level. Fanbois are too set in their ways, they don't see the big picture. As for monthly subs they don't run from the 1st of a month until the end of a month. They start for 30 days from the day you start.

Brys Bennedict
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:54:00 - [17]
 

So we now have three camps: a) Those that are happy that CCP graviously met with the CSM's.....even though there's really nothing new?

b) Those that are trying to suck up hoping that they'll get preferencial treatment(?!?)

c) And those (like me) who just want (more detailed) answers and an apology.

I'm not looking for money or skill points. I'm not looking for a new "1337" ship. Just an honest to goodness "We f***ed up! We shouldn't have done this. There is no grey area. Here's the problem, this is the solution we are working towards. Are there any questions?" OR! I'd even take "We're going to be changing this game to P2W in the future. Not right now, but sometime in the near future the game you know and love will be irrevocably changed." I can at least respect the second statement.

Their response to the CSM's that we're being fed comes off as a wishy-washy handshake. If nothing else, it just comes off weak and makes me question why the CSM's are there to begin with.

Kumq uat
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:57:00 - [18]
 

For my happiness I require Helicity Boson freed and a cybernetic monocle!

Brys Bennedict
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:58:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Bad Messenger
Quit already, there is lot of players who want to continue playing.

CCP should really ban/mute more players who whine for whining all the time. Nothing is enough for guys like you.


The day you start muting your playerbase is the day you can start looking for a new game cause the players will leave in droves. Good luck with that. This game has always been filled with *******s, no surprise there. Keep it comin Sunshine! ;)

Markarian Aurelius
Caldari
Bureau of Interstellar Exploration
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:07:00 - [20]
 

I think the big yellow question was answered. No gold ammo or anything that would give you an advantage. They also restated that NeX is vanity only. Granted, they said "We have no plans for anything other than vanity," isn't quite the same as "We will only have vanity-only," I know that companies have to say that for legal reasons. Companies sometimes change leadership, change hands, and in the corporate world you simply cannot make concrete promises like that. We can only hope that the current path and plan does not change. If it does, you all that are staying can happily have my stuff.

Now can we all calm down and get back to playing with internet spaceship? I've noticed quite a lull in traffic through my gatecamps and I've got bills to pay people!

Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:08:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1

Perhaps if you really wanted attention you'd make a reference to risking your life in the armed forces, which while commendable has no relevance to anything else in this post.




What is so commendable about occupying a forgein country?


Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:10:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Tanya Fox on 02/07/2011 20:12:31
Originally by: Brys Bennedict
So we now have three camps: a) Those that are happy that CCP graviously met with the CSM's.....even though there's really nothing new?

b) Those that are trying to suck up hoping that they'll get preferencial treatment(?!?)

c) And those (like me) who just want (more detailed) answers and an apology.

I'm not looking for money or skill points. I'm not looking for a new "1337" ship. Just an honest to goodness "We f***ed up! We shouldn't have done this. There is no grey area. Here's the problem, this is the solution we are working towards. Are there any questions?" OR! I'd even take "We're going to be changing this game to P2W in the future. Not right now, but sometime in the near future the game you know and love will be irrevocably changed." I can at least respect the second statement.

Their response to the CSM's that we're being fed comes off as a wishy-washy handshake. If nothing else, it just comes off weak and makes me question why the CSM's are there to begin with.



a) The meeting was just as much about PR as what was being discussed. PR for ingame (for some it did not work you included) and PR out of game which is just as important due to the attention the crisis got.

b) No idea what you're talking about here, and even if I thought I did I'm not sure how that would work.

c) And an apology will do what exactly, other than the one we've had already in the last blog. Or will they have to keep apologising everytime they release a blog? There are some things they've not answered in absolutes, like the grey areas but that's probably the only answer you will get, they did say they would continue to work with the CSMs, So you'll just have to hope that the CSMs are on the ball.

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:13:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Cpt Pugwash
Originally by: Ranger 1

Perhaps if you really wanted attention you'd make a reference to risking your life in the armed forces, which while commendable has no relevance to anything else in this post.




What is so commendable about occupying a forgein country?




Heya Puggy.

That would all depend on why you are occupying it I suppose.

Risking your life for what you believe is right is usually a commendable act in and of itself. Whether that belief is the correct one and worth the sacrifice is often up for debate.

BlkQueen
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:14:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: BlkQueen on 02/07/2011 20:16:44

CCP owes the community something alright. CCP needs to perma ban all the sh-t stirrers and get the obviously obsessed fan bois under control. Next time there's a "protest", get their accounts rounded up and ban them all. IT'S A DAMN GAME.

Hey OP, want a tissue to mop up your tears?

Pathetic.


Galdor
Gallente
Khatovar Industries Ltd
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:16:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
I dunno, not impressed with the supposed "emergency summit" between the CSM's and CCP.

What we have learned from the CSM's is something that could have been dropped on public forums. Why all the expense for such vanilla news? Are the CSM's being straight up with us or did CCP offer them some "sweet deals" to keep their mouths shut?

The math simply isn't working out. After all this CCP expects us to just believe them and walk away?

Sorry, but before you get to bill my credit card again I'm going to need at least a seemingly sincere "My apologies," and given how poorly your company handled the situation that maybe not even be enough. I don't speak for everyone, but I will be letting my two accounts die next month unless I'm shown something otherwise.


Here's an idea. How about get over your sense of entitlement and re-read the EULA.

Diamaht Nevain
Gallente
Avatar Union
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:16:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
So we now have three camps: a) Those that are happy that CCP graviously met with the CSM's.....even though there's really nothing new?

b) Those that are trying to suck up hoping that they'll get preferencial treatment(?!?)

c) And those (like me) who just want (more detailed) answers and an apology.

I'm not looking for money or skill points. I'm not looking for a new "1337" ship. Just an honest to goodness "We f***ed up! We shouldn't have done this. There is no grey area. Here's the problem, this is the solution we are working towards. Are there any questions?" OR! I'd even take "We're going to be changing this game to P2W in the future. Not right now, but sometime in the near future the game you know and love will be irrevocably changed." I can at least respect the second statement.

Their response to the CSM's that we're being fed comes off as a wishy-washy handshake. If nothing else, it just comes off weak and makes me question why the CSM's are there to begin with.


Apologies for what? Releasing Incarna? Having internal debates about generating revenue?

They said in the statement and in the interview that they did a poor job of getting the message across and they also stated that there are no plans for purchasing skill points or better ships, what else do you want?

If your waiting for them to repeal incarna then don't hold your breath. It's out and they'll be adding to it soon.

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:17:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
I think the big yellow question was answered. No gold ammo or anything that would give you an advantage. They also restated that NeX is vanity only. Granted, they said "We have no plans for anything other than vanity," isn't quite the same as "We will only have vanity-only," I know that companies have to say that for legal reasons. Companies sometimes change leadership, change hands, and in the corporate world you simply cannot make concrete promises like that. We can only hope that the current path and plan does not change. If it does, you all that are staying can happily have my stuff.

Now can we all calm down and get back to playing with internet spaceship? I've noticed quite a lull in traffic through my gatecamps and I've got bills to pay people!


I quote CCP Zulu from the video with Mittens.

"You should not be able to gain an unfair advantage with money rather than with time."

That's about as explicit a way of saying "vanity only" as you can get. It's just now that the whiners are beginning to recognize their own idiocy and are scrabbling about for some way to save face.

Cpt Pugwash
Caldari
Rubra Libertas Militia
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:21:00 - [28]
 

Edited by: Cpt Pugwash on 02/07/2011 20:23:04
Originally by: Ranger 1


Heya Puggy.

That would all depend on why you are occupying it I suppose.

Risking your life for what you believe is right is usually a commendable act in and of itself. Whether that belief is the correct one and worth the sacrifice is often up for debate.


Hiya m8

I'll turn a blind eye this time, just so long as you aint getting all imperialist on me Wink

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:22:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Sujanra Acoma
Originally by: Markarian Aurelius
I think the big yellow question was answered. No gold ammo or anything that would give you an advantage. They also restated that NeX is vanity only. Granted, they said "We have no plans for anything other than vanity," isn't quite the same as "We will only have vanity-only," I know that companies have to say that for legal reasons. Companies sometimes change leadership, change hands, and in the corporate world you simply cannot make concrete promises like that. We can only hope that the current path and plan does not change. If it does, you all that are staying can happily have my stuff.

Now can we all calm down and get back to playing with internet spaceship? I've noticed quite a lull in traffic through my gatecamps and I've got bills to pay people!


I quote CCP Zulu from the video with Mittens.

"You should not be able to gain an unfair advantage with money rather than with time."

That's about as explicit a way of saying "vanity only" as you can get. It's just now that the whiners are beginning to recognize their own idiocy and are scrabbling about for some way to save face.


Exactly. Yesterday I said that exactly this very thing would happen, and behold, it has become so.

People will either declare victory in putting CCP in their place, or desperately start theory crafting half baked what-if scenarios to preserve their dignity.

Sad but predictable.



Bad Messenger
draketrain
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:26:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Brys Bennedict
Originally by: Bad Messenger
Quit already, there is lot of players who want to continue playing.

CCP should really ban/mute more players who whine for whining all the time. Nothing is enough for guys like you.


The day you start muting your playerbase is the day you can start looking for a new game cause the players will leave in droves. Good luck with that. This game has always been filled with *******s, no surprise there. Keep it comin Sunshine! ;)


It works also other way, if whiners like you can whine and whine what ever you like, some other players will quit especially if CCP starts to listen you and do what you want, then it is really game over.


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