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Merouk Baas
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.05 02:08:00 - [1081]
 

You can kind-of estimate the accounts cancelled by looking at server stats for the TQ server and multiplying by 5. For example, if Sundays peak at 52k logons usually, but this past weekend it's been 49k, the difference of 3k * 5 = 15k accounts unsubbed. I.E. not much.

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.05 02:11:00 - [1082]
 

Originally by: Merouk Baas
You can kind-of estimate the accounts cancelled by looking at server stats for the TQ server and multiplying by 5. For example, if Sundays peak at 52k logons usually, but this past weekend it's been 49k, the difference of 3k * 5 = 15k accounts unsubbed. I.E. not much.


a) it's summertime
b) 3/52= 0.058, so near 6%

If we do a little play with numbers, those 6% is probably more than the players that'd be effected by changes to major fleetfights, Time Dilation and similar.. Razz

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.05 02:26:00 - [1083]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel

Because it's impossible to cover everything in one statement, had we tried to enumerate someone would have found we had forgotten and gone "well, they obviously left room for *this one*"

There is clear understanding on both sides of what we (actually) both consider "game-breaking" or "pay2win"._____

Ship Spinning:

There's 2 things people want ship spinning back for:
1) we like to spin ships, it's fun.
2) ship spinning took less performance than the current avatar view.

CCP is going to add as a replacement for the door wallpaper that addresses both concerns.
It will not be the same old hangar view, but will be similar in terms of functionality and performance.


The bolded statement by a CSM needs to be explained..........

I have asked to have this explained multiple times.... It would appear that $$$ for advantage is still coming just not in a GAME BREAKING form.

What are you setting us up for????????


Still Waiting......

Syberbolt8
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.07.05 03:39:00 - [1084]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel

Because it's impossible to cover everything in one statement, had we tried to enumerate someone would have found we had forgotten and gone "well, they obviously left room for *this one*"

There is clear understanding on both sides of what we (actually) both consider "game-breaking" or "pay2win"._____

Ship Spinning:

There's 2 things people want ship spinning back for:
1) we like to spin ships, it's fun.
2) ship spinning took less performance than the current avatar view.

CCP is going to add as a replacement for the door wallpaper that addresses both concerns.
It will not be the same old hangar view, but will be similar in terms of functionality and performance.


The bolded statement by a CSM needs to be explained..........

I have asked to have this explained multiple times.... It would appear that $$$ for advantage is still coming just not in a GAME BREAKING form.

What are you setting us up for????????


Still Waiting......


Don't hold your breath.

Spc One
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.05 04:52:00 - [1085]
 

Edited by: Spc One on 05/07/2011 05:18:47



What i would like to see is that we get our old station interface back.
So user can dock, spin his/hers ship do all the same as before.

If user wants to go to CQ he/she just clicks on the button (left corner) "go to CQ" then station environment loads up and user is in CQ.


Stabmeldys
Posted - 2011.07.05 06:09:00 - [1086]
 

I, as a mature individual, was heavily offended by reading the leaked email. Will wait for the closest opportunity to drop this selfish company away. Pathetic community caring policy ****. Lies

Cpl Punnishment
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.07.05 09:23:00 - [1087]
 

Originally by: Skex Relbore
I still want to know if we're going to get our save fitting slots back with out being charged?


THIS

Jarmug
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:35:00 - [1088]
 

Well nice statement, but due to all the receint changes you are full of stuff. Doing away with the training skills and the social skills prove that. Any other changes to make it a xbox game will only hurt the users. It is NOT a shooter game for x-box or WII. If those people want to play then they should get some brains, intelligence and a PC.

Andar Purvanen
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:50:00 - [1089]
 

Marketing is often about creative lying and I must admit this whole business smells bad. It also smells profitable.

Lots of cancellations over it? Maybe so. I'll bet there are estimates of subscription growth too provided the MMO becomes more like World of Warcraft. Like it or not, it seems to generate revenue.

Profitable revenue? Don't know. WoW seems to be spending like a fiend too.

Once CCP became owned its fate was sealed. Investors want ROI and they will push for it over nearly all human concerns to the contrary. Just look at CEO earnings.

Suck it up crybabies. In the long run EvE dies just like everyone and everything else. Enjoy what you love while you have it and move on without the bitterness going on here.

The pixels know not of love or hate or anything else.

Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Caldari
River-Rats in space
The Ditanian Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.05 13:57:00 - [1090]
 

Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye

Welcome to capitalism!!!

What's most shocking is not people's reactions to what CCP is doing, but rather their total misunderstanding of why businesses exist in the first place. Hint: not to make you happy.

Note: CCP is an inanimate business entity - not your ****ing girlfriend, so stop acting like they've hurt your little feelings, ffs. Nothing personal, it's just business.


Yes and No..
The reason I say that is I started at my present job as a client of the company, on the date i signed up, I was client # 1700 and 40 something, we now have a client database of 100K (and then some)

We didn't get to that point by doing what we "want to do" all the time, we got to that point by also doing what our clients (the ones who pay our salaries/bills/ect) wanted, so YES, business is business, it is intended to make a profit for those who started and maintain it, but NO, it is not a "we do as we want all the time" endeavor simply because if we don't offer our clients something that they want, they will no longer continue to be our clients...

o/
K.S.


Super Whopper
I can Has Cheeseburger
Posted - 2011.07.05 14:58:00 - [1091]
 

Originally by: Kelnarn Shaelingrath
Originally by: Enuen Ravenseye

Welcome to capitalism!!!

What's most shocking is not people's reactions to what CCP is doing, but rather their total misunderstanding of why businesses exist in the first place. Hint: not to make you happy.

Note: CCP is an inanimate business entity - not your ****ing girlfriend, so stop acting like they've hurt your little feelings, ffs. Nothing personal, it's just business.


Yes and No..
The reason I say that is I started at my present job as a client of the company, on the date i signed up, I was client # 1700 and 40 something, we now have a client database of 100K (and then some)

We didn't get to that point by doing what we "want to do" all the time, we got to that point by also doing what our clients (the ones who pay our salaries/bills/ect) wanted, so YES, business is business, it is intended to make a profit for those who started and maintain it, but NO, it is not a "we do as we want all the time" endeavor simply because if we don't offer our clients something that they want, they will no longer continue to be our clients...

o/
K.S.




Don't waste your time explaining this logic to the deaf and blind here, they are still under the impression EVE is 'their' game and we have no influence on it whatsoever. Trying to explain to them that if all these paying customers left EVE to CCP to play 'their' game there would be no game is like trying to teach a donkey to talk. In fact I'm sure a donkey would sooner talk than the unwashed rabble here understand that it's not 'their' game, as a bunch of executives, developers and shareholders don't make a game.

In the words of Einstein, the only thing we can be certain of is human stupidity and CCP are the epitome of it. Fear not, CCP will kill this game, just as NATO are massacring men, women and children in Libya, for their own good.

Andre Coeurl
Gallente
TOHA Heavy Industries
TOHA Conglomerate
Posted - 2011.07.05 18:22:00 - [1092]
 

That the CSM "have been convinced" is no assurance at all, given that they could easy have been shown just the reassuring side of CCP's future plans. And, by all means, CSM's words have no legal value, just a personal trust value.
On the other hand, the wording of CCP's statement may sound reassuring, but it isn't at all when you read the phrases with some attention.

"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."
This is a very obvious backdoor, saying that the NeX won't sell "game breaking items or enhancements" implies that some other virtual store will quite possibly do that.
That phrases are very, very different from saying: "There won't EVER be any sale of game breaking items or enhancements in any part of EVE online."
Since they didn't say it after all this fuss, they don't want to say it. Plain and simple.

"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time. The CSM, under NDA, has been presented with CCP‘s plans for continued evolution of the business model and agrees that nothing they saw breaks this principle. CCP has committed to sharing their plans with the CSM on this front on an ongoing basis."
This, in other words, obviously means that the investment of money in EVE should give you a FAIR advantage over the investment of time, not an unfair one.
So, as long as the advantage is fair, it will be possible to invest money to have all sort of elite treatment. How this "fairness" will be defined will obviously be a point of further discussions with CSM up there in the Iceland scenario, maybe in a hot pool with some caviar and champagne and maybe with a few blonde masseuse easing the post-flight stress. Just maybe. But the need to discuss each "step forward" in person with CSM is written, is it not. Fair exchange. Noble, we could call it.

What about things like "ship personalization", previously taken back on the ground of "game performance issues"?
Now those "issues" vanish in front of that good old miracle-maker and lag-killer called CASH.

Boy says to Girl "I love you so much (I want your xxxx)"
Girl says to Boy "I'm just 3 months out of a very important story with my ex (no xxxx)"
Boy says to Girl "Here's a diamond necklace to prove my love (will pay for xxxx)"
Girl says to Boy "it was just a one month long story after all (here's the xxxx)"

P42ALPHA
Gallente
Epidemic.
THE D0MINION
Posted - 2011.07.05 23:13:00 - [1093]
 

1000 nex for 10 hours access to the ship hanger?

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.07.06 00:48:00 - [1094]
 

Originally by: P42ALPHA
1000 nex for 10 hours access to the ship hanger?


Good thing I like flying cruisers/frigs and own supercaps. Tad bad about those who don't. Razz

Enthral
Posted - 2011.07.06 02:14:00 - [1095]
 

Edited by: Enthral on 06/07/2011 02:16:01
They've claimed there never WERE plans. They've claimed there CURRENTLY aren't plans. They still haven't claimed there NEVER will be plans.

Additionally, the weasel-wording "...game breaking items or enhancements...", implies to me that there ARE plans for NeX-available game ENHANCEMENTS and items which enhance gameplay so long as they are not considered "game breaking" by CCP.

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.07.06 06:51:00 - [1096]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 06/07/2011 06:51:51
So a proper statement by Hilmar wasn't needed? Enough idiots signed up without it?

edit: well.... with or without... still idiots :-)

Ed Allstar
Posted - 2011.07.06 08:39:00 - [1097]
 

Have just un-subbed my all accounts in protest at NeX pricing and lack of transparency on the issue of CG, Hangar, MT and the utter lack of consideration of what the majority of players want.

I will only pay for Eve access by buying plex using ISK earned in-game from now on, i wont line the pockets of greedy CCP by paying for Eve access using real money..

Ed Allstar
Posted - 2011.07.06 08:41:00 - [1098]
 

http://i.imgur.com/g3hEB.jpg

Kabars
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2011.07.06 11:52:00 - [1099]
 

Originally by: Kitsune Sakai
Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


There are a few other games that have introduced systems like the NeX store in it and it started out with vanity items and then when they started slacking in funds they decided to introduce item to help you leve up, more experience and then if you had enough cash you could buy "special gear" I hope this does not happen but if investors start applying pressure to ccp for better returns on there investment I would not be suprised to see Faction ships in the NeX store

OmegaTwig
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.07.06 12:15:00 - [1100]
 

Originally by: Ed Allstar
Have just un-subbed my all accounts in protest at NeX pricing and lack of transparency on the issue of CG, Hangar, MT and the utter lack of consideration of what the majority of players want.

I will only pay for Eve access by buying plex using ISK earned in-game from now on, i wont line the pockets of greedy CCP by paying for Eve access using real money..


Not to poke holes in your very noble (pun intended) idea, you do understand that the PLEX has to come from someone purchasing GTC's right? CCP does not materialize and seed the market with PLEX, that'd be stupid. So by playing the game you are still "line[ing] the pockets of greedy CCP"

-OT

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:33:00 - [1101]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel

Because it's impossible to cover everything in one statement, had we tried to enumerate someone would have found we had forgotten and gone "well, they obviously left room for *this one*"

There is clear understanding on both sides of what we (actually) both consider "game-breaking" or "pay2win"._____

Ship Spinning:

There's 2 things people want ship spinning back for:
1) we like to spin ships, it's fun.
2) ship spinning took less performance than the current avatar view.

CCP is going to add as a replacement for the door wallpaper that addresses both concerns.
It will not be the same old hangar view, but will be similar in terms of functionality and performance.


The bolded statement by a CSM needs to be explained..........

I have asked to have this explained multiple times.... It would appear that $$$ for advantage is still coming just not in a GAME BREAKING form.

What are you setting us up for????????


Still Waiting......



And waiting some more.....

Ed Allstar
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:48:00 - [1102]
 

Originally by: OmegaTwig
Originally by: Ed Allstar
Have just un-subbed my all accounts in protest at NeX pricing and lack of transparency on the issue of CG, Hangar, MT and the utter lack of consideration of what the majority of players want.

I will only pay for Eve access by buying plex using ISK earned in-game from now on, i wont line the pockets of greedy CCP by paying for Eve access using real money..


Not to poke holes in your very noble (pun intended) idea, you do understand that the PLEX has to come from someone purchasing GTC's right? CCP does not materialize and seed the market with PLEX, that'd be stupid. So by playing the game you are still "line[ing] the pockets of greedy CCP"

-OT


sure i get that, but i dont want to stop the playing they game but do want to make some sort of protest.

CCP's pockets may still get lined, but i'll be satisfied that it didnt come out of my bank account, is all.

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.06 13:51:00 - [1103]
 

"We have communicated our intention here internally in very wide circles through the Virtual Economy Summit presentation at the GSM, our Fearless newsletter, sprint reviews, email lists and multiple other channels. This should not come as a surprise to anyone."

Qoute from Hilmar's email.........

Yep, Fearless was pretty clear that you want to add more then just vanity!

Feisty Cadavar
Posted - 2011.07.06 18:27:00 - [1104]
 

I was thinking about MT and the NEX market. I think that CCP should investigate allowing developers to market their in-game tools and whatnot to the citizens of eve.

I know CCP is looking into 'contracts' for developers and this would seem to be a win/win/win scenerio. It would generate a revenue stream for CCP, it would also provide a good interface to tell CCP whose a 'licensed' developer and would allow developers to get word out about their wares to the rest of the player population and perhaps make a bit of isk/money whatever.

Just a thought.

Unshra
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.06 19:21:00 - [1105]
 

Originally by: Syberbolt8
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel

Because it's impossible to cover everything in one statement, had we tried to enumerate someone would have found we had forgotten and gone "well, they obviously left room for *this one*"

There is clear understanding on both sides of what we (actually) both consider "game-breaking" or "pay2win"._____

Ship Spinning:

There's 2 things people want ship spinning back for:
1) we like to spin ships, it's fun.
2) ship spinning took less performance than the current avatar view.

CCP is going to add as a replacement for the door wallpaper that addresses both concerns.
It will not be the same old hangar view, but will be similar in terms of functionality and performance.


The bolded statement by a CSM needs to be explained..........

I have asked to have this explained multiple times.... It would appear that $$$ for advantage is still coming just not in a GAME BREAKING form.

What are you setting us up for????????


Still Waiting......


Don't hold your breath.


Actually please do. ^_^

Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:09:00 - [1106]
 

I'll pass thank you...





Now answer the question....

Needa3
Minmatar
BURN EDEN
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2011.07.06 23:12:00 - [1107]
 

SNIPERS

give em back Exclamation

OmegaTwig
Firebird Squadron
Terra-Incognita
Posted - 2011.07.07 13:32:00 - [1108]
 

Originally by: Ed Allstar
Originally by: OmegaTwig
Originally by: Ed Allstar
stuff


more stuff
-OT

CCP's pockets may still get lined, but i'll be satisfied that it didnt come out of my bank account, is all.


Fair enough!

+1 Internets for you sir Cool

JT Black
Amarr
ALPHA REACTION
Posted - 2011.07.08 08:20:00 - [1109]
 

Originally by: Needa3
SNIPERS

give em back Exclamation


Too late man, CCP has a new feature now its about reporting bots on a magic drop down menu D

Yo , can we pew or not yet ? We really need more of those features...

How about game mechanics in need of fixing or a button like Press to kill blob Idea

Security team is busy playing WoT's while you lot click " Report Bot " Laughing

Now back to my resubbed WoT account Twisted Evil

Draycen Trell
Amarr
1st Praetorianorum Fabri
Posted - 2011.07.08 13:01:00 - [1110]
 

'Special' summit....says it all.

I am totally flabbergasted by the logic or immense lack of it in bringing the NeX system into game.
This ISK sinking money spinning wherling dervish of FAIL makes CCP look money grabbing band waggon riders and has insulted many players on several levels. I sincerely hope that everyone boycots this pathetic 'feature'. CCP, please work on your bugs....not clowns costumes. Question


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