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Dark Reignz
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:59:00 - [811]
 

You guys have missed a crucial point here and that is:

CCP have yet to clarify there intentions as to which items acutally do fall under "Vanity Items".


Personally for me and no doubt alot of others i'm pretty gutted it will remain vanity only, becuase there are certain items I would have bought, stopping short of buying gold ships and more skill points. So I feel let down.

I reakon its the PRO MT side of the communities turn to cause uproar, whine and moan about this. Mass protest and fake-quit as we were not respresented at that meeting.......

El'Niaga
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:59:00 - [812]
 

I would like to thank CCP and the CSM for their efforts.

I know all will not be pleased but to be fair this is far better than the SWG community ever got from SOE in the days after NGE deployment.

We know that there is a press conference on Tuesday where members of the media are invited, and also there is a fansite conference. So if you got questions not answered get in touch with them (eve-radio, massively, eurogamer, PC Gamer etc)

I appreciate the CSM trying to clarify as much as they can.

I've read a promise that we'll see some amazing stuff for space this winter, well it'll be about time its been 2 years since any serious development on the space side of the game. I think this is the area that most needs improvement, folks aren't feeling like they are getting their moneys worth and that was the real cause of the blow ups the last 2 weeks.

Anyway it is good to see many satisfied.

Davon Kastire
Caldari
Hit it n' Quit it
Posted - 2011.07.03 03:59:00 - [813]
 

What I liked:

1. No Pay 2 Win

2. Future return of ship spinning

3. CSM reactions to the following - how NEX was rolled out, The "Greed is Good" leak, CCP Zulu's "episode", Hilmar's E-mail leak.

What I didn't like:

1. CCP not admitting to lying about micro-transactions.

Mintala Arana
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:00:00 - [814]
 

Seems pretty clear-cut to me. No "gold ammo". Yay!

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:00:00 - [815]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 03/07/2011 04:03:00
Where is Hilmar's committment?

Not worth the paper it's written on I'm sorry to say.

edit: Actually, this is **** poor. "We just didn't communicate".

No. You PLANNED. You made CLEAR STATEMENTS showing you were focusing on SHINNY because the STATS showed more sales.

Bob Ritchie
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:05:00 - [816]
 

Originally by: Constantinus Maximus
Where is Hilmar's committment?

Not worth the paper it's written on I'm sorry to say.



That's what I was gonna say.

Hilmar apology (or his response of choice for the issue his arrogance caused) or STFU. Seriously.

P2W is already in game in virtually every way. There is no item in-game currently that can't be bought legally and within ToS by converting RL currency to isk. The real story is a CEO calling his meal ticket a bunch of whiners who will eventually bend over and take what ever he gives us.

Waiting for Hilmar official response-somebody page his crystal palace and interrupt the massage we paid for.

Nice Package
Zero-G Hydroponics
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:08:00 - [817]
 

Thanks Arnar & CCP.

Pretty good response.

Most normals will accept and appreciate.




Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:45:00 - [818]
 

Originally by: Kerrisone
No, only to a few people like you it is 'sacred' to CCP making more money is sacred, like the Cash Cow Eve is.

I hate to be blunt but it seems like you are getting really worked up to have CCP make up a lie to explain leaving your pod everytime, how about a new technology that removes all 'nasty' aspects of decanting? Or your pod auto ejects from the ship for security/safety reasons and machines remove/dress you which is why you don't notice anything until after you are dressed/out of your pod? All we need now is some CCP employee to write it up in a new chronicle/etc then it will all be okay.

Let me summarize for you what you actually said:
"I don't care about this, so neither should you."
Shove off. Immersion is important to some of us and Incarna as presented now is immersion breaking, and no, there is no way to justify getting out of your ship just to dock and get ammo unless suddenly the process of getting into a pod AND getting a pod into a ship is suddenly such a trivial task that it makes actually being a capsuleer less impressive and important.

The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:46:00 - [819]
 

what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(


SupaKudoRio
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:50:00 - [820]
 

Originally by: Vandrion
Edited by: Vandrion on 02/07/2011 16:51:51
Edited by: Vandrion on 02/07/2011 16:47:38
"It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store."

You said the same thing last year about ALL forms of micro transactions.... What is the expiration date associated with the above statement??

http://i.imgur.com/f5Cq5.jpg


Edit to add the link for the actual forum thread:

Original statement of no MT by CCP



I noticed that, too. I'd give it around 6-8 months. Guess I need to give my assets to someone (read: a friend, not some random forumite) so they're not wasted when the remainder of my time runs out.

Also, bolded the important part. So you are planning on some "non-game breaking" items, eh, CCP? Considering your utter ineptitude of late, I'm dubious any of them will be implemented in any state other than "game breaking". Well, good luck with that I guess.

Slidepot
Posted - 2011.07.03 04:59:00 - [821]
 

My one and only questions is... Was there any and I mean any interest show by the Ginger at the top.. Any? Did he stop by and say Hi? If not this whole :effort: was just a bandaid... IMO

Originally by: The Mittani
what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(



Vandrion
Gallente
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:01:00 - [822]
 

Edited by: Vandrion on 03/07/2011 05:02:24
Originally by: Zakota Vertidei
Originally by: Vandrion
Originally by: Taedrin
Edited by: Taedrin on 02/07/2011 16:52:28
/very satisfied

Highlights:
-CCP confirms that there are no non-vanity items in the NEX, nor were there ever any real plans to introduce them.

-CCP promises to improve communication

-CCP promises to reintroduce ship spinning in the future.

EDIT: resubbing two accounts


They said no MT at all last year.....Original NO MT statement by CCP

What they say doesn't matter.. Its what they do........

You are taking things out of context. There are no plans for MT in relation to paying for SP.

Stop it. They are doing what they need to do.


I recommend reading to you....

As I have said once before in this thread-- The posts by CCP Shadow speak of MT as a whole.. If it was only skill points he would have said "No MT for skill points".

I will copy and paste Post #20 in that thread so you can read it again:

"No. There are no microtransaction plans, whatsoever. I wrote "in this case" because this extended downtime was an unusual situation. It's not every day we relocate our servers to a new facility."

Whatsoever.... Skillpoints... 2 totally different words.....

I would like CSM/CCP to explain/define gamebreaking (per CCP statement) and game altering (per CSM statement). I think it is imporatant for all of us to know that the CSM, the players and CCP are all on the same page......

Helena Russell Makanen
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:05:00 - [823]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(




Arrogant and snotty as usual telling people what they should think. Nice of you to call anyone who doesn't think like you do 'the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe'. Do you have any idea how to serve people without insulting those who don't think like you do? Hubris.

Oh sorry forgot, you got to be on video! You rock! Rolling Eyes

Thanks for your 'sympathy' about Hilmar's email mocking all Eve players. Where was the apology? Where was any word of regret from CCP? Where was your spine?

Gendari Kallinen
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:06:00 - [824]
 

It's not the AUR, it's not the poor execution of the CQ even though it's the first step, it's the lying, plain and simple. And I will say this, the day that game-usable items get sold at the NeX store, is the day I quit EVE.

For a very good discussion of how and why CCP erred, read this.

We must trust CCP to create a fair, balanced game environment. We must trust that they will not twist the rules of the game for their own ends. We must trust them not to simply turn the player base into a huge cash-cow for CCP. That is why anything that even appears to alter the player base perception of whether CCP has broken that trust is such a big deal. I would strongly advise CCP communicate with the player base clearly, and without any hint of deceit or dissimulation.


Juggalo Stazz
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:15:00 - [825]
 

Originally by: Boaz Netopalis
Much better worded than the prior 2 blogs, at least, but I'm still out. I wasn't really logging in much anyway so the whole dealie with the NEX store and the possibility of "gold ammo" didn't bug me. No -- I'm out due to Zulu's "rageblog" followed by Hilmar's email. The complete disregard for the players of the game in those 2 things are why I no longer wish to support CCP. TBH, in my case, there's nothing that could be said nor any apology that could be made that would reverse that for me, so while I can appreciate the attempt at conciliation it's not going to bring me back either.

I have enjoyed my time in EVE, so for those staying and re-subbing: Fly safe, and I wish you well.


It amazes me that players in this game are for the most part morally balanced and don't let others walk all over them.Don't get me wrong I am still angry with the rageblog, but I am a forgiving person. Thank you for your good luck wishes, I will try to fly safe, and I am re-subbing. Good luck to you in your RL endeavors.

Poll
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:16:00 - [826]
 

FIX LAG in large unit combat. That is what we should be truly outraged about....

Ispia Jaydrath
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:23:00 - [827]
 

Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen
Originally by: The Mittani
what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(




Arrogant and snotty as usual telling people what they should think. Nice of you to call anyone who doesn't think like you do 'the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe'. Do you have any idea how to serve people without insulting those who don't think like you do? Hubris.

Oh sorry forgot, you got to be on video! You rock! Rolling Eyes

Thanks for your 'sympathy' about Hilmar's email mocking all Eve players. Where was the apology? Where was any word of regret from CCP? Where was your spine?


I get it, you're being ironic.

Zen Sins
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:27:00 - [828]
 


As I actually READ the Fearless newsletter, and have seen no evidence to support the spin about it being "deliberately controversial", I just don't buy their explanation. Maybe its an Icelandic thing, and I'm suffering from culture shock. But Ockham's razor says otherwise.

I am happy that CCP has apparently changed their minds about introducing performance enhancing goods in the NeX store.

I am disappointed that they did not admit to having plans to do so, but I can understand their reluctance to come clean.

All-in-all I'd call the CSM meeting a success. My faith that CCP won't be ruining the game with microtransactions is restored. My faith in CCP's honesty toward their customers will likely never be 100% again.

Helena Russell Makanen
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:29:00 - [829]
 

Originally by: Poll
FIX LAG in large unit combat. That is what we should be truly outraged about....


But they are 'fixing it'... they are going to slow down the battles to run in slow motion. That will fix everything! Rolling Eyes

Of course they will never put that item in their 'grand battle' promo videos. Why?

Because its lame and stupid.

Helena Russell Makanen
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:33:00 - [830]
 

Originally by: Ispia Jaydrath
Originally by: Helena Russell Makanen
Originally by: The Mittani
what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(




Arrogant and snotty as usual telling people what they should think. Nice of you to call anyone who doesn't think like you do 'the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe'. Do you have any idea how to serve people without insulting those who don't think like you do? Hubris.

Oh sorry forgot, you got to be on video! You rock! Rolling Eyes

Thanks for your 'sympathy' about Hilmar's email mocking all Eve players. Where was the apology? Where was any word of regret from CCP? Where was your spine?


I get it, you're being ironic.


As are you. Very Happy

Brother Phatt
Amarr
Macabre Votum
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:41:00 - [831]
 

well every one knows i hate most patches and changes in the game and pretty much don't believe any thing any one says i had 6 2003 account witch i have turned off all but one and I'm going to wait and see what happens i think no matter what u guys have put the start of the death nail in to eve the trust and belief in ccp is gone if it can come back it will take years. u would have been better off bring back the paint shop.

Chingyz
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:49:00 - [832]
 

So what I read from this they'll not put in Gold ammo items, however there's no promise of not putting things in that is part of the player driven economy, e.g. regular ships and items. Neither is there anything on why they didn't make the NEX items player made.

Kiran
Minmatar
Knights of Azrael
Anti-Social Outcast
Posted - 2011.07.03 05:53:00 - [833]
 

In a previous CSM post they mentioned we might be able to change bloodlines at a latter date. What about gender as well ?

When some of us started playing back in 2003 CCP told us we would never have walking in stations and that our avatars would never leave their pods. Now all this has changed. Some of us have invested to much time and skill points into characters just to start all over again.

Good job on the statements, I did have my doubts about a Goonswarm CEO being in there. But like the rest of us you have a passion and view on Eve. Thank you.

d4shing
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:04:00 - [834]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
what a huge pain in the ass this all was. just got back home.

as i said before, this whole mess could have been prevented with better communication from ccp, which is the company's achilles heel. i'm glad that we were able to help clarify things and that the spectre of gold ammo and gold ships and lowes in space can be put to rest, beyond the easily-trolled conspiracy theorist fringe who'll sperg out no matter who says what

now i'm going to go to sleep for a week. at least in wisconsin the sun goes down X(




I think they communicated pretty clearly that they want more of our money but that they don't want to have to earn it by making the game more enjoyable to play.

They even communicated that they're happy to consider making the game worse in the long-run if it wrings out more cash in the short term.

I don't think the problem was that they didn't communicate this in a sufficiently gentle manner.

Dalketh
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:05:00 - [835]
 

Originally by: Kiran


Good job on the statements, I did have my doubts about a Goonswarm CEO being in there. But like the rest of us you have a passion and view on Eve. Thank you.


And how did the goon CEO redeem himself exactly? By getting no apology for Hilmar's email insulting the entire community?

Or was it the video of him talking talking talking and then practically attaching his mouth to the Dev's crotch towards the end?

Pretty hair though. Glad he had enough time for that. Rolling Eyes

Eterna Unum
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:07:00 - [836]
 

Everyone here is missing the obvious: CCP has just completely brainwashed the CSM into being their mind slaves. Look! You can see it in The Mittani's eyes!! We're doomed!!! Wink lol

Thank you CCP and everyone in the CSM for your hard work. I'm very happy to know our favorite internet spaceship game is not lost to us. This to me is proven in the statement of no gold ammo (vanity items only), and the commitment to work on better communication with the players. These are the biggest concerns I had.

It's not just what you've said, but what you're doing as well.

I'm looking forward to the dev blogs in the coming weeks.

Garekell
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:10:00 - [837]
 

Edited by: Garekell on 03/07/2011 06:11:47
Originally by: Eterna Unum
and the commitment to work on better communication with the players.


They have promised this over and over and over and over and over and over to the players and multiple CSM's in the past.

I do mean over and over and over and over anytime the sh**t has hit the fan.

It means little now after so many repeats.

But go ahead and hope.... until the next time. Rolling Eyes

Kiran
Minmatar
Knights of Azrael
Anti-Social Outcast
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:10:00 - [838]
 

Originally by: Dalketh
Originally by: Kiran


Good job on the statements, I did have my doubts about a Goonswarm CEO being in there. But like the rest of us you have a passion and view on Eve. Thank you.


And how did the goon CEO redeem himself exactly? By getting no apology for Hilmar's email insulting the entire community?

Or was it the video of him talking talking talking and then practically attaching his mouth to the Dev's crotch towards the end?

Pretty hair though. Glad he had enough time for that. Rolling Eyes


And some people will never be pleased no matter what you do. The devil you do the devil you don't. In your eyes the CSM would never of won no matter what the outcome was. They are under a NDA so can't say much, but I ask you this. Do you know what the NDA means?

Cattegirn
Intellectual Wookies
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:14:00 - [839]
 

What they needed to say was "We will not", rather than "There are no plans". Quite honestly nothing has changed.

Dalketh
Posted - 2011.07.03 06:14:00 - [840]
 

Originally by: Kiran
Originally by: Dalketh
Originally by: Kiran


Good job on the statements, I did have my doubts about a Goonswarm CEO being in there. But like the rest of us you have a passion and view on Eve. Thank you.


And how did the goon CEO redeem himself exactly? By getting no apology for Hilmar's email insulting the entire community?

Or was it the video of him talking talking talking and then practically attaching his mouth to the Dev's crotch towards the end?

Pretty hair though. Glad he had enough time for that. Rolling Eyes


And some people will never be pleased no matter what you do. The devil you do the devil you don't. In your eyes the CSM would never of won no matter what the outcome was. They are under a NDA so can't say much, but I ask you this. Do you know what the NDA means?


YUP - it means powerless and useless except for blindlessly believing on faith. Look how well that has worked out lol. These last weeks taught you nothing apparently.


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