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Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:03:00 - [511]
 

Edited by: Kendra Wilkinson on 02/07/2011 20:06:33
two days of meetings, 24 hours of translation, a topic of 450 pages with 13450 reply and 1,2 m reads ... and you spawn a devblog of poor this quality and trying juste to save face ?

What about rumour of financial trouble?
What about new content?
What about reintroduce old stuff (except the ship spinning theres' the old cyno? does we must protest a week for you listen us?)

There's again plenty questions (do yours Laughing) you havent answer, i understand you cant do all in same times. I understand that we make all error in our life, that sometimes emotion take the hand on our brain.

but what's the utility of japanese spance pants @ 1000$ if you dont get attibutes to wear this pants?

you make just one little step to your community but I am not convinced by your words

Ovella
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:04:00 - [512]
 

Originally by: Kayscha
- CSM comes over as extremely mindful of CCP's feelings in this and not as the ruthlessly inquisitive player representatives we need them to be.
We'll have pink rifters that will shoot DD, but hey! it's gonna be cool... Rolling Eyes

octahexx Charante
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:04:00 - [513]
 

i dont know..i have to churn it over in my mind for a few days.

paranoid part of me says they are buying time for WOD to get up and running and after that they will dump eve and launch all kinds of weird stuff to milk the cow.

the other part of me that really likes eve see this dev on the video and cant really imagine him as somekind of coldblooded pr master evil genius out to screw everyone... i just basicly see a nervous coding geek dude that is very human.
its pretty obvious he is glad mitani talks alot so he dont have to.

i want to believe everything is fine but there is huge holes missing...the hilmar email and the internal newsletter speak different laungage then the rest of this but it was left out.

i dont know.

mixed emotions about it,i hope everyone makes up their own mind about it despite the spamming of sidetakers in the thread.

Tyree Jinx
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:06:00 - [514]
 

Thank you all for responding. +2 accounts to remain. Now I'll get back to makin isk.

Chrysanthemum Korik
Monocles Of Death
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:06:00 - [515]
 

Originally by: Youli Kepain
Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.
The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.


Thank you! Was that really so hard to say?
Now I can resub again and enjoy Internet Spaceships without fear.


You realize they can make a new plan tomorrow that sells sp, isk and ships in the store for cash and the above statement is still true? What we wanted them to say and is apparently too hard for them to say is to commit as they have previously to not selling non-vanity items in the future. They have not committed to that yet.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:06:00 - [516]
 

I am now cautiously optimistic.

Glad that CCP have committed to restoring a functional hanger view to deal with poor incarna peformance.
Glad that the game-impacting MT issue has been dealt with (as far as it can be without discussing Dust 514)

I'm still concerned about the impact of NeX however and would appreciate some more detail on levels of non-Nex Incarna content that we can expect in the coming releases.

On the whole though I will add my voice to those thanking the CSM for flying to Iceland on short notice to have this discussion and for now I'm more content to watch what CCP will do in the coming iterations of Incarna.

Dalketh
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:08:00 - [517]
 

Originally by: Youli Kepain
Quote:
It is CCP‘s plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.
The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.


Thank you! Was that really so hard to say?
Now I can resub again and enjoy Internet Spaceships without fear.


STUPIDEST THING SAID EVER. (Sorry poster but it is)

Katrishar
Minmatar
Rayn Enterprises
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:08:00 - [518]
 

Thank you CCP and CSM for your hard work getting through the issues of the past few weeks. I will be keeping my 2 subs active for the forseable future, and will continue to send out some "buddy invites" to my RL friends.

CCP I think you should take your apology one step further and give Eve online some of the Vampire developers for a few months to "flesh out" (pun intended) some gameplay for the Captain's Quarters. Smile

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:09:00 - [519]
 

I wonder if there had not been an outcry we would now have supercaps for sale in the store, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I am glad I am not having to vote with my subscription.

Meanwhile I'm still looking at the door, but living with bugs, 'features' and difficulty is of course a normal part of EVE life.

Thanks to all parties for seeing reason and their hard work.

Liva Daril
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:09:00 - [520]
 

The good: finally we´re done with this ridiculous MT problem.
For now..
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Originally by: Mag's
Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
So it's about the "idea" that your player goes out of its pod?
Or is it about the associated performance of loading your character?

Which is it?

Both have been addressed by CCP's statement.
You're trolling, right?


the current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar.

*THAT* answers both those concerns.
And now on to the actual problem of this whole Incarna thing.

Why do we have to wait for CCP´s already stretched thin coding/design resources( bare bone MT store, only single CQ finished, actual station environs ...) coming up with a new "ship-spin of Ozom"-hangar, when we already had a perfectly good working one for the last 8 years?

THAT´S the million isk question, which sadly it seems the CSM has totally missed addressing.

Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:09:00 - [521]
 

Originally by: Gloria Stitz

No wonder it took so long, the lawyers took out anything they could be held to.


I am so happy to see I wasn't alone on that thought, a couple others mentioned about the same thing previously too.

You did a great job disseccting what was said, an showing the grand canyon size holes that were left to jump thru when CCP is ready to move forward.

TetraEtc
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:10:00 - [522]
 

I am unhappy about this. I hate station spinning. It lags my computer out. Incarna was good.

Why u no listen to me ccp. NO STATION SPINNING!

MAKE NULL SEC GO AWAY.

NERF DRAKES

Helig
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:13:00 - [523]
 

Thanks CCP and for the efforts of the CSM. Hopefully this just demonstrates you've brought together a very capable and passionate player base, no bad thing.

Dante Marcellus
Minmatar
Belligerent Underpayed Tactical Team
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:14:00 - [524]
 

This was nice to wake up to. :D Thank you CCP!

Gouzu Kho
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:15:00 - [525]
 

I'm glad with the outcome, and I am very impressed with the CSM and CCP's willingness to negotiate with them.

At last something was handled well, good job.

Khamal Jolstien
Caldari
THORN Syndicate
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:16:00 - [526]
 

Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
The words "never will be plans for non-vanity items" seem to be missing. Fix this.


They also didn't say the sky is red, or that the Earth is flat, so obviously this must be true as well.

It is simply impossible to come up with a statement that some idiot can't rip an imaginary hole in.



Actually, "never will be plans" covers it just nicely. Back to your bridge, troll.

Dr Lebroi
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:17:00 - [527]
 

Thanks to the CSM for flying halfway across the world and thanks to CCP for listening - now CCP, don't be a stranger mkay?

Grog Barrel
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:17:00 - [528]
 

May i ask, what would be the fair advantages, that can be purchased via Aurum?

Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:17:00 - [529]
 

Originally by: Korbin Dallaz
It seems that one of the points that they are missing is that as long as AUR can purchase items not made by players then they do affect game play. AUR are purchased with PLEX and PLEX are bought and sold in game with isk. Unless or until players make and profit from the sale of the clothing and monocles then the player driven economy has been broken period end of story. You can try to talk around it all that you like but a basic game component and previous sales point has been permanently broken.

In other words when I came to this game I was sold on a very strict player driven economy and my ability to buy game time with in game money at a price determined by the strict player driven economy. That foundation of game play and reason I came to eve are now gone. Truth be told I have never purchased a PLEX but the promise of an honest market for them is what sucked me into this game and I had looked forward to a day when I could pay for the game that way. My hopes, dreams and one of my main reasons for playing eve are gone.


Careful, lots of people never connected those dots, you may be ostracized for being intellegent.

SilentDisruptor
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:18:00 - [530]
 

Originally by: Dr Valeri
ey guys, no game-breaking MT.

Why are you still *MAD*?



Because CCP has been intentionally misleading us about their planned direction for the game. That is the real problem here. They continue to mislead us, apologetically .


Also, "game breaking" leaves a hell of a lot of room.

VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:19:00 - [531]
 

Originally by: Khamal Jolstien
The words "never will be plans for non-vanity items" seem to be missing. Fix this.


/signed.


I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:21:00 - [532]
 

Nothing new, same old rubbish... "had no plans and have no plans" doens't means you won't have a change of heart tommorow and decide to sell everything for AUR instead of isk... you put it in wallet, afterall - makes it only right if that's the currency that used for market orders, screw isk anyone can get it by killing rats ingame.


Besides, right way to adress it would be like this. If releaseing such statements requires you to wait 1.5 weeks and call for CSM to help I'm shocked that you actually manage to keep servers running.

Slaghead
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:22:00 - [533]
 

After all of the waiting, I am completely underwhelmed at the result. I'm really not understanding all of the people who are 'happy' with this result. Too many weasel words in these statements to take anything seriously. I really wanted to re-activate my alt but instead I'm on the fence. I want to believe but the lack of truthiness by CCP and the lack of definitiveness on the biggest issues just have me deflated at this point.

Sucks to be losing training time but I don't want to invest any more time, money and effort into characters that I'll just have to abandon when CCP decides to have plans to introduce non-vanity items for AUR.

VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:23:00 - [534]
 

I do not like poop in my sandbox.

Please keep it that way.

Dr Nefarius
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:25:00 - [535]
 

In the CSM comments they state CCP has plans on perhaps implementing ship skins which will be bought with AUR. While it is not gamebreaking it will give ingame-advantages, at least when it comes to baiting. Who could resist a Hello Kitty Drake?
Small advantage, which I could accept. Just hope that is where they draw the final line.

Myrdraeus Keaunt
Minmatar
Chaos Delivery Systems
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:25:00 - [536]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Glad that CCP have committed to restoring a functional hanger view to deal with poor incarna peformance.



"Some time in the future."

zcar300
Gallente
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:28:00 - [537]
 

"The current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar"

All this talk about minimum specs and multiple clients. What about midrange specs and single clients? My computer is above the minimum specs and it runs like **** in CQ with one client. In my opinion Incarna will not be fixed until the game runs the same inside and out of the CQs.

"The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time."

They have already broken this with PLEX. Without the ability to sell PLEX many players would not be able to afford the high price of faction, officer, and deadspace modules. Not to mention higher quality ships.

Korbin Dallaz
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:28:00 - [538]
 

Originally by: Gloria Stitz


The investment of money in EVE should not give you an unfair advantage over the investment of time.




Currently a person can buy as many PLEXs as they want with RL money and buy super cap fleets to stomp their enemies out. The reason that does not break this rule is because players are profiting from the purchase of the super caps. i.e. you could be funding the very enemy that you bought the super caps to stomp out.

The current AUR model allows players to buy items from the noble store that are made by the server and sell them on the market for isk. Further those AUR are purchased with PLEX so doubling the effect that the MT has on the player driven market.

This post was to give an actual example of how my previous theoretical post plays out in game and how PLEX do no violate the above rule.

I'thari
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:30:00 - [539]
 

Originally by: SilentDisruptor
Also, "game breaking" leaves a hell of a lot of room.
That remindes me of stuff I once read in a gamechat... was soemthing along the lines of "once you could put containers inside each other, creating virtually unlimited cargo space... and when you put first one into last one - server crached" - that is what I see as "gamebreaking".


Some "blob generator": "protect your sovereignity by installing this structure in your system - anyone without +10 standings guaranteed to have blacksreen when attempting to jump in, only 10000000 AUR!" Rolling Eyes

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.07.02 20:30:00 - [540]
 

Originally by: Don Aubaris

Edit : And I'm in aggreement with some other posts. Some kind of 'amnesty' should be given to players that got banned for protesting too fiery.



You mean for threatening real live employees over a video game?

Bans should be permanent. Zero tolerance is the only deterrent for this behavior.

Mr Epeen Cool


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