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Jashmyne
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:56:00 - [271]
 

Good CCP.
Can we now get more of the Incarna content ?
The other CQs and open up the rest of the stations.

Neom Disaki
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:57:00 - [272]
 

I didn't like the game breaking phrase. Other than that, I'm happy with what I've read and watched. I do wish it didn't take all this to just answer a few simple questions.

What I dislike about the game breaking part is that, it leaves room for interpretation. Are we going to see items such as more fitting slots on the NEX?

Victoria Wolfe
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:58:00 - [273]
 

Very pleased with the results! Pretty much everything major was addressed. I was actually surprised they moved on the ship spinning but am happy to see it make a return. Now just get me missile turrets and I'll be all set Very Happy

RUS Comannder
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:58:00 - [274]
 

quoted from dev blog:

"Game-affecting Virtual Goods: We are convinced that CCP has no plans to introduce any game-affecting virtual goods, only pure vanity items such as clothing and ship skins. We have been repeatedly assured that there are no plans for 組old ammo', Game-affecting Virtual Goods: We are convinced that CCP has no plans to introduce any game-affecting virtual goods, only pure vanity items such as clothing and ship skins. We have been repeatedly assured that there are no plans for 組old ammo', ships which have different statistics from existing common hulls, or any other feared 組ame destroying' virtual goods or services. or any other feared 組ame destroying' virtual goods or services."

I am comforted by the first sentence I bolded and if I held a great deal of trust for CCP right now, I would assume the words in the second bolded portion would just be phrased poorly. The phrase ships which have different statistics from existing common hulls" would inspire more confidence for me if it had specifically stated that any ships offered for sale in NEX would have no combat, combat support, industrial or industrial support roles and might include such ships as shuttles with equal or lesser performance than existing shuttles, but bearing enhanced visual appearances.

My concern is having NEX selling identical warships, mining ships, haulers, etc... as are currently mined, refined, built, transported and traded within the Eve economy, thus bypassing the community and undermining the player driven market place. If the same ships will be sold in NEX, career paths could become irrevelent.

Plex does not magically provide ships out of thin air, but merely finances the pursuit of the various career paths.

Thank you, Eve and CSM, for your diligence and attention to detail in what appears to be a good first step. You have met my (me, I only represent me) concerns at this point in the rebuilding of the relationship I once enjoyed with CCP. I will uphold my word and restore my unsubs, for now. Please don't have some last minute surprise to spring on us and have this whole pile of crap stirred around again.

CCCP Supersmug
Posted - 2011.07.02 17:59:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Maplestone
CCP feels that vanity-only items are going to be important enough to invest time, tears and reputation to push through an item shop.

CSM feels vanity items are not important enough to worry about.

I find it difficult to reconcile these two opinions without one side being completely wrong.





Vanity items aren't important enough to worry about. I've called BS on all CCP's other BS but vanity items are fine. Even the price is fine. It's a terrible business model and if CCP would rather sell 100 items at 60 dollars than sell 20,000 items at 5 dollars that is up to them. If CCP wants to run a unsuccessful vanity store it doesn't affect the game.

Mirtillo
Gallente
Los Chupacabras
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:00:00 - [276]
 

Good job (I know the difference between will and is going).

Resub.

Jacob Flint
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:00:00 - [277]
 

Wait a sec... what about a hybrid buff?
I thought we've protested because Incarna didn't give them any love :o

No just kidding.
I'll resub when I'm back at home.
Thanks CSM. Thanks community. Good Job

*subliminal influence*
(buff hybrids)


Enthropic
Sturmgrenadier Inc
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:02:00 - [278]
 

Thanks CSM. I'm satisfied with the outcome.
Time to move on and enjoy the game, I'm looking forward to seeing new content for the future.

Gloria Stitz
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:02:00 - [279]
 

This is breathtaking

CCP are telling us the same lie that was told last year and you are all falling for it.

Unbelievable

Atai Pekoe
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:03:00 - [280]
 

Edited by: Atai Pekoe on 02/07/2011 18:03:33
+1 like!

poster over me: go and play anywhere else... go, fast, calm... but GO!

VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:03:00 - [281]
 

Edited by: VicturusTeSaluto on 02/07/2011 18:05:52
Amazing. CCP still trying to extinguish a fire with oxygen.


Originally by: CCP Navigator
It is CCP壮 plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store.


We knew that you lied to us before about your planned direction of the game.

Now you go out of your way to make it obvious that you are still lying?

You don't even try to say "awww shucks, our bad. we are scrapping all of our plans to sell ships, ammo, standings, skillpoints etc for real money"

You say "oh we never intended for any of that in the first place!"

Just like you had previously said that there were no plans for MT's, period. While at the same time you were planning to introduce them.

CCP Navigator


C C P
C C P Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:03:00 - [282]
 

Hello everyone,

I can see you guys are posting faster than I can read though the comments but I wanted to jump in and answer one or two of your queries. I want you to note that my answers here are not the be all and end all and, like most technical decisions, these are subject to change depending on hardware and technical requirements. I will certainly be passing on a lot of your questions to people who are much more informed on the subject and can drop by this thread early next week and provide greater clarification:

Return of ship spinning

This is something that a lot of players are curious about and what I can tell you is that we will implement a form of ship spinning but we are not returning to the old hangar view. This new variation will be similar and, while you can spin your ship, it will not be exactly how it was before. The time line for designing, testing and implementing this new variation of ship spinning has not been finalized but we will bring you more information in a future dev blog.

Minimum Specs

The minimum specifications that we display are for one client running on the lowest end machine. This means that you will be able to load Incarna at the minimum spec and play EVE Online. We are going to investigate introducing a minimum specification for players who want to run two clients in the upcoming 'ship spinning' view. What these minimum specs will be are still to be decided and, again, we will bring this to you in the form of a dev blog.

EVE Online, the future and Incarna

Some of you are concerned that EVE will focus on improvements to Incarna while Flying in Space will have a lesser focus. I can assure you that CCP Soundwave and his team have some announcements coming up after the summer which will make you very happy indeed. yes, we will improve on Incarna while at the same time improving on many aspects of Flying in Space. I have no intention of stealing the thunder from Team BFF and telling you what these are but I can tell you that there will be many happy people as a result Smile

As I said in my introduction, I just want to give you all some quick feedback and that a lot of this is based on technical limitations. I don't want to further expand on these answers as it would be much better if you heard them directly from someone who has more knowledge about it than I do.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:04:00 - [283]
 

Originally by: Gloria Stitz
This is breathtaking

CCP are telling us the same lie that was told last year and you are all falling for it.

Unbelievable


I see it like this in pokemon terms.

CCP summons CSM

CCP has CSM use Smokescreen, its super effective.



Guess Hilmar was right.


Cheroth Morachi
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:04:00 - [284]
 

Are we still talking about this? Are we so terribly cynical that we're continuing to speculate and *****? I don't expect anyone to say: "Oh mah Godz, teh CCP and CSM are teh awsome! I'm gonna buy an monocle!" but ffs, do you know what some people are looking like? Does anyone remember what happened to Old Yeller?

Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:04:00 - [285]
 

Edited by: Vladimir Ilych on 02/07/2011 18:22:59

Quote:
It is CCP壮 plan that the Noble Exchange (NeX store) will be used for the sale of vanity items only. There are no plans, and have been no plans, as per previous communication and CSM meetings, to introduce the sale of game breaking items or enhancements in the NeX store

We have been repeatedly assured that there are no plans for 組old ammo', ships which have different statistics from existing common hulls, or any other feared 組ame destroying' virtual goods or services. We have expressed our deep concern about potential grey areas that the introduction of virtual goods permits, and CCP has made a commitment to discuss any proposals that might fall into these grey areas in detail with CSM at the earliest possible stagte.



Satisfied.

SadNeX still ruins immersion for RP's though. Trousers that cost more than ships?

SerialTurd
APEX ARDENT COALITION
C0NVICTED
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:04:00 - [286]
 

Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: SerialTurd
Immediate questions were answered. As some have stated my new concern is future content.

Are we going to see more Incarna like expansions where the bulk of it is about walking in stations with little additions to space? If so, EVE will not survive.

Remember. This is all about internet space ships which are of the utmost importance. Walking in stations is at the bottom of that list and for many, not even on the list. Most could care less about it. Make sure your primary focus is and always will be the space content of Eve.

-Turd

Personally, I consider BiS (Barbie In Space) a very major thing, and I hope CCP will continue to focus on Incarna: new CQ's for the other races first, then the actual walking in station (as opposed to just walking up and down your room), etc.


Developing for Incarna could turn this game into a completely different game. Entire expansions could be done on just walking in stations and with the time needed to produce and push out an expansion plus the numbers CCP has to work on a expansion does not leave a lot of room for other parts of the space aspect of eve to be updated.

It has to be one or the other. You are either going to release a major expansion for Walking in stations or for Space. Eve is space. That's the reason we play it. If we wanted walking in stations, we can all go play The Old Republic when that comes out and you can do the /dance all you want.

EVE is about /lasers. End of story. Develop for walking if you like, but they should be minimal. Fix what's not working correctly in space first.

Marketeerer
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:04:00 - [287]
 

Edited by: Marketeerer on 02/07/2011 18:07:35
"hmm. well, alright." pretty much sums up my thoughts.

I'm satisfied enough to resub my accounts, but that will have to wait until I have replaced my burnt-out ati 5870 Crying or Very sad (thx, incarna)

Ive read and heard they will never be able to buy "gold ships" "gold ammo" "game breaking advantage" and "unfair advantage". I would have been happier with a simple "advantage" to bar wiggle room but I can hope that the proper intent is present.

Honestly, this whole thing should NOT have taken over a week plus a CSM flight to resolve. But, on the other hand, It feels like this is the most seriously the CSM has ever been taken, and perhaps this last week will in the end be a good thing, having catalyzed better CCP <-> Playerbase communications.

I Applaud the CSM for making the time for what must have been a disruptive emergency meeting and standing up for us, and I hope to applaud CCP in the future when we start seeing the results of this meeting.

A large portion of my "satisfaction" comes with the knowledge of who exactly is ON the CSM. Love him or Hate him, you cant accuse mittins of being a CCP Yes-man. > HIS < statement of satisfaction goes much further towards me accepting this than anything else I've heard, although I still KOS all goons :P

Now, we just need a name for this last week for the history books.

"The Great '11 rebellion"?
"The Monocle Riots"?

Liner Xiandra
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:05:00 - [288]
 

Bit of a weak, poorly written statement from both parties.

CSM seems a bit too easily pleased - "happy the issues are being addressed"; They should give CCP hell for releasing halfbaked expansions which need patch after patch to return functionality. But CCP seems to show no issue at all with this, and not a thank you in their statement to the overwhelming customer response they received on the forums/twitter/whatnot.


Marcus Dustor
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:05:00 - [289]
 

Kudos to CPP and CSM.

I think, in general, CCP deserves some credit for even having such a thing as the CSM for EVE.

I hope one thing to be learned from this, is that CCP should never again institute an information blackout. Worst PR ever.

When cheaper items show up in the NEX, I'll "buy" something.

Thanks to the CSM for interrupting your lives, and thanks to CCP for obviously listening to them-- AND for noticing the EVE pilots discontent.

Jacob Flint
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:05:00 - [290]
 

Originally by: Gloria Stitz
This is breathtaking

CCP are telling us the same lie that was told last year and you are all falling for it.

Unbelievable


Maybe..thats all we got.. and i do like EVE.. so I'll play it with good thoughts in my mind for some more time.
I'll respect your opinion, but if you don't mind, you could send me some of your stuff, so that I can enjoy the game even more :)
Thank you.

Heavenly Blues
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:05:00 - [291]
 

Edited by: Heavenly Blues on 02/07/2011 18:09:12
Originally by: CCP Navigator

Some of you are concerned that EVE will focus on improvements to Incarna while Flying in Space will have a lesser focus. I can assure you that CCP Soundwave and his team have some announcements coming up after the summer which will make you very happy indeed. yes, we will improve on Incarna while at the same time improving on many aspects of Flying in Space. I have no intention of stealing the thunder from Team BFF and telling you what these are but I can tell you that there will be many happy people as a result Smile




Good, then I won't even think about giving you money until after summer. No Product, no payment.


Originally by: Dirty Little Secrets
Edited by: Dirty Little Secrets on 02/07/2011 17:43:08
I was hoping for something closer to this:

"We are greedy gits that were too busy lusting over $1000 blue jeans to realize how very far off base we have become as human beings. We apologize to humanity for being so offensive and tasteless. Furthermore we are removing all Micro Transactions from this game as our loyal customers already pay a monthly fee which should encompass all content. We are freezing development of WoD and Dust so that those developer man hours can be used to maintain and fix our primary source of income as a company, EVE Online. We admit to treating our flagship product as a red headed stepchild the past few years while we were off chasing rainbows making other products.

We understand that after years of neglect and empty promises that our words mean nothing to you, so we are offering you action. All items in the NEX store will now be available free of charge and it will be renamed to the Noble Dispensary as such. The old station environment will be implemented in clients that choose to disable CQ through check box as these assets already exist and are easy to implement. Many many more Space Ship type fixes are being fast tracked, such as Super capital Balancing, Assault Frigate Bonuses and Hybrid Weapon Balancing. Once again we understand that the community is reasonably cynical towards out promises. We look forward to surprising you all with our actions."

Instead I got something that I would expect from a White House press conference.

Try Again CCP.


QFT

Smoogle
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:06:00 - [292]
 

Don't forget that the player reactions are "_very predictable_" according to Hilmar. And they watch what you do, not what you say. This could very well just be damage control, while they figure out how to slowly steer back to where they want to be. They know darn well that if they take baby steps, people won't be outraged enough to unsub, and the ripples will quiet quickly enough.

Sadly, while this email looks good on the face, I'll be surprised if CCP actually keeps to this kind of approach. They need to pay for Dust and WOD somehow, after all.

Still, feel free to surprise me, CCP. I'll be watching what you do, not what you say.

Wouldn't it be better to sell 50000 monocles at $2 than 1000 monocles at 70$? Confused

ELECTR0FREAK
Eye of God
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:06:00 - [293]
 

While I'm not entirely satisfied with the statement that there never have been any plans to introduce non-vanity NeX items (the Fearless newsletter definitely indicates that it was being debated internally even if no "plans" existed), the statement regarding future plans being for only vanity items is sufficient for me.

I'm glad, I can buy that Guristas hoodie I've been wanting to order but have avoided due to the MT controversy.

Lemming Lass
Minmatar
Lemmings Online
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:07:00 - [294]
 

Quote:
"Captain's Quarters: We discussed the hardware and lighting issues within the CQ and we were satisfied that they were being addressed. We were pleased when Torfi announced that the current "Disabled Incarna Door" will be replaced with an environment that will provide similar functionality and performance to the pre-Incarna Hangar, and this environment will be available until Incarna performance is similar to pre-Incarna performance. While the final details and timelines have not been worked out, ships will once again spin all over New Eden."



This gives me pause and I'm going to have to think a while before I re-sub my main account.

This answer does deal with performance, which is good, but it does NOT deal with the issue that there is no reason to force WiS upon every dock. According to the response, if performance can be brought to pre-Incarna level, the hanger view will go away again. This is not acceptable. I'm not angry because it's game-breaking like P2W, I'm angry because it's stupid beyond belief. Decant to grab some ammo? Really? WTF are CCP thinking? Why would a "Disembark Pod" button ever be removed? If for some reason CCP wants to make everybody at least try WiS, then implement some kind of periodic "Pilot's License Fitness Examination" requirement or somesuch that makes a pilot walk to a station-bound physician. Or something, anything that at least makes sense.

VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:07:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Gloria Stitz
This is breathtaking

CCP are telling us the same lie that was told last year and you are all falling for it.

Unbelievable


Indeed...

Fool me once, shame on you.

Fool me twice, shame on me.


Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:07:00 - [296]
 

Am I alone in requiring more specific information?

Ok, so no gold ammo and custom ships, but will there be any ammo or ships for sale in the NEX?

The blog intimates that there will be no skillpoints for Aurum (the reference to time being a more important investment than money) but will there be re-allocation of SP for cash, or remaps for cash?

I really do need those issues addressed before I decide whether to stick with Eve or call it a day.

DeftCrow Redriver
Gallente
Best Path Inc.
Cascade Imminent
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:07:00 - [297]
 

I can tell you that this is one of the moments where we look at what CCP does and less of what it says.


But it's a start. Hopefully everything comes to a peaceful resolution. (I may buy a potted tree if additional furniture gets introduced in the CQ.)

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:08:00 - [298]
 

I, for one, am satisfied.

The statements were almost as good as I had hoped, and certainly better than I'd feared. I'm overjoyed to hear that the hangar view will be returning.

I'm glad to see CCP denounce MT for power items. But to be dead honest, after the Ishikone Watch Scorpion fiasco, I trust the community to be the judge of what is "game affecting" far more than CCP or the CSM. I shall take their word for now, but I reserve the right to rage should the issue come up again in the future.

I am interested to see the dev blog on the NeX pricing model. Judging by only what we have available, it appears CCP does not understand the principles of the microtransaction payment model.

Anyway, I no longer plan to let my accounts lapse.

Mag's
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:09:00 - [299]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
Return of ship spinning

This is something that a lot of players are curious about and what I can tell you is that we will implement a form of ship spinning but we are not returning to the old hangar view. This new variation will be similar and, while you can spin your ship, it will not be exactly how it was before. The time line for designing, testing and implementing this new variation of ship spinning has not been finalized but we will bring you more information in a future dev blog.
But you missed the point entirly. We wanted the choice of when to disembark.

You've basically said, 'sure you can have spinning back, but we've left the door open so we can pull it asap.'

Isabella Thresher
Fat Kitty Inc.
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:09:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: CCP Navigator
I have no intention of stealing the thunder from Team BFF and telling you what these are but I can tell you that there will be many happy people as a result Smile


fixing lolsec? SC wins nerf? complete T2 bpo removal? or maybe a long overdue revamp of the clickfest GUI?
oh, the dreams....


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