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Kirkland Langue
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:26:00 - [61]
 

I don't think that the OP understands what a Troll is. In fact, the kumbaya crowd have been far more trollish on the forums than those who have been voicing concerns.

In fact, I can't think of any reason the kumbaya crowd would even post EXCEPT to troll about the issue. If you are happy with the direction EVE is going, and the state of play in EVE, shouldn't you be logged in mining or some crap?

As for whatevertheheck mitani twits - who cares? mitani went into the discussions believing that it was only CCP communications problems. Think about how telling such a belief is. If he did NOT know about the MTs before, but was still able to say that it is just communications problems before he even knew the extent of CCP planning... especially after the leaks which explicitly state that CCP will go to game affecting MTs, then that just means that Mitani supports "gold ammo" regardless of what he says publicly. On the other hand, if he did know the extent of CCP planning, before the summit, then that means that this entire issue was manufactured. It means that the "emergency meeting" was planned some weeks in advance. It means that the "leaked" emails were intentionally leaked... and that CCP is intentionally trolling us for the purposes of generating press and getting people to talk about $70 monocle instead of the lack of content in recent patches.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:28:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Calden De'Altos
Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 02/07/2011 15:27:20
Just wanna point out a few things:

Being a journalist, the thing we are all taught is to check our facts. In other words, facts need to have multiple sources. Looking back at this, all the information was disciminated from Eve 24. If this was a true whistle-blower, then there would have been other new sources that wound up with the information. The fact Eve 24 was the one breaking all the news has me a bit suspect.

That being said, if this is all an elaborate smoke screen, and they do go through with "pay-to-win" items in the future, they have seen the player base's reaction. They know what to expect now. If they go through with it, its just time to move on. I know I will. I mean, you can pretty much call them liars at that point if they do go through with it. Until then, enjoy the game. There is really no point to keep spending your $15 to riot while you could be enjoying the game for what it was intended.



In my day, journalists were taught how to spell, too.

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:32:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Kalle Demos
Edited by: Kalle Demos on 02/07/2011 15:25:40
Originally by: Ban Doga
Edited by: Ban Doga on 02/07/2011 15:23:13
Originally by: Kalle Demos
Edited by: Kalle Demos on 02/07/2011 15:15:30
OH MY GOD! YOU MEAN ALL THIS TIME A PUBLIC / OPEN NEWSLETTER TURNED OUT TO BE IRRELEVANT :SHOCKING:

Like I said before, I bet all the whiners believe in the illuminati and think a giant eyeball / triangle are taking over the world

Now can we PLEASE go back to whining about supercaps, geez


I'm sure CCP thinks that newsletter is irrelevant (That's a nice statement: Our internal newsletter is a waste. Please ignore it while we continue to spend resources on it).

But (un)fortunately they don't get to decide what is relevant to me or anyone else.

EDIT: Oh and who keeps you from whining about supercaps?!


"One thread makes its a troll, 10k threads makes it a protest"


"One cancelled account causes laughter, 6000 cancelled accounts cause people to have hangovers in Iceland"

Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:34:00 - [64]
 

We've already told you what the truth is, stop wasting time trying to confuse us with facts.


Meridian Siri
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:35:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Cordran Li
Originally by: Yarrrrrhh
Originally by: Lina Thamaris
It was clear from the start that it was all a ****storm about nothing.

Nothing CCP did or said suggested otherwise. All good, keep calm and keep pewing.
Two unsubbed accounts and two sold toons paying for the last previously subbed one says otherwise. I also gave about 6bn ISK away to make sure other people wouldn't be buying game time with real money in the next months to hurt CCPs cash flow.
Concurrency numbers show that the 'meh, makes no difference' people are wrong.


CCP still gets money for plex bought with ISK. You must be smart.


He is apparently smarter than you. CCP GOT money (past tense) for the PLEX at an earlier time. Redeeming them for ingame time is, in fact, the equivalent of not paying CCP your sub in cash. Which is probably why the author said "cash flow" rather than "total income".

Quartex
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:36:00 - [66]
 

Do not jump through the gate guys. Hooold on the gate..

Before you tear into yet more fresh, red, forum meat stop a second and think about what you want from the CSM/Dev meeting..

1. Going into the meeting What is the best outcome that you would expect to get if you were the Chair of the CSM?
2. What is the worst outcome that you would expect, that would ruin the game for you and mean you have to leave?
3. What is the thing that if left un-said, will rot away and eat up your feelings about CCP and the game, make you fall out of love with Eve and leave you no option other than to leave because you're not having any fun and feel betrayed?

Now if you answer these honestly, you'll be ready to read the actual post that is made by CCP Fallout in the next few days and you'll be ready to watch Mittani and CCP talking through the issues on video.

If you already feel like point 3 and believe there is no way back for you then un-subscribe and gtfo.Hanging about in the forums is like someone who has been made redundant but still turns up to sit in the car park. HTFU.

The CSM had everything at their fingertips that concerned the player base but they will have had to have prioritised what to address. Some things may have been put on the agenda for the next meeting.So long as these things were at the end of your list then cool. Some issues raised run contrary to the direction that CCP wants to go with the game and they MUST be honest about those things they WILL NOT CHANGE.. no more fudge, or appeasement.. say it.

The bottom line is that if you want to continue playing Eve then you need to stay subcribed and supporting the Company. We have been given an insight into the difficulties a company and its senior employees has in growing up.We've read feedback from ex employees. We've been given an insight into the Company's financial health and some idea of the imperatives that Hilmar and the guys need to address by the end of this year to remain in business and CCP have been reminded that their wonderful customers are a determined bunch, who are extremely creative and supportive of one another.

My plea is to resist the temptation to seek yet more drama through conspiracies and focus on the few big things that really matter to you. Is it any wonder Hilmar asked his teams to watch what we did rather than what we said .. we say so much!




Tali Ambraelle
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:37:00 - [67]
 

I seriously hope you whining screaming *****ing little ****s have your computers melted by Incarna before it gets fixed.

Seriously, what the **** more do you need? Why do you ****ing look for something to criticize at every turn? Are you like this in the real world? For ****s sake. Get OVER YOURSELF. They had the summit, they did their crap, what do you want? No more NeX at all? No more Incarna? Guess what, it's already been stated IT ISN'T HAPPENING AND THAT THEY ARE HERE TO STAY YOU ****ING NIT WITS. All you people do is ***** whine, complain, and scream on the forums about how CCP sucks. Guess what, it's not helping anything and you won't get your way.

I am ****ing sick and tired of people *****ing no matter what gets done.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW EVE IS GOING, GET THE **** OUT! YOU DON'T CONTROL WHERE IT GOES!

Now stop whining and either play Eve or play something else. Just please shut UP about this whole incident! It's all I see being talked about now everywhere and it's ****ing annoying.

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:40:00 - [68]
 

The dev alts are getting mad.

Sujanra Acoma
Minmatar
Shadow Kitty Legion
Rura-Penthe
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:41:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
tl;dr I am a binge drinker with lots of super secret connections and everything's ok, trust me. Fearless spawned randomly, nobody at CCP actually wrote it. If you think otherwise, you're a conspiracy theorist. I won the war, yay me.

Until now, I didn't give a rat's ass one way or the other about this punk. But seriously, it's time for this CSM to go. Arrogant, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.


Well, you've got two out of three already. Being drunk as well would actually help excuse your terrible posting.

Othran
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:41:00 - [70]
 

Originally by: Tali Ambraelle
I seriously hope you whining screaming *****ing little ****s have your computers melted by Incarna before it gets fixed.

Seriously, what the **** more do you need? Why do you ****ing look for something to criticize at every turn? Are you like this in the real world? For ****s sake. Get OVER YOURSELF. They had the summit, they did their crap, what do you want? No more NeX at all? No more Incarna? Guess what, it's already been stated IT ISN'T HAPPENING AND THAT THEY ARE HERE TO STAY YOU ****ING NIT WITS. All you people do is ***** whine, complain, and scream on the forums about how CCP sucks. Guess what, it's not helping anything and you won't get your way.

I am ****ing sick and tired of people *****ing no matter what gets done.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW EVE IS GOING, GET THE **** OUT! YOU DON'T CONTROL WHERE IT GOES!

Now stop whining and either play Eve or play something else. Just please shut UP about this whole incident! It's all I see being talked about now everywhere and it's ****ing annoying.


Says the moron posting instead of playing Rolling Eyes

Troll on.

Goodwill City
Amarr
The Society of Goodwill
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:41:00 - [71]
 

Originally by: Tali Ambraelle
I seriously hope you whining screaming *****ing little ****s have your computers melted by Incarna before it gets fixed.

Seriously, what the **** more do you need? Why do you ****ing look for something to criticize at every turn? Are you like this in the real world? For ****s sake. Get OVER YOURSELF. They had the summit, they did their crap, what do you want? No more NeX at all? No more Incarna? Guess what, it's already been stated IT ISN'T HAPPENING AND THAT THEY ARE HERE TO STAY YOU ****ING NIT WITS. All you people do is ***** whine, complain, and scream on the forums about how CCP sucks. Guess what, it's not helping anything and you won't get your way.

I am ****ing sick and tired of people *****ing no matter what gets done.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW EVE IS GOING, GET THE **** OUT! YOU DON'T CONTROL WHERE IT GOES!

Now stop whining and either play Eve or play something else. Just please shut UP about this whole incident! It's all I see being talked about now everywhere and it's ****ing annoying.

Holy cow someone has severe anger issues

Ban Doga
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:42:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Tali Ambraelle
I seriously hope you whining screaming *****ing little ****s have your computers melted by Incarna before it gets fixed.

Seriously, what the **** more do you need? Why do you ****ing look for something to criticize at every turn? Are you like this in the real world? For ****s sake. Get OVER YOURSELF. They had the summit, they did their crap, what do you want? No more NeX at all? No more Incarna? Guess what, it's already been stated IT ISN'T HAPPENING AND THAT THEY ARE HERE TO STAY YOU ****ING NIT WITS. All you people do is ***** whine, complain, and scream on the forums about how CCP sucks. Guess what, it's not helping anything and you won't get your way.

I am ****ing sick and tired of people *****ing no matter what gets done.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW EVE IS GOING, GET THE **** OUT! YOU DON'T CONTROL WHERE IT GOES!

Now stop whining and either play Eve or play something else. Just please shut UP about this whole incident! It's all I see being talked about now everywhere and it's ****ing annoying.


I bet you're looking cute when you rage like that...

Kile Kitmoore
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:42:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Kile Kitmoore on 02/07/2011 15:43:04
Interesting read, thanks for the post OP.

Every individual has to either trust what they are saying or not, if you don't then find an MMO that makes you feel comfortable. A few years back I made that decision in another MMO and I am glad I did. Please don't take that as, drink the Kool-Aid or GTFO. Myself, waiting for the statements and go from there.

If you don't think that NEX is important to CCP you are kidding yourself, I suggest people review the AT9 interviews. A WHOLE lot of talking about the "store". Here is one of my favorites.

CCP Hammer AT9 - NEX Store

Here is CCP Hammer, on vacation but when he returns it's off to work on the store. Think of all the other places the game could use him but I guess the store is more pressing.

Skex Relbore
Gallente
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:53:00 - [74]
 

Edited by: Skex Relbore on 02/07/2011 15:56:39
Originally by: Calden De'Altos


Being a journalist, the thing we are all taught is to check our facts. In other words, facts need to have multiple sources. Looking back at this, all the information was disciminated from Eve 24. If this was a true whistle-blower, then there would have been other new sources that wound up with the information. The fact Eve 24 was the one breaking all the news has me a bit suspect.





The fact that CCP confirmed that the document is legitimate invalidates your argument.

Right now they're just trying to spin it and walk it back. My hope is they are going to put those plans on hold based on player reaction and depending on what the actual cancellation metrics were it may put Pay to Win on the back burner for some time. Like I said that's my hope only time will tell.

This is a case of everyone knows they are liars they're just trying to spin it enough to save face as they walk back from the precipice.

Stealth edit:
Which btw I'm ok with as long as they walk it back, everyone makes mistakes and complete confession is less important than the game continuing to exist minus non-vanity cash shops.

Mister Smithington
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:54:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Mister Smithington on 02/07/2011 16:14:42
Let's assume for a minute that Fearless actually is company garbage. Let's assume it's just bull**** PR that gets circulated around the office.

Even if that is the case, Somebody thought the topic of microtransactions for game affecting items was worth printing a bunch of copies. Even if we take CCP at their word that Fearless is meant to be a discussion piece (and if you really think it reads like a discussion, you're probably an avid viewer of either Fox or MSNBC), the question becomes Why were they discussing it in the first place?

Edit:
Originally by: Calden De'Altos

Being a journalist, the thing we are all taught is to check our facts. In other words, facts need to have multiple sources. Looking back at this, all the information was disciminated from Eve 24.


Who did you expect to break the story? The Wall Street Journal? Look around man, we're not exactly flooded with Eve-related media outlets. Let's be thankful that there are any alternatives to CCP's PR department.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.07.02 15:57:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: RAW23

Get with the times old man. We did that decades ago. The current fun game is working out how we're ****ing with you now that we do control the world.


Shhhh. You forgot to read the memo from David, next year we tell them, next year not this year. Rolling Eyes BTW, see ya at the Tri-Lat picnic. Hope they get a different band this time.

Michelear
Amarr
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:00:00 - [77]
 

All you naysayers are complete idiots. You're simply ragers in RL, and now you're taking out your bottled up nerd rage on CCP because they made some bad choices with how to handle this bad luck. Microtransactions will never be pay-to-win, and when all you "quitters" (Who most of aren't actually quitting) see that, you'll realize what jackasses you are.

Good luck with the ladies, idiots.

Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:00:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Calden De'Altos
Edited by: Calden De''Altos on 02/07/2011 15:27:20
Just wanna point out a few things:

Being a journalist, the thing we are all taught is to check our facts. In other words, facts need to have multiple sources. Looking back at this, all the information was disciminated from Eve 24. If this was a true whistle-blower, then there would have been other new sources that wound up with the information. The fact Eve 24 was the one breaking all the news has me a bit suspect.

That being said, if this is all an elaborate smoke screen, and they do go through with "pay-to-win" items in the future, they have seen the player base's reaction. They know what to expect now. If they go through with it, its just time to move on. I know I will. I mean, you can pretty much call them liars at that point if they do go through with it. Until then, enjoy the game. There is really no point to keep spending your $15 to riot while you could be enjoying the game for what it was intended.



The "Fearless" newsletter has been corroborated from multiple sources. Including CCP.
Allegedly the Hilmar letter leaked from the same source as the newsletter.

Hustler Funk
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:07:00 - [79]
 

Originally by: Tali Ambraelle
I seriously hope you whining screaming *****ing little ****s have your computers melted by Incarna before it gets fixed.

Seriously, what the **** more do you need? Why do you ****ing look for something to criticize at every turn? Are you like this in the real world? For ****s sake. Get OVER YOURSELF. They had the summit, they did their crap, what do you want? No more NeX at all? No more Incarna? Guess what, it's already been stated IT ISN'T HAPPENING AND THAT THEY ARE HERE TO STAY YOU ****ING NIT WITS. All you people do is ***** whine, complain, and scream on the forums about how CCP sucks. Guess what, it's not helping anything and you won't get your way.

I am ****ing sick and tired of people *****ing no matter what gets done.

IF YOU DON'T LIKE HOW EVE IS GOING, GET THE **** OUT! YOU DON'T CONTROL WHERE IT GOES!

Now stop whining and either play Eve or play something else. Just please shut UP about this whole incident! It's all I see being talked about now everywhere and it's ****ing annoying.


Shut it Tali.

Valari Nala Zena
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:17:00 - [80]
 

Originally by: Onyx Blackman
Originally by: AkJon Ferguson
The dev alts are thick in here.


You should stop posting. You are very bad at it.


Good posting on the EVE Online forums? You gotta be kidding me.

Nilania Telshua
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:32:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 02/07/2011 16:31:58

Fearless is the internal newsletter of CCP
it is produced, printed and distributed a few times per year.

It is an instrument of internal communication.

In many European countries, internal newspapers are seen one of its key instruments.

Istruments are used with a specific intention.

Facilitating a consensus about the goals of an organisation, organisational integrity is the task of internal communication.

If a central instrument of internal communications is used to further the acceptance of a specific strategy in an organisation,
that use expresses its importance at least to the management.

Every other claim is just silly or a confession of utter incompetence.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:42:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: mittani

Nevermind those leaked memos


Ranger 1
Amarr
Ranger Corp
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:49:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Nilania Telshua
Edited by: Nilania Telshua on 02/07/2011 16:31:58

Fearless is the internal newsletter of CCP
it is produced, printed and distributed a few times per year.

It is an instrument of internal communication.

In many European countries, internal newspapers are seen one of its key instruments.

Istruments are used with a specific intention.

Facilitating a consensus about the goals of an organisation, organisational integrity is the task of internal communication.

If a central instrument of internal communications is used to further the acceptance of a specific strategy in an organisation,
that use expresses its importance at least to the management.

Every other claim is just silly or a confession of utter incompetence.


Quote:

We've already told you what the truth is, stop wasting time trying to confuse us with facts.



Arias Dren
Posted - 2011.07.02 16:55:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Othran
"Fearless" is like every other company internal newsletter/team briefing.

Its intended to tell the employee where the company is going in terms of general strategy.

It is toilet reading for most employees. It is gospel for most senior managers though.

Fearless reads like "this is the plan guys, going to be :awesome: now get onboard".

Mittens is spinning Neutral

Feng Dorock
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:10:00 - [85]
 

The legitimacy of the "facts" really came into question after following Eve 24 news's twitter feed this week. It really seems like they were trying to feed fuel to the fire, and anyone that doesn't see that really nothing is going to appease. As for the summit i am quite happy with the results that have been feed to the public so far, like come on folks "NO GOLD AMMO". And For thous of you still whining and complaining grow up or go play wow where they take kids like you.

Zen Sarum
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:29:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: Sasha Whorlita


"No one in CCP gives a **** about Fearless, it's toilet reading. Sorry. It looks controversial as hell to players but it's ****. This is where a bunch of you are going to cry and clutch your favorite conspiracy theories, but you don't know what you're talking about. The significance of Greed is Good, ofc, is the leak, the botched handling of the messaging afterwards, the Angryblog, etc. But the newsletter itself is just company garbage, the same crap most companies have. "

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?2614-Mittani-s-CSM-Twitter-Updates&p=137331&viewfull=1#post137331


If my company produced an internal newsletter that rubbed customers faces in it.. it certainly wouldn't have any customers and hence it wouldn't be a multi-billion market leader. This kind of unprofessional moronic 'crap' has no place in a real company even if it is just a company that 'just runs some old game, so it can fund terrible new games'.


Mister Builder
SSI-Holding's
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:32:00 - [87]
 

figures ccp caves in yet again to the allaince control csm

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:33:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: jackaloped on 02/07/2011 18:34:00
Originally by: Zen Sarum
Originally by: Sasha Whorlita


"No one in CCP gives a **** about Fearless, it's toilet reading. Sorry. It looks controversial as hell to players but it's ****. This is where a bunch of you are going to cry and clutch your favorite conspiracy theories, but you don't know what you're talking about. The significance of Greed is Good, ofc, is the leak, the botched handling of the messaging afterwards, the Angryblog, etc. But the newsletter itself is just company garbage, the same crap most companies have. "

http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?2614-Mittani-s-CSM-Twitter-Updates&p=137331&viewfull=1#post137331


If my company produced an internal newsletter that rubbed customers faces in it.. it certainly wouldn't have any customers and hence it wouldn't be a multi-billion market leader. This kind of unprofessional moronic 'crap' has no place in a real company even if it is just a company that 'just runs some old game, so it can fund terrible new games'.





Hey Don't make Mittani tell you again. NEVERMIND THOSE LEAKED MEMOS!

Namak Bulu
Gallente
Villore Regional Industries
Posted - 2011.07.02 18:41:00 - [89]
 

Finally!! Someone who hasn't lost their head.

Originally by: Quartex
Do not jump through the gate guys. Hooold on the gate..

Before you tear into yet more fresh, red, forum meat stop a second and think about what you want from the CSM/Dev meeting..

1. Going into the meeting What is the best outcome that you would expect to get if you were the Chair of the CSM?
2. What is the worst outcome that you would expect, that would ruin the game for you and mean you have to leave?
3. What is the thing that if left un-said, will rot away and eat up your feelings about CCP and the game, make you fall out of love with Eve and leave you no option other than to leave because you're not having any fun and feel betrayed?

Now if you answer these honestly, you'll be ready to read the actual post that is made by CCP Fallout in the next few days and you'll be ready to watch Mittani and CCP talking through the issues on video.

If you already feel like point 3 and believe there is no way back for you then un-subscribe and gtfo.Hanging about in the forums is like someone who has been made redundant but still turns up to sit in the car park. HTFU.

The CSM had everything at their fingertips that concerned the player base but they will have had to have prioritised what to address. Some things may have been put on the agenda for the next meeting.So long as these things were at the end of your list then cool. Some issues raised run contrary to the direction that CCP wants to go with the game and they MUST be honest about those things they WILL NOT CHANGE.. no more fudge, or appeasement.. say it.

The bottom line is that if you want to continue playing Eve then you need to stay subcribed and supporting the Company. We have been given an insight into the difficulties a company and its senior employees has in growing up.We've read feedback from ex employees. We've been given an insight into the Company's financial health and some idea of the imperatives that Hilmar and the guys need to address by the end of this year to remain in business and CCP have been reminded that their wonderful customers are a determined bunch, who are extremely creative and supportive of one another.

My plea is to resist the temptation to seek yet more drama through conspiracies and focus on the few big things that really matter to you. Is it any wonder Hilmar asked his teams to watch what we did rather than what we said .. we say so much!





Marcus Vorenius
Caldari
Task Force 42
Posted - 2011.07.02 19:05:00 - [90]
 

Originally by: Namak Bulu
Finally!! Someone who hasn't lost their head.
/snip



Good post indeed - I would really have liked to see THREE agenda items only, something that there could be a general consensus on from the community. If we got one of them I would be a happy bunny. CCP is going full steam ahead and there is nothing we can do to stop it. I hope we get some good news, but I doubt it - they wil not change their mind on the core issue e.g. non-vanity, disembark button and <insert your favourite issue>.

One of the articles read: "If one of the parties lose - no one wins"

We lost when the CSM opened the option for discussing MT (yeah, yeah we KNOW that PLEX is MT, but this is different)


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