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Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.01 21:54:00 - [271]
 

Originally by: clbo
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
Originally by: Ranger 1
Originally by: Govinda Sertan
Edited by: Govinda Sertan on 01/07/2011 20:08:43

The statement should have been released before you all went barhopping tonight.




Because our CSM delegates are qualified to act as translators. SLACKERS!!!


if you play EVE ONLINE you must able to read and speak ENGLISH (also if you arent native).
We dont care about localization in german and russian, we dont care about video of mittens and zulu doing a 69.


We is actually just you, and that's something I don't care about. As long as there's morons like you eve will pull trough no matter what.

Is Kendra mocking? I'm having a hard time telling. Because, really, there are surely a large player base who play the game, and read the blogs, in German or Russian only, if they bother to have those language options in the game at all.

Silas Cooper
Posted - 2011.07.01 21:54:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: clbo
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
if you play EVE ONLINE you must able to read and speak ENGLISH (also if you arent native).
We dont care about localization in german and russian, we dont care about video of mittens and zulu doing a 69.



We is actually just you, and that's something I don't care about. As long as there's morons like you eve will pull trough no matter what.


Actually, it's me as well.

cBOLTSON
Star Frontiers
Posted - 2011.07.01 21:55:00 - [273]
 

This whole thing is a total load of *******s, lets be honest now people. lol

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.01 21:56:00 - [274]
 

Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 01/07/2011 21:57:28
Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
And if that's your stance, why are you still here?


Because, like thousands of other players, I'm not 100 percent certain where EVE is headed or whether what CCP says can be taken at face value. And if CCP does end up going ahead with MT plans, I'll have to wait and see exactly what they have in mind to see whether I can live with the changes or not.

So I will wait and listen to what they have to say.

Understood, then. I apologize for my tone. I've just seen too much of this rabble. I should probably stop reading the forums.

Carry on, then. (BTW: still waiting on the statement, but I'm going to play stuff until tomorrow afternoon (UTC)/morning (my time))

centurion zulu
Phantom Squad
Atlas.
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:01:00 - [275]
 


Are there any other CSM's posting somewhere. Or has this guy been elected as GOD of the
CSM's.


Thorn Galen
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:03:00 - [276]
 

Vandrion, I think you have it exactly right :

Quote:

Dev Blog/Statement:

It is very easy to answer either yes or no.... That is not the answer we are going to get. CCP's answer will be BOTH yes and no.

Here is the NO:

No we won't see WTFBBQPWN Jovian BS that can take down PL's entire SC fleet solo
No we won't see ammo that gives 5000% bonus to damage and hits for wrecking damage every time
No we won't see mods that give you a 99% bonus to resist

In other words the NO means we won't get super obvious game breakers....

Here is the YES:

Yes we will be able to buy faction standings
Yes we will see ammo that gives you a slight bonus to damage or cap usage
Yes we will see faction towers reintroduced via the Nex
Yes we will see attribute boosters and skill enhancers like Quafe Zero

Now you see why it is taking time to make the statement... CCP has to spin it in an acceptable manner so 50% of the subscribers don't rage quit.....



I see it exactly that way, it's a compromise that will make some of the people happy, some of the time. However, a good deal of people will not be able to come to terms with the compromise and that is when the fit is going to hit the shan.

Cheers,
Thorn Galen.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:10:00 - [277]
 

Originally by: centurion zulu

Are there any other CSM's posting somewhere. Or has this guy been elected as GOD of the
CSM's.

I think he's the only one that bothers to log into the forums- HOWEVER there's plenty of them tweeting on twitter. SOL if you're not watching #tweetfleet or #csm6 hashtags on Twitter, sadly.


Kendra Wilkinson
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:11:00 - [278]
 

Edited by: Kendra Wilkinson on 01/07/2011 22:12:28
Originally by: Silas Cooper
Originally by: clbo
Originally by: Kendra Wilkinson
if you play EVE ONLINE you must able to read and speak ENGLISH (also if you arent native).
We dont care about localization in german and russian, we dont care about video of mittens and zulu doing a 69.



We is actually just you, and that's something I don't care about. As long as there's morons like you eve will pull trough no matter what.

Actually, it's me as well.

so we are at least 2, i can say WE Laughing (but i'm sure we are really more than 2)



Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:26:00 - [279]
 

I can understand the wait. It takes time to properly disguise the truth.

Enaria Ferenic
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:29:00 - [280]
 

Edited by: Enaria Ferenic on 01/07/2011 22:29:51
Originally by: Ben Derindar
I can understand the wait. It takes time to properly disguise the truth.



^^This, and check out the server stats, 38,000 people loged in, a tad low for a Friday night don't you think?

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:30:00 - [281]
 

Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 01/07/2011 22:31:40
http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/themonkman/~ESjvy
Originally by: themonkman
#tweetfleet Jesus H. Christ! Reading for forums makes me want to shoot myself in the face right now. I honestly would NOT want the CSM's job right now. Most of us are mad about something that hasn't even happened yet (RE: Gold Ammo/ships/ponies) and a couple bungled and insulting messages from CCP. All we have right now is some bugs, which what game doesn't have, and an overpriced store with crap you don't even need to buy or probably even want. Regardless of whether you think the CSM is taken seriously or make any difference, count the MMO's out there that actually have some form of elected representatives that the parent company even slightly acknowledges, much less is willing to fly them out to appease the userbase. Or hell, even one that they fly out just to blow smoke up their asses. I can't think of one. Can you? I can't. So let's CTFD, wait for the finalized results, and freak out when it's all clear as to whats happening rather than being like those crazy ****ers who claimed the world was going to end on May 21st. And for ****s sake, try to hold out a little hope. The cynicm is killing me, and I'm a certified cynic!

Just something I saw earlier today I thought I'd share here... not like it'll make any g-d damn difference.

Jul1a
Tycho Magnetic Anomaly
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:33:00 - [282]
 

It is rather simple now.

CSM tell us what we want to hear or they dont.

Delaying AGAIN means that there is a perceived middle ground.

Enjoy your 5* hotel etc tonight but tommorow you will be judged

Drauqhk Shathet
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:44:00 - [283]
 

Why is it so hard to release a yes or no statement? Because they know we don't want to hear the answer so they have to figure out a way to make us swallow it.

The way I see it is that CCP is convinced that MT (and yes that absolutely means pay to win) is the way to go, on top of subscriptions and with very high real currency prices. They likely have graphs and charts and data galore from other games indicating that more money can be made that way, despite subscriber churn. CCP probably has data from within Eve itself that can be spun to show that no matter what we all might think, we really all want MT.

Will there be non-vanity MT? - yes
Will we get always optional CQ? - no
Will we get ship spinning (and right click menu access to ship functions)? - no
Will there be fixes to current issues and continuing development work on Eve? - yes, but slower than the pace you are used to.
Will revenue from Eve players be diverted to work on projects that will in no way benefit Eve players? - absolutely
Will the prices of NeX items be brought down to where a majority of Eve players can buy them? - no

These are the answers we will get, the tricky part is CSM helping CCP figure out a way to tell them to us without so many of us leaving that the remainder of the game is no longer fun to play for the paying customers - which isn't us. Pay to win players have to have people to win against, or they just leave without spending all they have.

I think CCP will never consider any other answers because they care more about potential future revenue than current paying players. I for one am willing to pay double my current subscription rate, but I don't think that has ever been considered let alone discussed.

Richard Koslinsky
Posted - 2011.07.01 22:52:00 - [284]
 

Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
Edited by: Alejan Gerakh on 01/07/2011 22:31:40
http://www.tweetdeck.com/twitter/themonkman/~ESjvy
Originally by: themonkman
#tweetfleet Jesus H. Christ! Reading for forums makes me want to shoot myself in the face right now. I honestly would NOT want the CSM's job right now. Most of us are mad about something that hasn't even happened yet (RE: Gold Ammo/ships/ponies) and a couple bungled and insulting messages from CCP. All we have right now is some bugs, which what game doesn't have, and an overpriced store with crap you don't even need to buy or probably even want. Regardless of whether you think the CSM is taken seriously or make any difference, count the MMO's out there that actually have some form of elected representatives that the parent company even slightly acknowledges, much less is willing to fly them out to appease the userbase. Or hell, even one that they fly out just to blow smoke up their asses. I can't think of one. Can you? I can't. So let's CTFD, wait for the finalized results, and freak out when it's all clear as to whats happening rather than being like those crazy ****ers who claimed the world was going to end on May 21st. And for ****s sake, try to hold out a little hope. The cynicm is killing me, and I'm a certified cynic!

Just something I saw earlier today I thought I'd share here... not like it'll make any g-d damn difference.


To the guy who wrote that, we are freaking out now because it hasn't been implemented just to give CCP a taste of what would come AFTER it is implemented, and give them some pause. They already lost at least $75k a month of income with the guys who have left already. Just imagine how much worse it will be when they actually would implement it? I certainly don't see them making more than $75k a month from the NeX store, which means they already have a net loss of income on top of the development costs that they wasted into this.

Tector
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:14:00 - [285]
 

Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
And if that's your stance, why are you still here?


Because, like thousands of other players, I'm not 100 percent certain where EVE is headed or whether what CCP says can be taken at face value. And if CCP does end up going ahead with MT plans, I'll have to wait and see exactly what they have in mind to see whether I can live with the changes or not.

So I will wait and listen to what they have to say.


What the hell is this, a reasonable and considered response on these forums? Something's not right here.

Karlos Zhang
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:16:00 - [286]
 

Edited by: Karlos Zhang on 01/07/2011 23:20:32
Does a person have the right to take another persons life = will there ever be game effecting MT in eve
youtube vid that cracks me up

Tector
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:18:00 - [287]
 

Originally by: Koba Kyogen
Originally by: Mitchello
Isn't it remarkable how the attention has been deflected towards CSM as instrument of CCP?

Worth thinking about, twice even, when you rage at a CSM which in spite of its self inflicted powerless start did pick up the gauntlet when it was thrown.

Truth be told, it's remarkable. They went there, at short notice, across timezones, and did the equivalent of a high level consultancy job

Now, flame away Cool




They were late off the jump. Practically dragged into the fracas because people started to question their leadership.

Also - you make it sound like they personally built a boat and sailed to Iceland, appearing unannounced and angry!

I don't think a coach class ticket and scheduled dining counts as a rough time. Hence, the super rage.


CSM = That dog won't hunt.



Koba




Do you have a point other than the fact that the CSM got to fly somewhere and get fed while you didn't?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:19:00 - [288]
 

The question we have all been waiting for has been answered:

























































Trebor_CSM Robert Woodhead
CSM trivia: Mittens likes his coffee like he likes his men -- tall strong and black. #csm6 #tweetfleet

Azerick Koslova
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:22:00 - [289]
 

I don't think the CSM is ****ing off, really. I think they have lost the sense of urgency the rest of us are still feeling to get this resolved so we can move on. I don't know where all these nonsense accusations and assumptions are coming from...did you expect them to sit in their rooms with their hands folded neatly in their laps all damn night? They took time out of their schedule to go do this and everybody's jumping off the deep end without really knowing anything.

That said...This wait is INTOLERABLE but it might have been made somewhat tolerable if you'd have just told us WHEN to expect the statement!

I'd also like to say that no matter how you personally feel about Game Changing MT - I feel like every time someone relents to the notion that it's a given at this point and we just have to wait and see how bad it is is like a nail in the coffin. I can see CCP now, "Oh look...there's another person we've already gotten to accept it...see...they're swallowing it...we just had to wait them out!"

I DO NOT accept this as a given and nobody else should either.

I'll wait and see like everybody else but what the hell choice do we have?

Tanya Fox
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:23:00 - [290]
 

Originally by: Clavian Voi
Originally by: Alejan Gerakh
And if that's your stance, why are you still here?


Because, like thousands of other players, I'm not 100 percent certain where EVE is headed or whether what CCP says can be taken at face value. And if CCP does end up going ahead with MT plans, I'll have to wait and see exactly what they have in mind to see whether I can live with the changes or not.

So I will wait and listen to what they have to say.



Exactly why I'm still here.

Mind you the forums are getting boring as all it is, is the same stuff regurgitated over and over for the most part.

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:24:00 - [291]
 

hahahahaha!

No Statement today. Oh that is just too good.

People who make excuse after excuse after excuse for CCP and EVE have their <3 eyes on and cant see the truth in front of their faces.

Get ready for some Epic Spin, some more lies, and CCP feeding you yet another spoonful of sh*t and telling you its actually Chocolate Mouse, you just have to roll it around on your tongue a little longer and think about it some more.

So glad I cancelled my accounts.

Skogen Gump
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:24:00 - [292]
 

CCP Fallout tweeted earlier that the statements could come on Saturday afternoon.

CCP Loxy is sorting the Video out, CCP Navigator is transcribing it and that transcription will be translated for a simultaneous release of all materials in all 3 supported languages.

TripodAl
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:26:00 - [293]
 

Its not hard

Pay to win = yes / no


Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.

The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.

You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.

Thanks,
Trebor

Stephanie Rose
Nos Exigo Effercio
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:27:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: Mithrasith

CCP feeding you yet another spoonful of sh*t and telling you its actually Chocolate Mouse, you just have to roll it around on your tongue a little longer and think about it some more.



Thats sounds like a 2 girls 1 cup flashback ...

Kalmanaka
Caldari
Eve Engineering Operations
Eve Engineering
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:28:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Mithrasith
hahahahaha!

No Statement today. Oh that is just too good.

People who make excuse after excuse after excuse for CCP and EVE have their <3 eyes on and cant see the truth in front of their faces.

Get ready for some Epic Spin, some more lies, and CCP feeding you yet another spoonful of sh*t and telling you its actually Chocolate Mouse, you just have to roll it around on your tongue a little longer and think about it some more.

So glad I cancelled my accounts.

No facts are out yet. There is no truth in front of anyone. Thank god this game is rid of arrogant, deluded, hallucinating idiots like you.

Mithrasith
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:31:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: TripodAl
Its not hard

Pay to win = yes / no


Originally by: Trebor Daehdoow
Folks, I am writing from my iPad in a cafe so please excuse my brevity.

The statements will be out as soon as possible. A component of the current rage has been caused by communications errors by CCP, and demanding a rushed out statement is just asking them to repeat that mistake.

You want clear statements. Clear statements take a little extra time. I know you are all anxious to hear the results, but please cut the CSM (and CCP) a little slack here.

Thanks,
Trebor



LOL - this tells you the CSM's stance already "Communication Errors"

They are NOT communication errors - and we all know it.
*CCP diverts funds from fixing EVE issues for the last two years to fund other development projects
*CCP uses funds from our subs to put new shiney's in despite the communities request to NOT ad them anymore, and to fix old issues - why? to get more subs for more revenue
*CCP is going broke spending all of its cash on other projects so they can have yet more revenue streams b/c apparently EVE isnt good enough for them
*CCP calls the EVE player base a "Golden Goose" - like we're some love struck sugar daddy that will perpetually pay CCP's bills while they roll out one load of crap after another to us that WE DONT WANT
*CCP doesnt listen to their player base and makes CQ Mandatory so that we can play their MT game
*CCP has clearly indicated that they want MORE REVENUE from their golden goose so they can pay for other projects, and charge $1000 for a pair of Jeans and $70 for a pair of Monocoles, and then Zulu has the Audicity to tell the players that WE have the issue

WTF Is wrong with you CSM? That isnt a communication problem, that is CLEARLY an attitude problem in the company and POOR leadership!

Azerick Koslova
Caldari
Posted - 2011.07.01 23:36:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Karlos Zhang
Edited by: Karlos Zhang on 01/07/2011 23:20:32
Does a person have the right to take another persons life = will there ever be game effecting MT in eve
youtube vid that cracks me up



Funny as hell to be sure...but in this case...it really IS a YES OR NO question.

Legio Praetor
The Green Machine
Posted - 2011.07.02 00:17:00 - [298]
 

Originally by: Atreus Venom
Big Print Edition


You see, Trebor, this is why we don't trust you and why so many people are referring to the CSM as a joke. You're either intentionally misrepresenting the entire situation or truly are clueless about how the community actually feels. So let's clarify it: We're not ****ed off because CCP failed to clearly communicate its plans for EVE to us. On the contrary, we have a very clear understanding of where CCP is headed and have already seen part of it with our own eyes with the release of Incarna.

Sorry, Trebor, but this is not just a big misunderstanding. Not by a long shot. A very significant portion of EVE players are fundamentally opposed to where CCP wants to take EVE, and we have no intention of being fleeced to pay for it. CCP's behavior has been appalling, if not entirely unexpected. But the response of the CSM has been slow, disorganized, and generally somewhat clueless. Many of us had hoped that would not be the case.

Unfortunately, the general consensus is that the CSM members have become willing participants in CCP's MT-fuelled dog and pony show. So no, we don't trust you. And no, your big 'joint statement' is not going to be taken at face value. It's going to be treated with the same skepticism with which many players have now learned to treat everything produced by CCP.

A little less frat boy partying and a little more attention to effective communication with the community might done wonders to change the perception of the CSM. The community's united response over the last week provided you and your fellow CSM members with a golden opportunity to finally push for a serious revision of CCP's long-term development roadmap. Instead, we've seen nothing but stalling and bragging about hangovers and partying with the devs.



come on everyone repost this

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.07.02 00:21:00 - [299]
 

You've won. My patience has cracked and my arm is hurting from hovering over the unsubscribe button.

No forums or twitter for me until monday. *flexes arm*

I'm sure I can leave the raging and ranting in you capable hands, my dear formites.

Good weekend everyone ! Razz

KamikazeBrAzIl
Vera Cruz Alliance
Posted - 2011.07.02 00:23:00 - [300]
 

Rage conga lines delayed until tomorrow


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