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Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:07:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: killmc
if i could i buy stock in ccp and snap up at less 30% stock and than go at them what few m $$$ to save game i love


Well they might be issuing more shares or taking out another loan soon. Have you got $10-20 million on hand?

Tron Flux
Caldari
Midnite Madness
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:09:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Keno Range
Originally by: Tron Flux
EVE is not a democratic society. It's a game run by CCP. There are no laws that govern what CCP can do, and there are no rights within the game. You buy the service until you don't. That's it.


Society is always democratic by its very nature. If you choose not to participate, that's your decision.



Really? Is that what you got out of your study of history? Societies are always democratic?

I don't have words for that kind of stupid.

killmc
Gallente
Navajo commandos
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:10:00 - [63]
 

Originally by: Takseen
Originally by: killmc
if i could i buy stock in ccp and snap up at less 30% stock and than go at them what few m $$$ to save game i love


Well they might be issuing more shares or taking out another loan soon. Have you got $10-20 million on hand?



can have on hand in under week

Gran Asutor
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:14:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Keno Range
Originally by: Tron Flux
EVE is not a democratic society. It's a game run by CCP. There are no laws that govern what CCP can do, and there are no rights within the game. You buy the service until you don't. That's it.


Society is always democratic by its very nature. If you choose not to participate, that's your decision.



Really? Is that what you got out of your study of history? Societies are always democratic?

I don't have words for that kind of stupid.


A stupid as dodging the disccusion.

Keno Range
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:16:00 - [65]
 

Edited by: Keno Range on 30/06/2011 23:16:25
Originally by: Tron Flux


Really? Is that what you got out of your study of history? Societies are always democratic?




Yes, they are. Governments are not always democratic. Countries are not always democratic. Society (from the latin word socius = comrade, friend) describes the relationship or interaction among parties that are friendly or civil. A society is democratic because that lies in the nature of humans. Only some sheep chose not to participate in decisions but instead to post about how good it is to just shut up and get screwed.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:16:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Originally by: Keno Range
Originally by: Tron Flux
EVE is not a democratic society. It's a game run by CCP. There are no laws that govern what CCP can do, and there are no rights within the game. You buy the service until you don't. That's it.


Society is always democratic by its very nature. If you choose not to participate, that's your decision.



Really? Is that what you got out of your study of history? Societies are always democratic?

I don't have words for that kind of stupid.


By strict definition of "democracy" he is wrong, clearly. But in a larger context, if the people get psised, rise up, there are enough of them, and they have the means, they can vote with violence and over throw their rulers.

I think that is what he intended to mean.

Keno Range
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:27:00 - [67]
 

Edited by: Keno Range on 30/06/2011 23:30:23
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
I'm pretty sure the EULA that we all agreed to said that we have absolutely no rights to EVE.


Wrong. And here's just one example why: 70 US$ for a monocle is not a micropayment. Think again if you believe that "we have absolutely no rights" - or do you really think some contract called EULA supersedes EU law, national law of EU member states, Icelandic law, US federal law, or trade and consumer law of single US states? An EULA is a nice little agreement, but it is not more important than trade laws and consumer rights. Therefore, "we have absolutely no rights" is a poor statement.
Participation is important.
CCP wants Micropayment and probably Pay-To-Win mechanics. Players don't have to put up with it. There are many reasons for that, and one of them is that EVE with Micro/Macropayment would become a REAL store, with all the legal implications, and they would suck even more developer energy away from the space game.

The HypnoToad
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:44:00 - [68]
 

He said "good grief", classic...

Takseen
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:48:00 - [69]
 

Originally by: Keno Range
Edited by: Keno Range on 30/06/2011 23:30:23
Originally by: Typhoon Warfreak
I'm pretty sure the EULA that we all agreed to said that we have absolutely no rights to EVE.


Wrong. And here's just one example why: 70 US$ for a monocle is not a micropayment. Think again if you believe that "we have absolutely no rights" - or do you really think some contract called EULA supersedes EU law, national law of EU member states, Icelandic law, US federal law, or trade and consumer law of single US states? An EULA is a nice little agreement, but it is not more important than trade laws and consumer rights. Therefore, "we have absolutely no rights" is a poor statement.
Participation is important.
CCP wants Micropayment and probably Pay-To-Win mechanics. Players don't have to put up with it. There are many reasons for that, and one of them is that EVE with Micro/Macropayment would become a REAL store, with all the legal implications, and they would suck even more developer energy away from the space game.


I have no idea why you're bringing legal rights into the discussion here. They're about as relevant here as the US First Amendment right to free speech is to posting on private forums. I can think of no legal problem with CCP charging $70 or $700 for virtual or real monocles. Or of suddenly charging $500 a month subscription fees, provided you were notified of the change before the next billing period.

The HypnoToad
Posted - 2011.06.30 23:51:00 - [70]
 

When OP is clearly simple it is cruel to taunt it

RabC Nesbitt
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:14:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: RabC Nesbitt on 01/07/2011 05:16:57
Edited by: RabC Nesbitt on 01/07/2011 05:15:50
Edited by: RabC Nesbitt on 01/07/2011 05:15:13
Originally by: Tron Flux

stuff


You still haven't answered the previous question and continue to dodge the discussion.

"...you're pointing out the obvious cause ... ?" (I can feel some yellow lettering coming along)

i.e. your original post is contributing nothing new to the overall forum discussions.

Jerry Pepridge
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:19:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Rekindle



CCP wants cake and to eat it too.


That phrase sounds familiar. Someone used it, but who?

Oh it was me discussing people who expect to be taken seriously when they threaten to quit, but keep playing, posting and talking about the next fanfest.

Mmmmm! Cake.

Mr Epeen Cool


flawless victory.jpg

Constantinus Maximus
Paxian Expeditionary Force
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:20:00 - [73]
 

Edited by: Constantinus Maximus on 01/07/2011 05:20:50
Originally by: Tron Flux
I can buy stuff from the grocery store for years and years.


Tell me, where is this place where you *subscribe* to groceries?

Originally by: Rion Deteisan
Dear Mr Grocery store owner:

Please don't remove beef in exchange for dog meat.

Thanks,
Rion


The Pteradactyl
Posted - 2011.07.01 05:23:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Buying a product from a company doesn't award you any rights with regard to that company. I can buy stuff from the grocery store for years and years.

That doesn't mean that I have any right to tell the grocery store what to do or how to do it.

The groceries are not a fundamental right, and the store itself is not a democracy. If the store does things I don't like, I go to a different store.

If I really care about the store, I buy shares in it until I have a controlling or compelling interest in it. Then I have the privilege of making suggestions.

If I really really cared, I would get a job at the company that had some influence and make a difference that way.

But buying stuff from the company isn't the same as buying a part of the company. The idea that anyone can demand stuff from CCP is completely absurd. You are living in a dreamworld that has no connection to reality.

You are paying for a service. If you don't like it, go find another service. You certainly have no grounds to issue mandates about the corporate strategy.

What exactly is it you think companies do to expand their markets and profits? The good ones use a hit product to fund other products. All this moaning about wod and dust is just stupidity. Of course they aren't making money yet, you dolts! They haven't been released!

Good grief. It's like some of you have never had a job.


QFT. EVE has many children and underemployed adults participating.

Tosser Galore
Posted - 2011.07.01 06:03:00 - [75]
 

EvE is also a community as well as paying customers of mmorpg. Of course people will voice their opinions. OP is wrong you don't need any rights to voice your opinion, and op is the last person to tell anyone so.


Your grocery analogy tells me that you are indeed a fool trying to pin down this "subject at hand" to some one dimensional blanket statement (this is how children and brainwashed adults reason). There is no right or wrong here. There are bad parts mixed in with the good parts.

If you as a businessman fails to listen to your customers, you will shoot yourself in the foot.

Good grief. It's like you have never had a job. Try to engage your brain before you post.

(don't bother replying I will not look for your answer)




Harisdrop
Gallente
Vindicate and Deliverance
Posted - 2011.07.02 02:58:00 - [76]
 

Originally by: LHA Tarawa
CCP does not care about each player, but they do care about thousands of players. Which is why people should, in addition to complaining on the forums, unsub thier accounts.


I would like all those that have tech II bpo stay away from the game and unsub.

HeIIfire11
Posted - 2011.07.02 03:06:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Tron Flux
Buying a product from a company doesn't award you any rights with regard to that company. I can buy stuff from the grocery store for years and years.

That doesn't mean that I have any right to tell the grocery store what to do or how to do it.

The groceries are not a fundamental right, and the store itself is not a democracy. If the store does things I don't like, I go to a different store.

If I really care about the store, I buy shares in it until I have a controlling or compelling interest in it. Then I have the privilege of making suggestions.

If I really really cared, I would get a job at the company that had some influence and make a difference that way.

But buying stuff from the company isn't the same as buying a part of the company. The idea that anyone can demand stuff from CCP is completely absurd. You are living in a dreamworld that has no connection to reality.

You are paying for a service. If you don't like it, go find another service. You certainly have no grounds to issue mandates about the corporate strategy.

What exactly is it you think companies do to expand their markets and profits? The good ones use a hit product to fund other products. All this moaning about wod and dust is just stupidity. Of course they aren't making money yet, you dolts! They haven't been released!

Good grief. It's like some of you have never had a job.


We don't assume to have any rights or to be able to tell ccp what to do. We are saying that if they want our money..they have to give us what we want or we stop paying. Plain and simple.

Choice is theirs.

KarathKasun
Posted - 2011.07.02 03:16:00 - [78]
 

Has anyone given thought of whats going to happen to eve if it becomes less profitable than WoD?

As far as I can see, there are people in CCP that want nothing but to continue this world they have helped build, but as a company the most profitable IP is what ends up with the dev time.


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