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Ashley Sky
The Eleventh Commandment
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:16:00 - [1]
 

I've been here a while now.

It's my personal opinion, that since 2004, each expansion that's released makes the game a little bit less fun for people who actually try to "play" this game. I think I stopped really "playing" around 2006 or so. In my opinion, the true death of this game came when L4 missions in empire became soloable isk printing factories which took away the small group cooperative industry (mining) that was the most profitable (but least fun) activity before.

The game engine is really built for small group encounters. Why CCP tries so hard to force group blobbing and civilization/sims in space is beyond me. The world of small time PvP and rock/paper/scissors ship balancing with the occasional pwnmobile or remote sniping/jamming surprise was by far more entertaining. Fairness balancing and buffing has taken away that feeling of the sneaky surprise.

You might ask, why didn't you just quit, give me ur stuff, bla bla, trust me I'll get to that. But for now, read further...

I have to say, every new release only brings more "content" that doesn't interest me. Huge capital ships, POSs you have to babysit, never ending carrots on a stick... Wow, no thanks, Grandma. Wormholes, mini games (Planetary Interaction), Faction warfare (lol), and now the joke of walking in system slowdown stations (turned it off), and time dialation (it's a feature), and finally AUR to pimp yourself with fake blings and wacky face pancakes. It's all just smoke and mirrors to hope you don't notice what you knew all along. EVE is a terrible game. CCP doesn't improve it. It milks it. Why make it better when you can make your wallet fatter with less effort?

But wait... what's this?

This game is full of fanboy delusional players that have the concept in their mind that this game can be fun if they just obtain enough isk, large enough ships, large enough fleets, corporations, alliances, etc. They're almost there, just work a little longer, a little harder, and you can have it all and finally... have.. fun. They delude themselves into thinking they're having so much fun along the way. Farming isks and fueling POSs while their brains leak out their noses. I've seen CEOs order their underlings around like psychopath dictators. The carrot is out there right? Just chase it a little further.

This is truly the best thing that EVE has to offer. People like this that are ripe for the torment. The smallest most effortless knife can be inserted in their back to send them over the edge, writhing into their own personal hell. I personally have destroyed dozens of corps with only the mere threat of war, infiltration, or stress to send them over the edge. My chat logs and mailbox are full of the tears of the infernos I've created with only tiny little sparks to light the kindling. My wallet is full of their isk and my work to achieve success in this game is minimal. It appears that I've found a way to play after all. Why work to be Batman when being The Joker is actually entertaining?

Leave if you want, but EVE getting worse is just a fact of life, and living to torture the frustrated players that remain keeps me more than satisfied. The worse the game gets, the more real money people spend, and the more frustrated the players, the more fun it is to punish them for their stupidity of actually trying to play the game successfully.

Dare I say, this aspect of the game is so fun, I embrace the monocle. Pay to win means play to lose, and I will be here to dance in the rain of your tears as I take and destroy what you have so rightfully "earned" with your hard and frustrating work, and now your real life chump change. Despite the game getting constantly worse, I have found a way to make it consistently more fun for myself, unfortunately at your expense.

By getting everything wrong, CCP actualy does one thing right. The greatest feature this game has to offer, the one that keeps me here, is the ability to ruin it for others.

Frodrich Adoudel
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:18:00 - [2]
 

"Face Pancake"

Love it!!!!

Whiskey Jameson
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:20:00 - [3]
 

I am a dillusional fanboi, please send me your isk/stuff.

Bibosikus
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:22:00 - [4]
 

"CCP doesn't improve it. It milks it."

Damn.. that's really catchy :s

Good points

Princess Sultry Snarketawa
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:37:00 - [5]
 

There is a great deal of truth in this post. People might want to read it and think about it as opposed to the standard responses so common in the Eve forums that are useless. Eve could be so much more if it was run by people that loved the game instead of just those milking it for ever penny or kronor (whatever it's called in Iceland).

And without grievers, gankers, thieves and scam artists Eve would be truly unbearably boring.

Eve could be so much more. What happened to the vision that created Eve?
Now we're just in age of monocles and BS like that. It's sad.

Cipher Jones
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:41:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Cipher Jones on 30/06/2011 17:41:49
Quote:

This game is full of fanboy delusional players that have the concept in their mind that this game can be fun if they just obtain enough isk, large enough ships, large enough fleets, corporations, alliances, etc


On one hand I feel bad that you don't have fun playing EvE anymore; on the other hand you telling me what fun is shows that you are truly ignorant, and I welcome your exit from the server with open arms.

I hate to seem like such a **** sometimes, but it is fully warranted when people post such garbage.

Karl Planck
Labyrinth Obtaining Chaotic Kangaroos
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:42:00 - [7]
 

Pay to win means play to lose, and I will be here to dance in the rain of your tears as I take and destroy what you have so rightfully "earned" with your hard and frustrating work, and now your real life chump change.

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this is not only going in my bio, i think this might become my corp description.

While i share your opinion i certainly do not think that your (our) concept of what is fun in this game is shared by many. A lot of people find working with others and building something that can be toppled over is a large part of the fun. There are so many ways to play this game its not surprising that you don't see the worth in many of them

HatHatHatHatHatHatHatHat
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:47:00 - [8]
 

just enother f uk en eejit Rolling Eyes

Suitonia
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:47:00 - [9]
 

I play eve almost exclusively solo PvP and I still find eve really fun and challenging. Solo and Small Gang PvP is still fun, and taking advantage of superior knowledge and skill versus players who don't know what PvP is outside of 200 dudes shooting a structure of 15 man bubble camps with 2x falcons JUST IN CASE, and beating them while massively outnumbered because they're horrendously bad at the game is incredibly thrilling and rewarding.

There are several rusty things about eve, mostly ECM, but its still a great experience if you play the game you want to play it.

Section 88
Posted - 2011.06.30 17:51:00 - [10]
 

If people really want to p2w...come to rens...deposit 100mil in my account...buy me a ship...I will undock and let you wtfbbq me...yay you win! \0/

luZk
Amarr
Jaegerkorpset
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:01:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Section 88
If people really want to p2w...come to rens...deposit 100mil in my account...buy me a ship...I will undock and let you wtfbbq me...yay you win! \0/


What he was saying was.

1 You should buy 2 plex.
2 Sell a plex to get ISK
3 Buy a ship and put the other plex in cargo.
4 Undock and get shot by him.
5 Then he would loot your plex and sell it back to you.
6 Repeat.

Or at least thats what I think he is saying.


Portmanteau
Gallente
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:19:00 - [12]
 

I endorse this product/service ++ many internets

Sasuke Rukh
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:24:00 - [13]
 

Quote:
This game is full of fanboy delusional players that have the concept in their mind that this game can be fun if they just obtain enough isk, large enough ships, large enough fleets, corporations, alliances, etc. They're almost there, just work a little longer, a little harder, and you can have it all and finally... have.. fun. They delude themselves into thinking they're having so much fun along the way. Farming isks and fueling POSs while their brains leak out their noses. I've seen CEOs order their underlings around like psychopath dictators. The carrot is out there right? Just chase it a little further.


Um, you might not have noticed, but every single MMO works like this. You need to enjoy the journey to obtain things. You'll quickly realize that once you do, they're actually not that fun. Its the journey that's fun.

Ahjeebus
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:38:00 - [14]
 

I agree about the lvl 4 stuff, but imo I think PLEX was worse since it promoted simultaneous multi-account play, if you could make enough isk to run them all without paying.

When you're running four accounts at once you don't need to actually rely on other people to do stuff for you like scout/haul/salvage and it even becomes counterproductive to have other players there taking a share of the money.

Which kills the teamwork aspect of it.


Xenomorphea
Gallente
Black Rise Angels
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:43:00 - [15]
 

Big words, and actually even some valid points.

However, your combat record does not support any of your claims:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Ashley+Sky

10 kills, 3 losses. Is this your alt?

Cheers, Xeno

CowQueen MMXII
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sasuke Rukh
Um, you might not have noticed, but every single MMO works like this. You need to enjoy the journey to obtain things. You'll quickly realize that once you do, they're actually not that fun. Its the journey that's fun.


And Eve offers the possibilities to make this quite a long journey if you are willing to try all the things offered. What Eve has over most other MMOs is clearly that you have the choice what you want to do - no 'mandatory' raids of the same two or three instances over and over again for months, no endless hours learning "e-fishing" or monster grinding for exp.

Of course when you have done it all, you have done it all, but seriously, do you know a game that you can play for 5,6,7 or more consecutive years that keeps being new, interesting and fun? I don't, so please give me a hint. Maybe you should take a break when the fun is gone and come back when you feel the urge to shoot spaceships or out of curiosity a few expansions later.

Kronir
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:55:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ashley Sky
By getting everything wrong, CCP actualy does one thing right. The greatest feature this game has to offer, the one that keeps me here, is the ability to ruin it for others


Best post on the forums for ages!! Thanks for the laugh :D

Ashley Sky
The Eleventh Commandment
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:11:00 - [18]
 

This is my main, but I mostly do killings on my alts, or assist other players in doing horrible deeds. After all, nobody is going to let this character into their corp. :)

Originally by: Xenomorphea
Big words, and actually even some valid points.

However, your combat record does not support any of your claims:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Ashley+Sky

10 kills, 3 losses. Is this your alt?

Cheers, Xeno

NTRabbit
Caldari
Guiding Hand Social Club
Posted - 2011.07.01 16:17:00 - [19]
 

Ugh, woken from my forum slumber... as the kids with their Google+ say these days,

+1

This game has failed to deliver on the promise of actually becoming fun so many times, that most of us vets have stopped waiting for the package. I started this game to play some fun and interesting small unit combat, and haven't been able to do that outside of a tournament since before the tournaments started.

DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
Posted - 2011.07.01 17:30:00 - [20]
 

Hello there. My name is DigitalCommunist and if you don't know me, it means you're a worthless plebeian.

A part of me wants to wax poetic and thrust my vast eloquence so far down your eyehole, but I'd get another account warning for tenderly skullloving someone in public. Instead I'm going to strip this to the basics:

EVE is and/or was supposed to be a virtual world. If someone tells you otherwise, you have my permission to punch them in the face. You can have fun with whatever content they decided should be in the game, but you have many better options for that sort of fun elsewhere. 14 million neckbeards, landwhales and underage brats have decided that WoW is better at providing this sort of fun than EVE - and they are correct for the most part. CCP never has and never will compete strongly on this front.

The game does provide ample opportunity for fun through user generated content, which most games do not. Yes, this includes piracy and backstabbing, but it also includes warmongering, roleplaying, corp/empire building, and so on. You can rag all you want, but different people have different tastes and the variety isn't really hurting anyone. Play long enough and you'll probably end up trying a bit of everything just to keep yourself amused - I know I have.

If the game were as simple and straightforward as you described it, it would suck - because I remember when it was like that, and it got monotonous eventually. So with only one caveat, I can say 'change is good' with a straight face.

That caveat is 'power to the players'. And no, that doesn't mean getting flown to Iceland for an over-glorified whining session. It means you can't hide yourself yourself from other players' influence in the game and vice versa. You may be able to protect yourself from negative things, but only if you are smarter, or better, or just react correctly.

The fact that CCP is putting in new tools and new content with each new expansion is a great thing. The only lousy part is when they sacrifice some of this power you have to influence, impact and interact with other players in order to do it. Sometimes its major and sometimes its minor, but there is no single cause for this and over the years we've acquired many arbitrary limits on player action.

All this pent up angst being released now is the result of slow realization that shiny trinkets have a bigger impact on players' experience than the introduction of a new sovereignty mechanic or supercapital ship. The majority of players in this game are essentially playing for pixels, and are now mad because someone may have shinier pixels than them. Ships have become toys instead of tools and territory is a status symbol instead of a vital resource to be exploited. In a game where vanity is the most important thing to consider, anger over vanity-related injustice is completely justified.

As someone who's seen the game grow from 200 people connected to a buggy development server to what it is today, I say there is a way to fix anything.

If you wanted to make EVE more like EVE as it was meant to be, you would have to:

- stop the inflation of currency (isk in = isk out)
- make industrial activities the most profitable, and combat activities the least
- make the 'corporation' the core unit of player organization
- change the war declaration and insurance mechanics
- change factional warfare into something you can't opt out of
- New taxes on highway gates, NPC corporations, NPC services
- make outposts destructible, assets be damned
- change jump drives and supercapitals

These are not small adjustments, as CCP is conditioned to respond with, but systematic overhauls of the biggest offenders to player driven content.

Make people care about who they are, what they represent, and most fundamentally.. how they will survive - and you will have your EVE.


 

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