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WlliamRyker
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:09:00 - [1]
 

It should be the other way around, the high-sec economy and jita should be dependent on nullsec industry. You know, people who play EVE online.

The paradigm that common minerals = highsec and rare minerals in null is ******ed. This just means the bulk of everything in the game is produced by the vastly overabundant and overpopulated nullsec, with specialty items and minerals being exported to jita. This encourages highsec (non)play, which has been shown by the players as a problem since eve has started

Raellah
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:11:00 - [2]
 

You do realise that if the market were dependent on nullsec for goods and minerals then everything would cost at least 5x as much?

Discrodia
Gallente
Symbiosis International
Moose Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:13:00 - [3]
 

I'm sure that your cap fleet would still be very nice, even if the insane prices meant it was a mere tenth of its current size and almost impossible to replace.

Additionally, clarity is your friend. Your post does not include any friends.

WlliamRyker
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:14:00 - [4]
 

That makes no sense, we have more or less normally priced ships already in nullsec

Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:14:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Raellah
You do realise that if the market were dependent on nullsec for goods and minerals then everything would cost at least 5x as much?


This makes no sense. There's open market competition in null, just the same as empire.

OverlordY
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:15:00 - [6]
 

Why is empire dependant on ******ed null sec. A region of space should not need other regions to be self sufficent.

StillBorn CrackBaby
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:16:00 - [7]
 

Another brain dead idiot. People can play how ever they damn well want to play. No one has to answer to you a "real player of EVE", lol what a joke. There are more people in Empire than there ever will be in null, you nub...

WlliamRyker
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:16:00 - [8]
 

Because empire is basically 100% safe and nobody would have to leave, you ******

Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:17:00 - [9]
 

Alright then, start mining veld in nullsec and build us some stuff.

On another note, if we have to stop supplying you with stuff, can we have your sanctums? ...since you'll be too busy mining veld anyway.

Koragoni SkyKnight
Amarr
Completely Bored Senseless
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:17:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Discrodia
I'm sure that your cap fleet would still be very nice, even if the insane prices meant it was a mere tenth of its current size and almost impossible to replace.

Additionally, clarity is your friend. Your post does not include any friends.


You say this as if that would be a bad thing?

OverlordY
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:17:00 - [11]
 

Just a noob OP that thinks we should play the game the way HE DOES... lol fail

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:18:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: WlliamRyker
Because empire is basically 100% safe and nobody would have to leave, you ******

Nullsec is 100% safe? Stupid fewl, not even close. Reetard...

Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:19:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: StillBorn CrackBaby
AThere are more people in Empire than there ever will be in null, you nub...


That's precisely the point of the thread... there's no reason to live in null; everything you need you could get at Jita, but null needs massive amounts of trit (since nobody bothers to go veld hunting in null) for ship construction.

It's one of the many problems we've been told CCP is 'working on'. Null sec really is ****ed right now, there's no denying that.

Zin Zy
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:19:00 - [14]
 

In what way is null-sec dependent on high-sec?
The only reason I can see, is lazyness. To be honest, this is only what I've heard and read on the forums, but null-sec miners won't mind veld. They prefer to mine high value ore, sell it in jita and buy low end minerals.

If you look at the distribution, high-sec is very dependent on null-sec as the source of high-end minerals (killed a lot by rogue drones in lvl4 and refined loot). Null-sec on the other hand, has access to every kind of ore and do not need to trade anything with high-sec. IF null-sec miners would spend the time minind the low value ores that is.

Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:19:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: WlliamRyker
Because empire is basically 100% safe and nobody would have to leave, you ******

Nullsec is 100% safe? Stupid fewl, not even close. Reetard...


Boy do I hope that you're trolling. Shocked

Vaya DeLopasz
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:20:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Vaya DeLopasz on 30/06/2011 14:23:53
ah. club syndrome.

1. state: not in the club.
statement: make it easier to get into the club.

2. state: in the club.
statement: make it harder to get into the club.

After your logic, cities and secure civilisations make no sense.

As soon as lowsec starts to secure their systems from pirates and advertises to create a 0sec tradehub, creating diplomatic ties to other alliances and ensuring safe trading, it would work. But it does not.

But in the current state of eve, this is not how it is done. So yes. Jita is the trading hub. Because its secure*. Because its civilized**.
We do not want to go to trade in the wild west.

Nothing hinders somebody to actually try to create a tradehub anywhere else. Even in 0 sec.

*) i know its not always secure
**) i know civilized does not mean its nicer.

Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:23:00 - [17]
 

For the old players, remember the ISS EC-P8R public trading outpost?

Open that one up again if you want a change, but you lads are too greedy to do that and too lazy to mine your own low-ends. (Though this might be an overly simplistic view of reality.)

Koragoni SkyKnight
Amarr
Completely Bored Senseless
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:24:00 - [18]
 

I've lived in Venal, Stain, and Eso for considerable lengths of time in my EVE career.

I wouldn't call them "optimal" but there was no shortage of raw materials to build crap with if I wanted to jump out a few BPCs. So I'm not sure what you're getting at?

Empire will always be a better market than null sec. Why? Economics! If you can do the something with less risk, you'll go that route. It takes billions of isk invested just to get a tower online to do some t2 component construction so you can build a few t2 cruisers. T3 is even more insane. Defending a large tower from a BS blob in HS is infinitely easier than doing the same from a dread/sc blob in low/null sec.

Besides, all of EVE buys in Jita. It's hard not to sell in the Walmart of the EVE universe.

When you add to it all that null sec consumers are unwilling to pay more than a jita price for something the final piece clicks into place. Why should I take the time to even jump stuff out, if I cannot even recover my fuel costs? Much less make something for my time.

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:24:00 - [19]
 

For the same reason as empire is dependent on nullsec carebears: because interdependence makes both zones worth-while and give them both a purpose.

Drae Fokker
Caldari
Burst Of Aggresion
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:24:00 - [20]
 

STOP HAVING FUN GUYS. YOU MUST PLAY THIS GAME ACCORDING TO MY RULES. YOUR WAY IS WRONG. RAARRRGHHHHHbwaohgeogheotho

*this poster has suffered a stroke while mimicing nerdrage. Rest assured, he is getting the best care possible.*

RiskyFrisky
Interrobang Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:25:00 - [21]
 

Quit your *****ing. No one cares about you QQing about not being able to skyrocket prices.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:25:00 - [22]
 

High-sec

Good for Trit, Pyerite, Mexallon
BPO's and other Tech items that a full civilization would produce.

0.0
EVERYTHING ELSE.
Moons mineral // all the other ores // PI // ICE // all can and do come from 0.0

Granted you can get some of these items from high sec but there is zero requirement too.

As it stands right now 0.0 could just about remove it self from the rest of EVE and have no issues @ all.

Syphon Lodian
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:26:00 - [23]
 

I didn't realize there was no Veldspar in null. Gee whiz, that blows.

Oh wait, yes there is. Golly gosh, I forgot, everything you need in nullsec, is actually *in* nullsec. Amazing.

Go pick up your space rocks like everyone else.

Mi'Rini Nemo
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:26:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Mi''Rini Nemo on 30/06/2011 14:27:38


Originally by: WlliamRyker
Because empire is basically 100% safe and nobody would have to leave, you ******


No way empire space is 100% safe!

I'd say 50% safer than null or low sec. Concord's role isn't to prevent, but to punish! Just as any alliance members would do to a neutral or a hostile pilot.

Are you sure you're an Eve pilot or are you trolling?

Koragoni SkyKnight
Amarr
Completely Bored Senseless
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:29:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: RiskyFrisky
Quit your *****ing. No one cares about you QQing about not being able to skyrocket prices.


Spoken like someone who's never participated in alliance logistics.

Simetraz
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:29:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Syphon Lodian
I didn't realize there was no Veldspar in null. Gee whiz, that blows.

Oh wait, yes there is. Golly gosh, I forgot, everything you need in nullsec, is actually *in* nullsec. Amazing.

Go pick up your space rocks like everyone else.


THe low ends are in 0.0 it is just easier to get it from high-sec.
People mine high ends in 0.0 and sell it to buy trit.

There is no requirement to do it that way it is just more efficient.

Ripley Nostromo
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:30:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Alpine 69
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: WlliamRyker
Because empire is basically 100% safe and nobody would have to leave, you ******

Nullsec is 100% safe? Stupid fewl, not even close. Reetard...


Boy do I hope that you're trolling. Shocked


Not at all. I've lost count of the people I know who have been ganked in Empire, mostly at trade hubs...

Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:38:00 - [28]
 

Something I want to do isn't as profitable as something I don't want to do.

Leaving aside the dogmatic my-game-is-better-than-your-game for a moment, how does one objectively measure when it flips from being "duh, that's what supply and demand is all about" to "there's a flaw in the game design" ?

Alpine 69
Rubbish Superheroes
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:41:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Alpine 69 on 30/06/2011 14:41:47
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: Alpine 69
Originally by: Ripley Nostromo
Originally by: WlliamRyker
Because empire is basically 100% safe and nobody would have to leave, you ******

Nullsec is 100% safe? Stupid fewl, not even close. Reetard...


Boy do I hope that you're trolling. Shocked


Not at all. I've lost count of the people I know who have been ganked in Empire, mostly at trade hubs...


Notice the red part in bold. Nullsec ≠ Empire.

Koragoni SkyKnight
Amarr
Completely Bored Senseless
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:42:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Maplestone
Something I want to do isn't as profitable as something I don't want to do.

Leaving aside the dogmatic my-game-is-better-than-your-game for a moment, how does one objectively measure when it flips from being "duh, that's what supply and demand is all about" to "there's a flaw in the game design" ?



If you can answer that question, to be honest... You've won EVE.


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