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Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:00:00 - [241]
 

Originally by: lilol' me
i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'

Good lord, get a life.
It's just a fricking game.

To put that into some perspective, I was amongst the monument shooters in Jita and I've posted *far* more in the last week than my entire previous two years in total.

Freddie Failquitter
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:01:00 - [242]
 

Edited by: Freddie Failquitter on 30/06/2011 16:01:42
Originally by: Amar Azaph
Anyone who thinks that the players wishes are subservient to a CSM's own self interest is frankly speaking, living in cuckoo land.
CSM's do not speak for me, they have no mandate to speak for me, I speak for me. They do not represent me on any level.


I suggest that CCP has already failed in this costly meeting by capitulating to anything the agenda-driven CSM is demanding. We'll see if real issues (costs in NeX, monocles, etc are stupipdly irrelevent) are resolved, such as the yearly fee for third-party developers. CCP is clearly in NO position to demand a yearly fee from developers to access their API. I imagine the power brokers at CCP are laughing their arses off over this whole meeting.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:01:00 - [243]
 

Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 16:02:52

Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?


Ever sit in a meeting at work, look around, see people's heads bobbing up and down as the speaker talks? Thinking yeah uhu I agree, yeah I know that see im a good company player.

That is what the CSM is doing now, playing Mr Noddy .

Kevric
Talocan Scrap Metal and Recycling
Talocan United
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:02:00 - [244]
 

Originally by: BtodaC
Given that this new expansion leaves 99% of the game untouched (the 1% being that you cant spin ships in station any more) and adds an additional percent which is totally ignorable in game (NEX, AUR etc.) I cant help but laugh at your hyperbolic commentary.
Cheer up!


Just the fact that they dared call something that left 99% of the game untouched, took something away from players, and added ignorable content an EXPANSION should be enough to get people up in arms.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:02:00 - [245]
 

Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.

Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.


That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.

Your attempted point here is weak.


Thats the joke, they have been profitable on a sub basis. There is no need to put MT into the game that was already generating healty profit.

Jannx
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:04:00 - [246]
 

Originally by: Amar Azaph
CSM's do not speak for me, they have no mandate to speak for me, I speak for me. They do not represent me on any level.

Nobody voted for you. IRL lone nutcases shouting outside government buildings are generally put up bith but universally ignored. No different here.

The CSM are there as our representatives because people bothered to vote for them (and, frankly, because they bothered to put themselves up for election in order to provide a voice for the players).

So, like it or not, they are the representatives of the player base. If you don't like it, get voted in yourself. Meanwhile, let them do what we (the players) have asked them to do in the CSM forums and wait for the outcome tomorrow.

Evalon Fury
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:04:00 - [247]
 

It looks worryingly like they are talking about everything else first so that they have something to throw to us when the talks break down over the no non vanity items issue... If they dealt with that first then... they would really have to deal with it seriously.. As it stands they have successfully weakened the position of the CSM in negotiations.. Now even if the CSM refuse to accept what CCP say regarding the yellow question.... CCP can still come out with a document truthfully stating all the goodies they agreed to with the players representatives.

I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..

In my opinion the CSM should have gone in and refused to discuss any of the other stuff until the non vanity items for Aur issue was dealt with.

Gillaboo
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 - [248]
 

Originally by: Miilla

Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?





Because the other 86% used the other form of ABSTAIN, aka "CBA".

You're new to this whole democracy thing, aren't you?

Wink

killmc
Gallente
Navajo commandos
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 - [249]
 

Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.

Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.


That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.

Your attempted point here is weak.


Thats the joke, they have been profitable on a sub basis. There is no need to put MT into the game that was already generating healty profit.




that like telling oil corp your makeing more than enofe how about not raseing fuel price for ever

Andraine
Coded Arms Corp
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 - [250]
 

Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?

Or has nothing been sad about that?

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:05:00 - [251]
 

Originally by: Gillaboo
Originally by: Miilla

Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?





Because the other 86% used the other form of ABSTAIN, aka "CBA".

You're new to this whole democracy thing, aren't you?

Wink


You forgot to FULLY quote.

Ever sit in a meeting at work, look around, see people's heads bobbing up and down as the speaker talks? Thinking yeah uhu I agree, yeah I know that see im a good company player.

That is what the CSM is doing now, playing Mr Noddy .

ALLYOURMONEY BELONGTOUS
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:06:00 - [252]
 

I don't know how to use twitter... If u do can u ask the csm on twitter are they going to bring the ship docked in hangar back?

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:06:00 - [253]
 

Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 16:02:52

Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?



Its great pr for ccp.

Zhula Guixgrixks
Increasing Success by Lowering Expectations
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:06:00 - [254]
 

Originally by: Ilmunel
ccp dont want to answer main question, so i think they decided to go beyond vanity items, and csm will be used to tell it us


my thoughts. Just waiting how CSM will sell it to us Evil or Very Mad

BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:06:00 - [255]
 

Originally by: Ilmunel
ccp dont want to answer main question, so i think they decided to go beyond vanity items, and csm will be used to tell it us


Translation:
Originally by: Ilmunel
I don't know what ccp will say so I will just just assume the worst


If you are wrong will you be sure to post as many comments on the forums about how happy you are?
Will we see a 400 page thread of people saying how happy they are if CCP reassures them that it will only ever be vanity items for sale in NEX?
Do you grasp why CCP get so fed up with the forums? Do you understand why they have a forum whine index?Laughing

Samir Duran Xadi
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:07:00 - [256]
 

I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:07:00 - [257]
 

Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: Miilla
Edited by: Miilla on 30/06/2011 16:02:52

Why are a bunch of people that only 14% of Eve Customers voted for representing speaking for us?



Its great pr for ccp.


Don't forget the rest of the quote.



Ever sit in a meeting at work, look around, see people's heads bobbing up and down as the speaker talks? Thinking yeah uhu I agree, yeah I know that see im a good company player.

That is what the CSM is doing now, playing Mr Noddy .

killmc
Gallente
Navajo commandos
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:09:00 - [258]
 

Edited by: killmc on 30/06/2011 16:10:00
Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.




all gameing corp use income from game 1 to pay to make game 2 that just how it works

Miilla
Minmatar
Hulkageddon Orphanage
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:09:00 - [259]
 



The metrics shown to the farce CSM show clearly that customer cancellations had VERY LITTLE impact.

Until that changes, don't expect CCP to change.

Talal Galbraith
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:10:00 - [260]
 

Originally by: Evalon Fury
I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..


I'm amused that you're only now seeing this. Laughing

Bomberlocks
Minmatar
CTRL-Q
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:11:00 - [261]
 

Robert Woodhead. You seem to have a remarkable proclivity for believing things CCP tells you. This time, try less to be BFF and more to be the inquisitor.

Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:11:00 - [262]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Luckytania


That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.




BLOODY CAPITALISTS!!

BETTER RED THAN DEAD, eh...Lucky Wink



<laughter> Actually, uh, no. :)

I approve of making money. Strongly approve. I just got the impression that the guy I quoted was trying to say CCP was barely scraping along and we should consider opening a soup kitchen for the devs.

Actually, IMO, what happened here is that CCP was taking advantage of, excessively taking advantage of, fees being paid to provide one service to do 'other' work to the neglect of the original commitment.

Kinda like paying a contractor to put an extension on your house and you find he has spent half of it on some other endeavor to the detriment of the quality of work on your house, to his double dipping profit, rather than doing the job which was previously agreed upon.

vasuul
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:12:00 - [263]
 

Originally by: Andraine
Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?

Or has nothing been sad about that?


from trebor 1hr ago ::We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet

patience padowan Cool

Evalon Fury
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:12:00 - [264]
 

Originally by: Talal Galbraith
Originally by: Evalon Fury
I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..


I'm amused that you're only now seeing this. Laughing


Ha ha.. Well.. I'm usually an optimist... try and give people the benefit of the doubt... Looks likely optimism is misplaced in this case...Confused

Sasio Shihari
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:12:00 - [265]
 

Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.


Render unto me, all of your stuff.

Luckytania
Gallente
Bullets of Justice
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:13:00 - [266]
 

Originally by: killmc
Originally by: RougeOperator
Originally by: Luckytania
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.

Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.


That measly subscription has been netting them greater than $5 million dollars a year profit for a while.

Your attempted point here is weak.


Thats the joke, they have been profitable on a sub basis. There is no need to put MT into the game that was already generating healty profit.




that like telling oil corp your makeing more than enofe how about not raseing fuel price for ever


More like: How about committing to selling gasoline as long as I'm buying it?

Talal Galbraith
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:13:00 - [267]
 

Originally by: Evalon Fury
Originally by: Talal Galbraith
Originally by: Evalon Fury
I hope I am wrong.. but it looks like a PR stunt..


I'm amused that you're only now seeing this. Laughing


Ha ha.. Well.. I'm usually an optimist... try and give people the benefit of the doubt... Looks likely optimism is misplaced in this case...Confused


This is the INTARWEBZ, man!! What's yer problem?!?!!?! Wink

Maplestone
Myth and Peace Lords
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:14:00 - [268]
 

Originally by: Xythe Marstolt
Seleene_EVESeleene
#CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet


Just because prices are easy to mock doesn't make them important.

Zleon Leigh
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:14:00 - [269]
 

Originally by: Samir Duran Xadi
I dont care about MT, NEX, monocles etc. the lack of new content and the fact that our money goes to fund other ccp projects should be enough for anyone to quit.


All companies do this - that's how they roll out new products. The problem is that CCP hasn't allocated enough of our money to *maintain* EVE properly and what they do allocate they waste on useless, unwanted features.

That's what the CSM should be addressing, but the only thing that will happen is that CCP will fill their minds with more Kool-Aid and we're gonna get screwed.

Vain Eldritch
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2011.06.30 16:14:00 - [270]
 

Originally by: vasuul
Originally by: Andraine
Soooo are we getting the station view back? will the door be no more?

Or has nothing been sad about that?


from trebor 1hr ago ::We plan to make a joint statement at the end of day 2 with specific details and points agreed to. #csm6 #tweetfleet

patience padowan Cool


Padowan? Paedowan? Padawan?


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