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jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:31:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: vasuul
The CSM's do have bargaining power US.
...


You make it sound like CSM and CCP are somehow at odds just because the players are at odds with ccp.

Mittani Defends the incarna. The only errors from ccp he refers to in his writing are pr errors. He is going there to help their pr and his pr. He is not going there to act a game developer or inform ccp what the players think. He has no better insight on that than anyone else reading the boards.

bitters much
Nekkid Inc.
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:31:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Kira Summer
Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.


You tard working at the local McDonalds, we geddit. Maybe your Boss can teach you something about jobs that are critical to quater end results and guess what, we have quater end.


Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:31:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
The leadership of EVE


This made me seriously lol.

CSM are nothing to CCP, and their only job is to pacify the players in moments like these.

Nilania Telshua
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:33:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Snake Scofield
Originally by: Righteous Deeds
Originally by: Snake Scofield
Quote this if you think free expansions are awesome.


Except they're not free, but are funded by subscription revenues. Not a gift, just another kind of business strategy.


No, subscriptions fund gameplay, server costs etc. 10 expansions for everquest 2 over 7 years, none free. 3 major expansions to WoW over 6 years full retail box price. In addition to subscription. Of course you watch the rage should they think of charging to develop a content packed expansion.



You as most "eve-expansions-are-free"
people fail to realize a simple fact:

"expansion in EVE" = "content-patch in other Games"


Anna Maziarczyk
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:33:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: vasuul
The CSM's do have bargaining power US.
...


You make it sound like CSM and CCP are somehow at odds just because the players are at odds with ccp.

Mittani Defends the incarna. The only errors from ccp he refers to in his writing are pr errors. He is going there to help their pr and his pr. He is not going there to act a game developer or inform ccp what the players think. He has no better insight on that than anyone else reading the boards.


yeah, fair enough.

Kane Molou
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:35:00 - [156]
 


evenews24Eve News24 Online


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@Trebor_CSM #csm6 Don't get me wrong bro, but am not getting good vibes, hope just to be part of my cynism... and wrong intel...

7 minutes agoFavoriteRetweetReply









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@jo_segers @Trebor_CSM #CSM6 Yellow question: AUR for NON-vanity items, is the CSM doing rodeos or just forgot why they are there for?

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jo_segersJo Segers


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@Trebor_CSM @evenews24 Yellow question: AUR for NON-vanity items

12 minutes ago












Trebor_CSMRobert Woodhead


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@jo_segers That stuff will be handled tomorrow.








evenews24Eve News24 Online


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@Trebor_CSM #CSM6 nice 2 see u guys being happy, what about the Big Yellow Question, or are they predictably saving it for tomorrow?

15 minutes ago









Seleene_EVESeleene





RT @Trebor_CSM: BTW, John Turbefield, the Man, the Legend, the Monocle! http://yfrog.com/kle9eryj #tweetfleet #csm6#eveonline

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just to dump it in.. you know everythings 'tomorrow'

vasuul
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:35:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: vasuul on 30/06/2011 14:36:47
RT @Trebor_CSM: BTW, John Turbefield, the Man, the Legend, the Monocle! http://yfrog.com/kle9eryj #tweetfleet #csm6 #eveonline

http://yfrog.com/kle9eryj lol

Anna Maziarczyk
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:36:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
The leadership of EVE


This made me seriously lol.

CSM are nothing to CCP, and their only job is to pacify the players in moments like these.

And so their leaving would have minimal effect on you. As it would have a minimal effect on a lot of players. But there are also A LOT of players, who are still subbed, still playing, who would absolutely cancel if the whole of CSM quit together.

But yeah, i dont see that happening. The CSM, as someone pointed out, is going to assist CCP instead of holding it to whats right.

Jannx
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:37:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Kira Summer
Anyone here saying its impossible to get a couple of days off work or from their business is talking BS.

Plenty promises made to get our votes like any other politician
Rolling Eyes
One of the CSM's (not sure which) did say, when the meeting was first announced, that those who couldn't be there in person would join in by Skype or streaming.

And, lets face it, there could be numerous reasons why they couldn't make it... like no flights, for instance.

Calm down, be patient, see what occurs. There will be plenty of time for pitchforks when the meeting is over tomorrow.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:38:00 - [160]
 

Yeah but they don't want to quit. Hell Mittani never claimed anything was wrong with what ccp did other than how it ran its public relations.

They want to remain alliance leaders in eve and on the csm to get free trips to iceland. So they are going to take what ccp offers and claim victory - as if their expert negotiating tactics won the day.

Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
Originally by: vasuul
If the CSM stood up and said "Enough is enough, make the following changes or we quit."

CCP would listen.

The leadership of EVE all leaving together, would have REAL effect on the players who are on the fence about staying/leaving. Its a lot of people.

BtodaC
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:39:00 - [161]
 

Quote:
The CSM's do have bargaining power US.



The CSM does not own players (some might pwn other players but thatís different Laughing)
Wait for what is said at the end then pass judgement, donít sit sit there in an angry prejudiced ball spilling pointless bile on the forums.
Learn the value of patience and understand that CCP needs customers and will do what it takes to retain subscribers. It sounds like some players have made up their minds based on their own emotions rather than anything CCP or the CSM has done.

The fact that some posters can't understand that not all CSM's could justify time off work within such a short time-scale speaks volumes. LIFE>COMPUTER GAMES learn this well for your own sake.

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:40:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Nilania Telshua


You as most "eve-expansions-are-free"
people fail to realize a simple fact:

"expansion in EVE" = "content-patch in other Games"




More pennypinchin freeloading scum. How much was the trinity expansion? Not only do they have to pay server bandwidth/maintenance costs, developer costs, technical support costs, ingame support costs out of a measly subscription they also have to develop feature packed expansions to sate the gluttonous hordes.

Not only that but your monthly subscription also apparently buys you the right to dictate the future direction of CCP, make staff changes and have access to high level discussions.

Look at this thread, can't even wait till a meeting is concluded before bringing out the pitchforks. How dare they not involve me in the setting of the agenda.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:41:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: bitters much
Originally by: Kira Summer
Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.


You tard working at the local McDonalds, we geddit. Maybe your Boss can teach you something about jobs that are critical to quater end results and guess what, we have quater end.




If CSM members are not important enough *at their day jobs* where they can just take off to iceland on a days notice - then ccp won't and probably shouldn't care what they have to say.

Ciar Meara
Amarr
Virtus Vindice
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:41:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Ciar Meara on 30/06/2011 14:43:43
Edited by: Ciar Meara on 30/06/2011 14:43:01
Originally by: jackaloped
Originally by: vasuul
The CSM's do have bargaining power US.
...


You make it sound like CSM and CCP are somehow at odds just because the players are at odds with ccp.

Mittani Defends the incarna. The only errors from ccp he refers to in his writing are pr errors. He is going there to help their pr and his pr. He is not going there to act a game developer or inform ccp what the players think. He has no better insight on that than anyone else reading the boards.



Having read mittani's blogs I agree with them. They are the opinion of many others, I don't dislike Incarna when they get their act together, and vanity MT are just that. Top hats for fancy walking.

Mittani's opinions about non-vanity stuff and other gamebalancing needs are clear though.

I trust Trebor also, he seems like an intelligent and thoughtfull guy. At the very least they can relay our fears and then its up to common sense really.

I like the way they do a staggared approach to this stuff, if after a few hours the CSM allready has some good news from CCP that bodes well (for now).

Originally by: jackaloped

If CSM members are not important enough *at their day jobs* where they can just take off to iceland on a days notice - then ccp won't and probably shouldn't care what they have to say.


Just a tip: important people = harder to leave on short notice, not easier.

Kane Molou
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:42:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: BtodaC
Quote:
The CSM's do have bargaining power US.



The CSM does not own players (some might pwn other players but thatís different Laughing)
Wait for what is said at the end then pass judgement, donít sit sit there in an angry prejudiced ball spilling pointless bile on the forums.
Learn the value of patience and understand that CCP needs customers and will do what it takes to retain subscribers. It sounds like some players have made up their minds based on their own emotions rather than anything CCP or the CSM has done.

The fact that some posters can't understand that not all CSM's could justify time off work within such a short time-scale speaks volumes. LIFE>COMPUTER GAMES learn this well for your own sake.


Part of the problem with 'paitence' though is that people are at a point where Paitence isn't going to last.. we've been waiting over a WEEK for answers solid answer and instead of getting them the CSM is giving us the run around to, why wait 2 days? Why not give a summery of each meeting, and a total summery at the end of the day.. then the same tomorrow and at the end the joint statement as to how / what etc they think the entire meeting happened..

The big one is that instead they can 'spin' what ever they want because NONE of US truely knows anything that is going on.. the is NO Transparency between CCP and US, because we don't get to see ANY of these meetings only what they WANT to show us.

Jannx
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:43:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: BtodaC
Quote:
The CSM's do have bargaining power US.



The CSM does not own players (some might pwn other players but thatís different Laughing)
Wait for what is said at the end then pass judgement, donít sit sit there in an angry prejudiced ball spilling pointless bile on the forums.
Learn the value of patience and understand that CCP needs customers and will do what it takes to retain subscribers. It sounds like some players have made up their minds based on their own emotions rather than anything CCP or the CSM has done.

The fact that some posters can't understand that not all CSM's could justify time off work within such a short time-scale speaks volumes. LIFE>COMPUTER GAMES learn this well for your own sake.

Darn, where's the thumbs up emoticon when you need one? Seconded, anyway.

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:43:00 - [167]
 

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Kira Summer
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:44:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: bitters much
Originally by: Kira Summer
Then if you have a Job that you cannot book a couple of days off when something as important as this arises why bother to put yourself up for election. Geddit.


You tard working at the local McDonalds, we geddit. Maybe your Boss can teach you something about jobs that are critical to quater end results and guess what, we have quater end.




Lol you obviously have a mental age of about 5 if you cannot read what I wrote in full.
I had a successful business and I worked( past tense tard geddit)
Now I am retired and have no need to work alongside you at any fast food outlet.

Had I wanted a CSM job I would have ensured I would carry out promises made all over chat in local when I would have been grubbing for votes, same as CSM members were doing back in early part of the year.

But I didn't because I knew I wouldn't want to fulfill the obligations expected to fulfill those promises.

So go crawl back into your little hole and learn to read. BTW Quater means Quarter I suppose tard.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:44:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Anna Maziarczyk
The leadership of EVE


This made me seriously lol.

CSM are nothing to CCP, and their only job is to pacify the players in moments like these.


This

Sir Hillary
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:46:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: jackaloped
Hell Mittani never claimed anything was wrong with what ccp did other than how it ran its public relations.


Good thing too. While you might not think it from the forums, there are a lot of people who don't think any of what has been going on is a big deal. The 2 corps I'm involved in, membership of one overall doesn't really care, and of the other supports extra shineys to give us more valuable stuff to blow up. As in all things like this, it's important everyone is represented.

Personally my only concern is that introducing items that require nothing to manufacture will break the economy.

Clavian Voi
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:46:00 - [171]
 

Exactly as predicted, CCP decided what was going to happen a long time ago and this meeting with the CSM is nothing more than damage control and an attempt to re-focus the attention of the press. The tone of the tweets already indicates the CSM members are going to accept whatever CCP's plans are.

Sounds like lots boot licking going on during the day, lots of drinking with their dev buddies at night.

This meeting should have been broadcast live or members of the press should have been invited to report live. As it is, I remain entirely skeptical of anything said by any of the participants. Sorry, but it will take more than a few "everything is wonderful" tweets to change the perception that this is anything but a farce.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:49:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Clavian Voi
Exactly as predicted, CCP decided what was going to happen a long time ago and this meeting with the CSM is nothing more than damage control and an attempt to re-focus the attention of the press. The tone of the tweets already indicates the CSM members are going to accept whatever CCP's plans are.

Sounds like lots boot licking going on during the day, lots of drinking with their dev buddies at night.

This meeting should have been broadcast live or members of the press should have been invited to report live. As it is, I remain entirely skeptical of anything said by any of the participants. Sorry, but it will take more than a few "everything is wonderful" tweets to change the perception that this is anything but a farce.


I worry about this. But Ill wait till the end of the meeting but looks like i wont be playing eve anymore in the near future.

Xythe Marstolt
Minmatar
Stark Industries PtyLtd
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:49:00 - [173]
 

Seleene_EVESeleene
#CSM6 is talking VERY bluntly with CCP Zulu atm about the roll out of the NeX and how the prices were / are perceived. #tweetfleet

Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:49:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: Boaz Hedion Merkava on 30/06/2011 14:49:34


nvm, I posted the same tweet as Xythe ^

vasuul
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:51:00 - [175]
 

i was not saying the CSM own the players i was making an analogy of the situation
analogy ::Our CSM's are the strike negotiators we are the ****ed off union employees

The CSM are there to look after our interests and be our voice to CCP
i was merely stating this is like a strike negotiation, hopefully it comes up with a settlement we can all be happy with.
CCP should have a vested interest in making their player-base happy again im sure none of them want to be laid off in this economy
either way we are all watching and waiting to see how it comes out .

lilol' me
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:51:00 - [176]
 

just dont think i can ever trust anything that CCP says ever, i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:52:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Ciar Meara
Originally by: jackaloped

If CSM members are not important enough *at their day jobs* where they can just take off to iceland on a days notice - then ccp won't and probably shouldn't care what they have to say.


Just a tip: important people = harder to leave on short notice, not easier.


Tip thats what I said. If they are not important then they can take off on a days notice and ccp probably shouldn't care what they say. But CCP doesn't care what they say anyways. So it really doesn't matter.

If you are convinced that CCP called this meeting because they really want to hear how trebor and white tree and mittani think they should run their business thats fine. But for people with half a brain its pretty clear this a pr dog and pony show.

Ghoest
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:52:00 - [178]
 

If when the meeting ended half the CSMs canceled there accounts it would be a PR disaster for CCP.

I doubt the CSMs have those kind of balls.

Boaz Hedion Merkava
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:52:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: lilol' me
just dont think i can ever trust anything that CCP says ever, i feel physically sick even typing 'CCP'


That's a bit over the top, isn't it?

Snake Scofield
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:52:00 - [180]
 

Quote:
members of the press


CNN or Fox?


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