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John Murdocch
Posted - 2011.06.30 05:51:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: John Murdocch on 30/06/2011 05:53:44
Edited by: John Murdocch on 30/06/2011 05:52:51
Im a low SP pilot, so Lvl 4's are actually still kinda hard for me. Assuming I'm following the mission reports and only shooting non-triggers - sometimes I still find myself being attacked by a crapload of rats. What is the best kill order to minimize incoming dps? Do I go for the BS's first, or the frigs and work my way up? Oh yeah - one other thing - I'm in a HML Drake & I don't use drones (because I'm training for Tengu).

Honestly I typically find myself killing off all the mid-size ships first, then BS, and usually frigs last. I figured the mid-size ships do a fair % of the incoming dmg to my Drake, and they die fast - so I go for them first. But is this correct?

Also, will my strat vary by the faction of rats I'm fighting?

Equinox 6
Posted - 2011.06.30 06:23:00 - [2]
 

If you really insist on not skilling drones just do the basic,
drones 5
drone interfaceing 4
scout drone op 4

Drones will make a huge difference in the time it takes you to complete a mission and will save you loseing your ship..

you already check the triggers first so, attack the frigs with drones and put your missiles on cruisers/b cruisers they die fast and it helps remove dps fast..

If you get webbed by a frig your receiveing more dps from all the rats from the lack of speed and the time you useing missiles on it is better spent killing bigger things..

Raziel Walker
Posted - 2011.06.30 07:13:00 - [3]
 

Without basic drone skills killing (elite) frigates takes a lot of your time. Unless you plan never to leave your tengu I would advise you to train up for T2 gallente/minmatar drones and drone interfacing IV.

Basic order I use is frigates > BC > destroyers > cruisers > battleships.

In a drake I would start setting drones on the frigates and start shooting missiles at the bigger targets for full damage. Although it depends a bit on how fast the targets die. Sometimes rat battleships die faster as elite cruisers.

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2011.06.30 07:20:00 - [4]
 

My preference is to kill regular BCs, battleships, elite BC, elite cruisers, then cruisers. This is mainly due to target "softness" compared to DPS they put out. Frigates are set against scram then web. Cruisers and frigates tend to be a nuisance rather than a threat, and as long as the scrams are killed, I can warp out while webbed.

"Training for a Tengu" is not a reason to skip drones. Train to fly the ship you're flying, which for any BC or BS means being able to field 5 T2 light drones. You'll want those skills later when the Tengu gets nerfed into oblivion (which is a matter of when not if).

Ralitge boyter
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:24:00 - [5]
 

Depending on the mission your approach is completely right... kill the middle tier which usually hits hard and moves relatively fast (compared tot he BS's) so they are more likely to stay in range even if you try and outrun the damage.

There are a few exceptions...
Some missions spawn ewar frigates which can be a pain certainly if you are relying on speed to avoid some or most of the incoming damage, you might want to focus on them first. Other missions have battleships that like sitting on top of you (blaster/auto cannon fitted once) these can do significant damage once in range. You usually will want to kill them well before they show up right next to your ship.

Besides that if you want to do level 4 missions with any kind of speed or profitability you will want to use drones for the frigates, certainly if you are using BS sized weapons some missions are near impossible to complete due to the trouble you will have hitting the little buggers.

But with you being in a drake speed tanking is out of the question and you should be able to kill the frigs it will just take a million years on some missions. And even in a Drake drones will help a lot, just think about it if all frigates would be killed while you kill the rest of the ships how much faster would you be able to do any level 4 mission?

Julien Brellier
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:29:00 - [6]
 

I usually go cruisers, BC then battleships.
My light drones deal with the frigates as I'm chewing up everything else.

Qalix
Posted - 2011.06.30 19:44:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Qalix on 30/06/2011 19:44:48
I'll leave the drone discussion alone. A lot depends on the specific mission (you'll learn them after a while). The order is somewhat situational. Generally, I use the kiting method, so I'm burning away from the majority of ships. Frigates will catch up with you and must be dealt with. Sooner is better if they're tacklers/webbers.

I kill scram/web towers/ships first.
Then jammers/dampers/ewar.
Kill towers
Kill anything in close range
Kill everything else

Usually, if you're kiting, you'll get out of range of BCs and be on the outer edge of BS range limits by the time you've gotten through the first two items. There are times that differ. The bonus room in Angel Extra has a deadly missile tower plus some webbers. I kill the tower then the webbers. If you have the option to warp at range to a mission and you're in a long range setup, you should do it. It will greatly reduce incoming dps.

Wannabehero
Wayward Ventures
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:32:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Wannabehero on 30/06/2011 20:57:00

Train up some drone skills. Seriously. You don't even need t2 drones to help you a metric crap-ton on the missions. With lvl 3 skills (except for Drones 5) a flight of tech 1 hobgobs will add an extra 55 to your DPS (50 for hornets if you are running Gurista/Serp missions). That may seem small, but it is still what, an extra 15% more DPS?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2011.06.30 21:17:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: John Murdocch
Edited by: John Murdocch on 30/06/2011 05:53:44
Edited by: John Murdocch on 30/06/2011 05:52:51
Im a low SP pilot, so Lvl 4's are actually still kinda hard for me. Assuming I'm following the mission reports and only shooting non-triggers - sometimes I still find myself being attacked by a crapload of rats. What is the best kill order to minimize incoming dps? Do I go for the BS's first, or the frigs and work my way up? Oh yeah - one other thing - I'm in a HML Drake & I don't use drones (because I'm training for Tengu).

Honestly I typically find myself killing off all the mid-size ships first, then BS, and usually frigs last. I figured the mid-size ships do a fair % of the incoming dmg to my Drake, and they die fast - so I go for them first. But is this correct?

Also, will my strat vary by the faction of rats I'm fighting?


Once you're in a Tengu, your kill list should be

(Enter room with T1 ammo loaded)

1) Elite frigates: these are always the first to die. Webs are the mission Tengu's greatest enemy. Once the elite frigates are dead, there are very, very few rooms where you cannot easily tank full aggro.

2) Cruisers: these have the tracking to actually hit you a little.

3) Switch to Furies. Kill the battlecruisers.

4) Battleships. Once you've killed any webbers, you can pretty much ignore battleships, so you might as well save them till last.

Barbarella Smith
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:32:00 - [10]
 

dude, train drones, a pack of warrior II's in you bay will take down spider drones asap. those horrid little webber and scram frigates that put the fear in go down quick when a pack of warrior II's come zipping in. Your heavy missiles have a hard time with the frigates unless you train up guided missile precision so warrior II's my friend, bor the pve win..Cool

Barbarella Smith
Posted - 2011.07.01 00:35:00 - [11]
 

oh yes, and back to topic, I use a tengu, but even when i did them in a raven,
smallest ones first,
next size up, next size,
biggest ones last.
seems to be working fine.Smile

Tau Cabalander
Posted - 2011.07.01 06:02:00 - [12]
 

In a Raven I do:
1. Battlecruisers (two volleys)
2. Destroyers (one volley)
3. Battleships
4. Cruisers (annoying)
5. Frigates (use drones)

In a Tengu I do smallest to largest, as that is the threat order for webs and damage (battleships cannot hit a Tengu, and if they ever do, it is for a trivial amount of damage).


 

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