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Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:33:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
If NexMach is better that RegularMach, then an arms race, paid for with real cash has been created. This is a pay to win scenario.


You're 100% right... if it wasnt for the fact you can buy NeXMach with Isk also. So it would be an arms race... paid for with real cash OR ingame currency.

And how exactly would buying a NeXmach with money be any different then buying a regular mach with money via plex? Both are available via cash or isk.
Both require regular manufacturers to build the initial ship thats being upgraded.

how is this so difficult for people to understand? lol.



It is you that do not understand. Go brush up on your econmics and a bit of monetary theory.

Brainless Bimbo
Minmatar
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:37:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Brainless Bimbo on 30/06/2011 09:38:51
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Everyone forgets that it makes real life circumstances then get reflected in the game, its no longer an equal game, it does break game by making it real life dependent.


No, you're overlooking PLEX/GTC. GTC already allows you to buy a 100mil SP character and titan.

The idea that NeX store is for money only is obscene, as you can clearly already buy NeX items with Isk.


Yeah, but they were not magicked up out of a database entry were they, a player did it, you have to buy players work
And the NeX store was designed from the ground up to be a pure cash generation mechanic that is why it has BUY PLEX button and only uses PLEX for conversion and plz remember that a PLEX is GTC sales dependent not in game actions dependent. Also the requirement for an article was never built in to it, so its is a pure cash thing for magicked pixels.


Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:40:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 09:45:03
Originally by: Adunh Slavy

We'll wait and see what comes out of the CSM summit. So much for your point there.
how does that break my point at all? Look at my original post, it contains a link detailing CCP's plans to integrate even the vanity painted ships with manufacturers by requiring a regular version of the item to be traded up. Its there in black and white, written by CCP, posted on the forums, detailing their plans to implement this. My god people.


Originally by: Adunh Slavy
If a NexMach is better than a NormalMach, this sets up pay to win scenario. This is what all the rage is about.

If you had bother reading any of the previous posts, this argument you have put forward has already been stomped all over and proven to be false. Why? Because the NexMach would still be available via isk OR money... Just as the regular mach is currently available via isk OR money.

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
It won't stay there. As you say, CCP is indeed a business. And in the sandbox they are god, they are a monopoly. They will over time use that power at the expense of everyone else in the sandbox. You can cite a slippery slope argument if you want to, but historical precedent sets the chain of causality to rock sold. No monopoly has ever not abused its power, and CCP are no saints.
so whats your point here? You've basically stated that CCP is going to **** everyone over reguardless. perhaps you should just stop giving them money. You obviously lack the mental capacity to think this situation through, and so you probably shouldn't be handling money or paying for videogames anyways.



Originally by: Adunh Slavy

Because you're looking at the proposition from your individual perspective, you are not considering the entirely of the economy. You your self do not escape your own desire for more power, and you think CCP isn't going to abuse it?
what the **** does that even mean? My individual perspective? is backed up with facts as i've repeated several times all the way through this topic. Again, if you think CCP is just going to abuse its power regardless, ****ing quit.

Why are you here arguing over this one point when you already think they're going to trash the game regardless of which way the non-vanity issue goes?

Irie Irie Irie
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:43:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
individual perspective? is backed up with bull**** i've repeated several times all the way through this topic.


GTFO you are too dumb

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:44:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Adunh Slavy
It is you that do not understand. Go brush up on your econmics and a bit of monetary theory.


lol see, i present a solid case with facts and logical reasoning... and the only defense you can come up with is 'ur dumb'.

Originally by: Brainless Bimbo
Yeah, but they were not magicked up out of a database entry were they, a player did it, you have to buy players work
And the NeX store was designed from the ground up to be a pure cash generation mechanic that is why it has BUY PLEX button and only uses PLEX for conversion and plz remember that a PLEX is GTC sales dependent not in game actions dependent. Also the requirement for an article was never built in to it, so its is a pure cash thing for magicked pixels.

please tell me you're trolling. you cant really be this dumb and still use a computer...
Again, i refer to my original post on this thread, at the bottom theres a link detailing CCP's plan to NOT magically appear them out of thin air.

i have no faith in humanity after this. thanks ccp =P

Franz Sigel
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:45:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Originally by: Jimmy Duce

Yes it would help which is why I'm not arguing the economic point, my main point is I do not wish to play a game where you pay $ and are better.




You already do. PLEX allows a brand new player to be instantly better then you, both in isk, skills and ships.


No. All that you're buying as a wealthy noob is already in the game. The char you buy has been built up in-game. The gear you buy has been built up in-game. The isk you buy have been generated in-game. You only change the RL owner of virtual items. It doesn't matter in-game which RL guy is actually looking through your monocle if you decide to sell your char.

Terminal Insanity
Minmatar
Convex Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:51:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Franz Sigel
No. All that you're buying as a wealthy noob is already in the game. The char you buy has been built up in-game. The gear you buy has been built up in-game. The isk you buy have been generated in-game. You only change the RL owner of virtual items. It doesn't matter in-game which RL guy is actually looking through your monocle if you decide to sell your char.


yay more stupid people.

I know you're just going to ignore my logically sound post and continue on believing your fantasy, but i'll try ... again...

In order to purchace a evil super-over-powered NeXMach, you must first aquire a regular Machariel built by regular means with regular materials.

Follow so far?

Now, the NeXMach will remove a regular mach from your posession... and replace it with the NeXMach.

See how that instantly invalidates your point? see how it still keeps the regular industrial players in the loop? See how non-magically the ship is created?

probably not. But i guess thats why you dont wear a monocle.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:55:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity

how does that break my point at all? Look at my original post, it contains a link detailing CCP's plans to integrate even the vanity painted ships with manufacturers by requiring a regular version of the item to be traded up. Its there in black and white, written by CCP, posted on the forums, detailing their plans to implement this. My god people.



I responded to your red herring, you don't like the answer. Too bad.


Originally by: Terminal Insanity

If you had bother reading any of the previous posts, this argument you have put forward has already been stomped all over and proven to be false. Why? Because the NexMach would still be available via isk OR money... Just as the regular mach is currently available via Plex OR money.



And you fail completely to understand the ramifications that this scenario will have upon the value of ISK much less why. If you can not grasp that, then I can't help you. Please stick your head in the sand and do your best to ignore 4,000 years of economic evidence.


Originally by: Terminal Insanity

so whats your point here? You've basically stated that CCP is going to **** everyone over reguardless. perhaps you should just stop giving them money. You obviously lack the mental capacity to think this situation through, and so you probably shouldn't be handling money or paying for videogames anyways.



LOL, The point is the stuff you pay for today won't be worth what you paid for it over the long term. CCP will look for ways to increase sales, a better ship, better ammo, cheaper prices. They'll just keep adding more and more pay to win. Your NexMach today will be tomorrow's rifter.


Originally by: Terminal Insanity

what the **** does that even mean? My individual perspective? is backed up with facts as i've repeated several times all the way through this topic. Again, if you think CCP is just going to abuse its power regardless, ****ing quit.



It means you have demonstrably proven you do not understand economics.

As for me quitting, if they have not given me the answers I require, then I will be gone when my subscription runs out. And as I told you before a few days ago, if you don't like it, go to hell.

Originally by: Terminal Insanity

Why are you here arguing over this one point when you already think they're going to trash the game regardless of which way the non-vanity issue goes?


Why do you think everyone has canceled their subs? For laughs and giggles? To honk off the BlingTard monocle wearing space chavs?


Gouzu Kho
Posted - 2011.06.30 09:57:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
You're 100% right... if it wasnt for the fact you can buy NeXMach with Isk also. So it would be an arms race... paid for with real cash OR ingame currency.

And how exactly would buying a NeXmach with money be any different then buying a regular mach with money via plex? Both are available via cash or isk.
Both require regular manufacturers to build the initial ship thats being upgraded.

how is this so difficult for people to understand? lol.


The first problem is that it is not a pure ISK transaction, a plex (or more) needs to be used, so someone has to pay CCP somewhere down the line. It is thus not accurate to say the NexMach is available for ISK.

Combined with the situation that the superior Nexmach can only be bought through the Nex it means that players who 'only' pay a sub don't have a gameplay alternative to get an equal ship.

In the end your superior NexMach gives those who pay an unfair advantage over those who don't. And in a competitive sandbox like EVE that means a pay-to-win scenario, meaning no more actual sandbox.

Shpenat
Posted - 2011.06.30 10:02:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity

Valid Proposal



Your post is valid argument and question. But it is missing one important point of view.

As was pointed out above me, you cant buy anything with PLEX (RL cash) directly. Ingame the hi SP character (that can beat you) was presented before. That he is now played by new player A instead of original player B does not change anything ingame. Same with buying the machariel for PLEX. The machariel was already there created by players.

You wanted the other item to be traded in exchange for NEX item. That is good expectation, but breaks one game mechanism: "If the item is better it needs to have ingame added value"

Let me explain on examples.

Faction Ammo: It has better statistics than normal ammo. So it requires standart ammo and LPs to be spent while LPs can be obtained only by ingame mechanics (mission grinding). It did not have to be you who grind the LP.

Faction ships: Somebody had to find the BPC, obtain minerals and create it. It is all done by ingame mechanics and the ship is better.

NEX items: only added value is RL cash, which is out of game item. It does not have to be your cash, but the statement still holds. That is the main problem with game affecting NEX items.

Franz Sigel
Posted - 2011.06.30 10:06:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
In order to purchace a evil super-over-powered NeXMach, you must first aquire a regular Machariel built by regular means with regular materials.

Follow so far?

Now, the NeXMach will remove a regular mach from your posession... and replace it with the NeXMach.

See how that instantly invalidates your point? see how it still keeps the regular industrial players in the loop? See how non-magically the ship is created?


(ignoring the insult)

So to what end would that help? Why buying a NeXMach when I can buy a Mach? If that NeXMach would have some surplus over the Mach (i-win-lasers), then it would introduce surplus value out of thin air. If it doesn't - why the heck should I buy one? If its vanity only because of the shiny gold paint of that NeXMach, no one would complain (in fact, some would still do, but we wouldn't have riots).

Relshar
Posted - 2011.06.30 10:56:00 - [102]
 

Stop feeding the OP. He has no real grasp on monetry issues nor in game mechanics of trade and industry.

He also has no idea what he is talking about with the NeXMach.

NeXageddon will be coming I think.

fgft Athonille
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:06:00 - [103]
 

Edited by: fgft Athonille on 30/06/2011 11:06:28
Originally by: Irie Irie Irie


GTFO you are too dumb


this combined with you telling him he is a terrible troll has made my head explode with irony

you need to gtfo and stfu. look at this way. you fund multiple accounts and all you do is ship toast you havent done anything of consequence in tq

Lee Evans
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:18:00 - [104]
 

So what everyone does not want really is stuff/ships/modules coming out of thin air. It has nothing to do with NEX plex specs money to win or any of that carp.

And so we think CCP will make ships and Items appear out of nowhere ? do we really think they'll do that ? show me a hint they will and we can all protest that instead of labeling NEX and AUR as game killing.

Patient 2428190
DEGRREE'Fo'FREE Internet Business School
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:20:00 - [105]
 

As long as its stupidly expensive, thus basically impractical I can live with it.

Meta 16 goods for nearly 45K Aurum type thing.

Enik3
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:47:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Cataca
Genious

Uther Istavel
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:50:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 07:27:18
First and foremost, it would probably cause a lot of crybabies to quit.

Now seriously, lets pretend they place a "NeX Siege Launcher" in the NeX store. I can still purchase this with Isk by buying a PLEX with isk, and converting it into Aur.

So, it allows me to use the non-vanity items, as well as give players who obviously suck at eve the chance to buy them with their own real money (Again, no different then buying GTC and then selling it for a Machariel.)

The argument that it would break the ingame economy? It wont. Why? Because there are countless ways to implement this without breaking the economy. Just one example: Require a trade-up of a player-built item in addition to Aur for the non-vanity item.

So now, we have non-vanity items that dont break the game economy, padding CCP's wallet, enabling them to continue growing and building eve and other games. We have eliminated the poor brats who's unintelligent opinions seem to be trashing CCP's good name for absolutely no reason, and we've kept the majority of the player base.

Edit part:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1527783&page=13#364
Just because some people were claiming my 'trade up' example was imaginary/thought up 'by me' etc... there was also a devblog about it, but i tire of digging up quotes repeatedly for people who wont read them anyway.



So you propose to introduce the real word margins between the rich and poor into a virtual world?

gotta say, you must really have tried to sound like a ****, this sorta asshatery just doesnt come naturally.

Franz Sigel
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:52:00 - [108]
 

Originally by: Lee Evans
So what everyone does not want really is stuff/ships/modules coming out of thin air. It has nothing to do with NEX plex specs money to win or any of that carp.

And so we think CCP will make ships and Items appear out of nowhere ? do we really think they'll do that ? show me a hint they will and we can all protest that instead of labeling NEX and AUR as game killing.


C'mon, you CAN read the leaked statements to that end! I'll be perfectly happy if they don't, but then CCP has to chop the head off of some PR guy or girl!

ninjaholic
Gallente
House Aratus
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:53:00 - [109]
 

You have a monocle. Your opinion is invalid.

George Holden
Gallente
Syndicated Systems
ROMANIAN-LEGION
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:12:00 - [110]
 

Buying PLEX off market to convert into Aur = good
Buying PLEX through real life cash to convert into Aur = bad

Solution: remove PLEX from conversion and use raw ISK instead? Less convenient for the "oil tycoon" but it does not circumvent the market and thus not spawn items out of thin air or real cash rather create them from ISK produced by mission runners and such.

I'm working hard on the "gold ammo" items and the only solution that I might be able to live with is make them like officer stuff. To pick up the Machariel example, turn in a Mach get a 1-run copy + 5 billion ISK equivalent Aurum for an Estamel's Mach with let's say 1k more shields, armor and hull and some more PG/CPU or maybe just a tad bit faster. Crazy expensive for a pimped Mach with a big "OH DEAR GOD PLEASE GANK ME" sign on it and from my point of view not worth the ISK but maybe someone will buy it. Just some thoughts

Kin Netics
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:26:00 - [111]
 

This thread has derailed but I would like to make a comment. I understand the gripe but let's be honest here. Eve is a low pop game and ccp needs money. A solution would this. Ccp should allow any ship blown up by a pilot that has purchased skills/ship that was bought with rl money a full refund of gear and ship at their home base and the pilot should not get credit.for the kill if the ship/skills were used. Also these pilots should be allowed to be griefed and a wardec should be free against that pilots corp. That should level the playing field.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:34:00 - [112]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
I can see you but all i hear is blabbering. Who are you again? Never mind, it is of no importance.
Yeah, who I am is of no importance. Who the **** are you again?

Oh yeah, the pleb who contributed towards a $70 MICROtransaction.
It's more like $60, but that's splitting hairs.

Alejan Gerakh
Minmatar
Clan Hyena
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:38:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: George Holden
Buying PLEX off market to convert into Aur = good
Buying PLEX through real life cash to convert into Aur = bad

Solution: remove PLEX from conversion and use raw ISK instead? Less convenient for the "oil tycoon" but it does not circumvent the market and thus not spawn items out of thin air or real cash rather create them from ISK produced by mission runners and such.

This is brilliant. Besides, who's ever heard of trading licenses to convert currencies? That sounds suspiciously like money laundering.

Franz Sigel
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:51:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: Kin Netics
This thread has derailed but I would like to make a comment. I understand the gripe but let's be honest here. Eve is a low pop game and ccp needs money. A solution would this. Ccp should allow any ship blown up by a pilot that has purchased skills/ship that was bought with rl money a full refund of gear and ship at their home base and the pilot should not get credit.for the kill if the ship/skills were used. Also these pilots should be allowed to be griefed and a wardec should be free against that pilots corp. That should level the playing field.


Seems to me this would implement contradicting policies - to eat the cake and have it. Whatever CCP decides - they have to implement it consequently. They didn't contemplate gold ammo because players want them, but because CPP wants it. So if this is intended to wash cash into their purses, they can't obstruct people willing to buy gold ammo by fickling with counter-gold-ammo rules. And if they tried nevertheless, they had a never-ending job of balancing two incompatible systems with superimposed rules - we would never again have clear, reliable game mechanics.

Def Antares
Posted - 2011.06.30 12:52:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 07:27:18
First and foremost, it would probably cause a lot of crybabies to quit.

Now seriously, lets pretend they place a "NeX Siege Launcher" in the NeX store. I can still purchase this with Isk by buying a PLEX with isk, and converting it into Aur.

So, it allows me to use the non-vanity items, as well as give players who obviously suck at eve the chance to buy them with their own real money (Again, no different then buying GTC and then selling it for a Machariel.)

The argument that it would break the ingame economy? It wont. Why? Because there are countless ways to implement this without breaking the economy. Just one example: Require a trade-up of a player-built item in addition to Aur for the non-vanity item.

So now, we have non-vanity items that dont break the game economy, padding CCP's wallet, enabling them to continue growing and building eve and other games. We have eliminated the poor brats who's unintelligent opinions seem to be trashing CCP's good name for absolutely no reason, and we've kept the majority of the player base.

Edit part:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1527783&page=13#364
Just because some people were claiming my 'trade up' example was imaginary/thought up 'by me' etc... there was also a devblog about it, but i tire of digging up quotes repeatedly for people who wont read them anyway.



as you say you can already buy isk with rl cash and then game items from it. why is it you want a new store?

Akara Ito
Amarr
Kriegsmarinewerft
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2011.06.30 13:29:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:28:49
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 05:26:29
Originally by: Cataca

How about backing up your own theories instead of speaking out of nowhere? I know im just demanding here, but hey, if you please im a steady follower.

I have backed up my theories with examples in my original post, and a post not too far above this one.

It is the anti-nex people who have yet to present a reasonable argument against non-vanity items. All they've shown so far is their mindless rage.

Originally by: Irie Irie Irie
no one is responding to it seriously because its a worthless **** troll and you are adding nothing that hasn't already been talked about in other threads.


The original post wasn't a troll at all. Though, i am enjoying your rage in the subsequent replies =)

My original post presents a firm and reasonable explanation of why non-vanity is non-issue. If i'm the terrible troll, why are the anti-nex people the only ones flaming this thread?


Lets see, for T2 items we have:

1. buy a BPO (Isk sink)
2. Copy the BPO (usually requires a POS that consumes Fuel)
3. Invent the BPC (again, most likely to be done at a POS and it needs Datacores from the market)
4. Build the item (requires materials from moon mining and conventional mining -> market)

For Factionships and a lot if not most of faction items we have:

1. Run missions
2. get BPC for LP (ISK sink)
3. build the stuff (requires materials and BPC are ofter sold and build by somebody else -> market)

It is possible to get finished items with LP and from DED plexes but even then there are people running those plexes and most importantly: Even if somebody buys a sh itload of uberitems with ISK he got from GTC, people have played the game to get these items.
The Nex items will be spawned, even if the items will be BPCs, the BPCs for faction items dont spawn, they need to be gathered by players spending time in the game.

Basicly, a player that does only mission running is kind of a generator for faction items from the LP shop. This player (and his account) wont be needed anymore in case Nex versions of common faction items will be available.
Its a consumer having fun vs "press button to spawn item"

And I'm not even talking abotu rising Plex prices, CCP using the subscription money to develop items to charge their customers again and the general "holy **** we need to get 2 games done lets milk that cow until it bleeds" attitude.



DeODokktor
Caldari
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
Posted - 2011.06.30 13:41:00 - [117]
 

Edited by: DeODokktor on 30/06/2011 13:43:23
Originally by: Rosa Cardenalis
Can someone actually explain to me why this wouldn't work or would break the economy? It looks fine to me.


For a trade-in system, or a bpc sorta drop then it wouldnt be a HUGE violation.
The issue would be with the stats of the item.

I am sure, 99% sure, that ccp will re-balance NeX prices based on consumption.
And given time, Stats will be modified (even slightly) to help drive consumption.
CCP has just became the new Tech2 bpo monopoly!

Sure, the NeX HML bpc could cost 50m/run (500 AUR) and have stats better than faction. What will happen to faction HML's... They will drop, What will happen to people who normally buy those via LP rewards, they'll purchase new stuff. But wait, a lot of that other stuff they would move to now has NeX variations. So what to do, sell cheaper.
Selling cheaper has just devalued LP, Missions just became less profitable, Agent running just happened less.
Ammo Sellers in Agent hubs just took a big hit.. Drone sellers in agent hubs just took a big hit.. Recycled Loot just took a big hit.. Players now move/migrate

So players dropped price, now faction seems once again to be better than NeX due to cost being perhaps half, CCP Responds, NeX HML bpc's now cost 30m/run (300 AUR) and the cycle starts over. Not only that, but Isk Sellers (ingame plex) might find that PLEX's start to go up, due to the increased volume required for cheaper modules in NeX..

There's only one group who gets a benefit at all....
It's not the group who's in the game :P.

This -of course- assumes that ccp introduces a way to buy advantage, it might not happen.

Darth Mouse
Caldari
Steel Soldier's
Posted - 2011.06.30 13:49:00 - [118]
 

At the end of the day, his items will fall to the first gate camp his "pwn ship" encounters, as he'll be over zealous.

World of tanks is the same, people in the "bought" tanks tend to storm ahead and get reduced to smouldering rubble ...

the difference is in Eve, I can then loot his launchers and use them as my own ...

Kin Netics
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:53:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Franz Sigel
Originally by: Kin Netics
This thread has derailed but I would like to make a comment. I understand the gripe but let's be honest here. Eve is a low pop game and ccp needs money. A solution would this. Ccp should allow any ship blown up by a pilot that has purchased skills/ship that was bought with rl money a full refund of gear and ship at their home base and the pilot should not get credit.for the kill if the ship/skills were used. Also these pilots should be allowed to be griefed and a wardec should be free against that pilots corp. That should level the playing field.


Seems to me this would implement contradicting policies - to eat the cake and have it. Whatever CCP decides - they have to implement it consequently. They didn't contemplate gold ammo because players want them, but because CPP wants it. So if this is intended to wash cash into their purses, they can't obstruct people willing to buy gold ammo by fickling with counter-gold-ammo rules. And if they tried nevertheless, they had a never-ending job of balancing two incompatible systems with superimposed rules - we would never again have clear, reliable game mechanics.


Maybe, but there needs to be some sort of regulation put in place to govern the effect that these exploiters have on game mechanics. There is no question about it. Logic dictates that the players that don't buy gameplay items will fall behind for no reason associated with there characters advancement, only by outside resources not associated with this game which tbh would be total crap

Majuan Shuo
Gallente
Sons Of 0din
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2011.06.30 14:59:00 - [120]
 

Edited by: Majuan Shuo on 30/06/2011 15:05:57
Originally by: Terminal Insanity
Edited by: Terminal Insanity on 30/06/2011 07:27:18
Blah blah blah stupid **** (Again, no different then buying GTC and then selling it for a Machariel.)
blah blah blah more stupid ****



Law of *diminishing* marginal utility.


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