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Ben Stillers
Posted - 2011.06.29 06:46:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: Ben Stillers
Yes, you are correct young padawan, the issue is bigger than a monacle. The "monacle" was not the focus of my complaint. It was an example used to validate my point. Making threats and blowing up the forums with "I'ma unsub" seems a bit childish in my opinion. And it happens nearly every time there is a change. People are like sheep and tend to follow the biggest perceived trends. And, over-zealous complainers tend to cause the big waves that sink games.



Please name these other changes where over 5000 accounts were unsubbed? Saying this happens nearly every time there is a change clearly shows you once again fail to grasp the bigger picture. But since you cant even post with your main im assuming your just a troll.


Wait...I'm a troll? I thought I was a noob? No wait, I thought I was a PR Rep for CCP?! Who am I really? I am Burt Reynolds and I have an amazing moustache.

Since you are attempting to take my sentence out of context, and twisting it to support your point, I will simplify my theme to something a little more palatable for your brain. I am stating whenever there is a change people blow the forums with hyper-inflated criticism of CCP. I did not say 5000 people unsub everytime there is a change. Perhaps they have and no one ever bothered to keep track?! Or maybe it harkens back to that thing about people being like sheep exacerbated by that funny phenomenon called ‘going viral.’ Negative energy seems to be a huge catalyst for viva voce.

Florestan Bronstein
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2011.06.29 06:47:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Florestan Bronstein on 29/06/2011 06:53:59

Guess you would also suggest that if you are not happy with RL politics you should just emigrate (instead of rallying people around your cause and, you know, trying to change something)?

edit: I am from Germany and we have some tradition in this. The standard response to the student movement in the 60s was "If you don't like it here, then go already over there [i.e. emigrate to the GDR]".
Because society (just like company policies) is obviously meant to be static and anyone who dares to suggest change should just gtfo...
Customers giving feedback so a company can adjust their products & services is just as ridiculous.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.29 06:48:00 - [33]
 

I watched the video. Had to as the post was a little vague, and I wasn't sure which side you were on. I'd say funny stuff, but that just doesn't jive with my sense of humor. My true reaction is somewhere between shock, surprise, and sympathy, but very little of any of them overall.

@OP: Sorry, your post is a little off, and kinda doesn't hit the mark. You seem like a smart guy, but I don't think you really get that half these guys really are smart too. Only some of the posts on the forums fit your description, and while they seem to headline for a bit, most people are just trolling along for amusement.

Fact is, some of the statements and complaints are nothing less than accurate, and you can't fault people for being ****ed off, but you are right, in that it is quite possible for a large group of people to effectively destroy something for everyone else. I've seen a few games go down the same way, to a host of trolls and flamers attacking both Dev's and community members who tried to reason with them. Part of the problem there, was that, (in at least one case), the moderators in the community were supporting the flamers and trolls, and banning everybody else.

Naturally, they alienated the real player base, and chuckled over it with the trolls in other threads on the public forum. That doesn't really help matters, and the game eventually sunk. It's still live of course; just not very. I think it has something like 2-3K subscribers now, and may be going f2p soon.

While CCP supports the griefers in EVE, they at least have priorities, and despite what people are saying, make an effort to keep in touch with their community. It may not be 100% anymore, but at least they're still trying.

I've read as much of the BS and truths on the forum as most people, and to some extent find myself sick of it and unwilling to read anymore, or make the effort to bother reasoning with people most times. While I state that some of these people are quite intelligent, that doesn't mean that I believe they are entirely lucid, and excepting a few, most seem not to be. Some of them, are simply 'meta-gaming' in the forum, and twisting truths for their own amusement, while others are just trolling or flaming for the fun of it.

Mars Theran
Caldari
EVE Rogues
EVE Rogues Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.29 06:51:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Florestan Bronstein

Guess you would also suggest that if you are not happy with RL politics you should just emigrate (instead of rallying people around your cause and, you know, trying to change something)?




Actually, depending on where you live, (yes, even in what we call the free world ironically), you just stfu and live your life the way they tell you, because the alternative is worse. The only time anybody with any sense revolts, is when current conditions are worse than anything you will face in the process of doing that or after.

Viking Sven
Posted - 2011.06.29 06:53:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Mars Theran
It may not be 100% anymore, but at least they're still trying.


You gotta concede, that's more than just a minor understatement. CCP Pann started a thread 4 days ago, and that was self-confessed as a delayed apology then. Pann had to attend to IRL issues apparently, but still nobody from CCP has posted anything in that thread. We haven't seen a word from CCP since that thread was posted, in fact.

On the contrary, they've been 100% incommunicado.

RougeOperator
Posted - 2011.06.29 06:55:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Viking Sven
Originally by: Mars Theran
It may not be 100% anymore, but at least they're still trying.


You gotta concede, that's more than just a minor understatement. CCP Pann started a thread 4 days ago, and that was self-confessed as a delayed apology then. Pann had to attend to IRL issues apparently, but still nobody from CCP has posted anything in that thread. We haven't seen a word from CCP since that thread was posted, in fact.

On the contrary, they've been 100% incommunicado.


Yeah she admits the original plan was to stall and ignore players. Then they decided to do it even more.

Saying it again.

Micro trans only made sense if EvE online was losing money.

But its very much the opposite. EvE online is making enough money that CCP felt they could field developing two other games.

EvE is a money maker under its sub based plan. No reason for MT other then pure greed.

This is now just them blatantly sticking it to the loyal player base and trying to bilk them for more money.

This is pure abuse of the players. If the sub model wasn't profitable I might understand the move to add MT. But This is complete crap on ever level.

If you go with the addict logic. CCP is basically big tobacco and you are the smoker that keeps buying knowing its killing you. And you are going to do it with a smile on your face?

Its indefensible.

Adunh Slavy
Ammatar Trade Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.29 07:00:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Ben Stillers

Yes, you are correct young padawan, the issue is bigger than a monacle. The "monacle" was not the focus of my complaint. It was an example used to validate my point. Making threats and blowing up the forums with "I'ma unsub" seems a bit childish in my opinion. And it happens nearly every time there is a change. People are like sheep and tend to follow the biggest perceived trends. And, over-zealous complainers tend to cause the big waves that sink games. I've seen it with other MMO's. Sometimes a good game dies because negative hype goes viral. I enjoy Eve as I'm sure others do and I'd hate to see it go under over issues that can be fixed through civil negotiations.



This mob would not have evolved had CCP been 'negotiating' from the start. Get a bunch of angry people together, with common cause, who are ignored and psised ... that is one of the most civil expressions man knows. It has shaped history. Those who pretend to rule would like to think otherwise.

To sit there in your tower of Unrequited Paragraphs, upon your throne of Horrible Format and Structure, and ask for calm civility is so very easy I'm sure, to call the rambling masses children. If you examine all of the events, these 'sheep' have remained rather focused on a small set of objectives. This truth never seems to dawn on those who have the arrogance to pretend they can judge.

If the mobs desires are satisfied, Eve will return to its usual fractured ways, and so will the forums. That this event has transpired at all is something of note.

Originally by: Ben Stillers

And for those who say I'm an idiot, you just proved you fit the definition of the word you just used. Name-calling is an ambiguous way to associate a person with a negative characterization when you have no evidence to support your assumption. MY assumption is you overestimate your own intelligence.



Your opening statement called the mob children, throwing a tantrum, and now you wish to cite the use of ad hominems in your defense? Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Karma is a btich, ain't it.

Originally by: Ben Stillers

Can one of you experts please show me where my thoughts appear disorganized?


Use some line breaks, it really does matter. Leading sentences, clauses of support, transitioning statements, conclusions - ya know, all that 'organization' stuff.

Ben Stillers
Posted - 2011.06.29 07:06:00 - [38]
 

Simetraz, sorry I wasn't referring to the video. I was referring to the comment about CCP creating accounts to stifle backlash on the forums.

Mars Theran, you did a better job articulating the point I was trying to make. Yes, you are right there are a lot of intelligent people playing Eve. And I consider many to be incredibly more intelligent than I.

And for the record, to everying reading this, I am not saying criticism is bad or that people are wrong for dishing it out. I think its a very neccessary evil for the longevity of any MMO worth playing. I just have been a bit frustrated when people bring it beyond productive to the point it becomes a malignant.

Demure Guise
Posted - 2011.06.29 07:08:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Ben Stillers
...if CCP wants to sell an space Monacle for 1-quadrillion dollars, then so be it. If you think it's redonkulous then don't buy it and move on with your life. All these jackanapes spamming the forums with "I'ma quit eve!!!! ....
FYI - You can cast your vote of disapproval by not purchasing the monacle.

Are you so truly so ignorant that you think it's vanity items that's causing the protests? Yes. Yes you are. This makes us sad.

Fear not, little man - we'll save the game for you and, later on, you can pretend you did as well.

Myshella Drake
Caldari
Omega Exploration And Reclaimation
Posted - 2011.06.29 07:10:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Myshella Drake on 29/06/2011 07:12:27
Originally by: Ben Stillers
Originally by: Myshella Drake
Originally by: Ben Stillers
Yes, you are correct young padawan, the issue is bigger than a monacle. The "monacle" was not the focus of my complaint. It was an example used to validate my point. Making threats and blowing up the forums with "I'ma unsub" seems a bit childish in my opinion. And it happens nearly every time there is a change. People are like sheep and tend to follow the biggest perceived trends. And, over-zealous complainers tend to cause the big waves that sink games.



Please name these other changes where over 5000 accounts were unsubbed? Saying this happens nearly every time there is a change clearly shows you once again fail to grasp the bigger picture. But since you cant even post with your main im assuming your just a troll.


Wait...I'm a troll? I thought I was a noob? No wait, I thought I was a PR Rep for CCP?! Who am I really? I am Burt Reynolds and I have an amazing moustache.

Since you are attempting to take my sentence out of context, and twisting it to support your point, I will simplify my theme to something a little more palatable for your brain. I am stating whenever there is a change people blow the forums with hyper-inflated criticism of CCP. I did not say 5000 people unsub everytime there is a change. Perhaps they have and no one ever bothered to keep track?! Or maybe it harkens back to that thing about people being like sheep exacerbated by that funny phenomenon called ‘going viral.’ Negative energy seems to be a huge catalyst for viva voce.


Sorry but I didn't take your sentence out of context at all. I just quoted exactly what you said and bolded some to highlight the issue I was addressing. Its perfectly in context, unless your denying your own words. You say that 'hyper-inflated criticism of CCP' happens every time there is a change. Im saying NO it does not. The situation is clearly a bit different from previous changes that were unpopular with the playerbase. Why is this so hard to understand?

Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.29 07:23:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Ben Stillers
When a spoiled child doesn't get their way they tend to stomp the feet and whine. This is called a temper trantrum. This type of behavior is not even acceptable for an emotionally immature child so why should it be for an adult? I assume a majority of Eve subscribers are adults as the children tend to gravitate toward WoW. Anyways, if CCP wants to sell an space Monacle for 1-quadrillion dollars, then so be it. If you think it's redonkulous then don't buy it and move on with your life. All these jackanapes spamming the forums with "I'ma quit eve!!!! WAAAAAAH!!", huffing and puffing, are redonkulous themselves. I doubt if you've invested any amount of blood, sweat, and tears into Eve you're going to quit over something so trivial. And if you do, c'est la vie you boob. I think all the negative trumpet blowing will hurt CCP more than their overpriced monacle. And we don't want to cripple CCP since we really like playing Eve don't we?! So, children, it is okay to complain, but throwing temper tantrums is just plain annoying and bad for business. Of course, I know, people can't be controlled and emotional gimps can't be reasoned with so this post will do nothing to calm people down. But it makes me feel better. :)

FYI - You can cast your vote of disapproval by not purchasing the monacle.


Blindly following the leader is the act of a child. You are a child.

Ben Stillers
Posted - 2011.06.29 08:13:00 - [42]
 

Sidus - Thank you for your input. But how does this relate to my post? I don't remember saying anything about blindly following a CCP.

Demure - I think I did clarify to someone else who tried to make your point. Read through the posts and you'll find what I'm referring to.

Adunh - Well, I suppose I should learn to use breaks more often and perhaps my sentence structure is lacking structure.. I may need work on my English. Tell me, is your sentence structure perfect? Kudos to you for knowing when to use breaks though. :)



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