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Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:02:00 - [121]
 

Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Make all CQ items manufactured my players.

Create quality, worthwhile content.

Let PLEX be your MT.

Watch your playerbase grow.

It's literally that simple


Yep thats it in a nutshell.

Imryn Xaran
Caldari
Coherent Light Enterprises
Posted - 2011.06.29 19:21:00 - [122]
 

Originally by: ScreenWipe
There is nothing wrong with CQ, it's just old players like JC here, that's frightened of change. Change is needed to pull in new customers, if 5k vet's are going to un-sub because of it, well, so be it.

I can imagine along with a few years, CCP have pumped millions of krauts, pounds, dollars, etc.. into incarna, are you suggesting they flush it down the bog, all them man hours.. Sigh.. C'mon man, get a grip, there is no way CCP would do that.

I hope that CCP stand their ground in the upcoming CSM meeting, like yourself, i have been ingame a long time(just after beta) and i as many others do, welcome the change, i dont see MT affecting the PVE side of EVE, we still get to blow **** up and collect our LP's.

I do hope they bring the price down on vanity items, at least by a factor of 10.



CCP have pumped 1000's of man hours into CQ, that is true. The problem is that it has absolutely nothing to do with EVE. They needed it for WoD, not EVE, and forcing it onto EVE players is just a beta test for WoD. They have taken our subscriptions and spent it on another project, which is not unusual in the gaming industry, but it is new for CCP.

Whatever they do in the future with CQ will only detract further from the core of EVE - flying spaceships. every minute they spend developing content for CQ is a minute spent developing WoD not EVE. I don't care for them taking my money and plowing it into a different game, but I care even less that I am paying a subscription for EVE only to participate in a WoD beta test.

As for your comment about the PvE side of EVE being unaffected - how do you figure that? When you can buy officer grade mods from MT your LP's become worthless, When you can buy ships from MT your ore becomes worthless, and in both cases the market crashes because the only items with any value left in the game are MT items. The ISK you earn from your missions becomes worthless as well because the only thing that is worth buying is PLEX to convert to AUR, but nobody is selling becuase ISK is worthless. Sure you can still run your missions but why bother?

bw8
Posted - 2011.06.29 20:21:00 - [123]
 

FML the world is ending. i agree with jade.

Bloodpetal
Mimidae Risk Solutions
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:04:00 - [124]
 


To me, "Convenience Micro-transactions" are what bother me far far more than any "gold ammo".

I don't want to have to pay extra to have a better "client". I don't want people to evade game mechanics by paying for "better standings".

Players should not have to pay to improve their experience/expectations of the game as they interact. That is a far greater "sin" to the community, although I hate to prioritize as they are all equally negative.



Bogran
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:15:00 - [125]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/06/2011 12:31:48

This can be considered an addendum to my initial post on the subject
from the EveNews24 "greed is good?" leak thread.

Having had a few days to think about all this and now with anticipation of the upcoming CSM/CCP summit at the end of the week I’d like to expand on my earlier points.

1. End Mandatory Captains Quarters. This is the no-brainer in the equation really. The CSM need to get a commitment from CCP to restore the old hanger environment/functionality and add “disembark to CQ” as an icon choice.

If it takes a month of programming it’s more than worth it. This will immediately deal with the performance/heat issues by allowing Eve players to skip CQ’s until the option is properly optimized while letting new-users (who are likely on just one client) experience the environment. By all means have the NPE start in CQ.

This needs to happen and I’d like an additional undertaking from CCP that they will not ignore SISI feedback on an issue like this in the future.





tbh this is the one that really ****es me off, for me its game breaking, i can no longer play eve the way i used to before incarna. make it optional as im not upgrading a pc that dosnt need to be so i can run 6 accounts with no problems again. it worked fine before that patch, it needs to work fine after.

Cheiftan
Minmatar
Shinryaku
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:15:00 - [126]
 

This is the best thing ive read so far during this whole situation, very well thought through, now all we need to do is get you a job with CCP Laughing

Muchos Besitos
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:33:00 - [127]
 

I had no idea DUST 514 was going to rely heavily on real cash for arming your troops. I suppose I need to read up on that upcoming release. But, if that is true it's yet another sad tactic by CCP. I agree the CSM meeting needs full disclosure as to what the intentions are for the future of EVE and DUST 514. Bottom line I feel players do not want any form of cash to provide unfair advantages and break the integrity of the gaming experience.

I was on fire when PLEX first came out, as it basically made the illegal purchasing of isk a legal way for CCP to profit from it. I will always believe that any form of cash purchases for Eve should NEVER be able to be transformed into game value. I still feel PLEX hurts this game, but I see now it will never change.

As for the CSM, make sure you hit this vanity store hard. Propose specific items based on game seniority and skillpoints. Give vets some form of prestige, and not just those that hold the cash.

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.29 21:44:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: Imryn Xaran
CCP have pumped 1000's of man hours into CQ, that is true. The problem is that it has absolutely nothing to do with EVE. They needed it for WoD, not EVE, and forcing it onto EVE players is just a beta test for WoD. They have taken our subscriptions and spent it on another project, which is not unusual in the gaming industry, but it is new for CCP.

Whatever they do in the future with CQ will only detract further from the core of EVE - flying spaceships. every minute they spend developing content for CQ is a minute spent developing WoD not EVE. I don't care for them taking my money and plowing it into a different game, but I care even less that I am paying a subscription for EVE only to participate in a WoD beta test.

As for your comment about the PvE side of EVE being unaffected - how do you figure that? When you can buy officer grade mods from MT your LP's become worthless, When you can buy ships from MT your ore becomes worthless, and in both cases the market crashes because the only items with any value left in the game are MT items. The ISK you earn from your missions becomes worthless as well because the only thing that is worth buying is PLEX to convert to AUR, but nobody is selling becuase ISK is worthless. Sure you can still run your missions but why bother?

Jason C
Caldari
ProtoStar Trading
Posted - 2011.06.30 00:10:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Jonathan Malcom
Couldn't have said it better myself.

Make all CQ items manufactured my players.

Create quality, worthwhile content.

Let PLEX be your MT.

Watch your playerbase grow.

It's literally that simple



Yep thats it in a nutshell.



Only thing I would add is that anyone banned during the protests be reinstated. They should receive apologies and some kind of recompense. It's CCP fault for their failure to communicate to their customers, us.

Lii'ta
Posted - 2011.06.30 08:33:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Imryn Xaran
CCP have pumped 1000's of man hours into CQ, that is true. The problem is that it has absolutely nothing to do with EVE. They needed it for WoD, not EVE, and forcing it onto EVE players is just a beta test for WoD. They have taken our subscriptions and spent it on another project, which is not unusual in the gaming industry, but it is new for CCP.

Whatever they do in the future with CQ will only detract further from the core of EVE - flying spaceships. every minute they spend developing content for CQ is a minute spent developing WoD not EVE. I don't care for them taking my money and plowing it into a different game, but I care even less that I am paying a subscription for EVE only to participate in a WoD beta test.

As for your comment about the PvE side of EVE being unaffected - how do you figure that? When you can buy officer grade mods from MT your LP's become worthless, When you can buy ships from MT your ore becomes worthless, and in both cases the market crashes because the only items with any value left in the game are MT items. The ISK you earn from your missions becomes worthless as well because the only thing that is worth buying is PLEX to convert to AUR, but nobody is selling becuase ISK is worthless. Sure you can still run your missions but why bother?

Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
Posted - 2011.06.30 08:43:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: Misanth on 30/06/2011 08:44:40
Originally by: Jade Constantine
For CCP to give an honest commitment that there will "never be gamechanging MT in Eve online" then they'll need to either bin dust or make it a subscription based game.

Can you see that happening?


That did not address what I mentioned about the distrust for CCP, and CSM. Personally I feel this is the core issue, everything else is just related to it. Like the vanity, non-vanity items for MT etc.. it was promised, repeatedly, it would be vanity only. Yet, we face a different reality.

But, let's not derail this; I'm just saying that if you do a writeup with issues that CCP should address, then their dishonesty should be on the top. And one possible solution, would be for CCP to actually use CSM for what it was intended for. Transparency. Kill off the NDA, for starters. Start feeding them intel they can feed players. Use them, actively, as an intel source.

And make sure to feed bad news too, not just what CCP want us to hear. And take a look at these facts: a) CCP lies to customers, b) and to CSM, c) CCP ban people that "leak information" (truthful information that in no way is company secrets, or in other way harmful), we can look at Kugu/T20 and this recent newletter/Helicity, just for some higher profile examples.

I've worked as GM in another MMO, I know what CCP does isn't exactly rare. But it does not fit a company that has had such a great relationship with their customer base. As such, it should be a prime concern both for CCP and for us players, to try redeem this relationship somehow. And it's all in CCP's hands, as they are the bad guys. (CSM is not the solution, for all we know, CCP could be lying to them and feeding them selective information - again). We need this straight from upper management.

Edit; Oh and just to addess what you mentioned regarding MT and Dust. Yeah, MT is here to stay. The question is what kind of influence Dust can and will have, but we still have the economical/political landscape we do in EVE. Non-vanity items mustn't affect that, which is a huge, if not the single most important core, part of this game.

raukhur
NorthMount
Posted - 2011.06.30 08:46:00 - [132]
 

Let all items be player made but put a tax on sales to feed into CCP's development chest.

Solved?

Lii'ta
Posted - 2011.06.30 08:48:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Misanth
I've worked as GM in another MMO, I know what CCP does isn't exactly rare. But it does not fit a company that has had such a great relationship with their customer base. As such, it should be a prime concern both for CCP and for us players, to try redeem this relationship somehow. And it's all in CCP's hands, as they are the bad guys. (CSM is not the solution, for all we know, CCP could be lying to them and feeding them selective information - again). We need this straight from upper management.


Edit; Oh and just to addess what you mentioned regarding MT and Dust. Yeah, MT is here to stay. The question is what kind of influence Dust can and will have, but we still have the economical/political landscape we do in EVE. Non-vanity items mustn't affect that, which is a huge, if not the single most important core, part of this game.


Not to mention these other companies don't really need that kinda player input. At best they have player teams who help balance out classes etc, but not drive the game as such(how we view eve anyway? maybe not ccp's idea anymore).

Asmodeus Et'Mort
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2011.06.30 11:07:00 - [134]
 

At the moment according to Trebors tweets they are discussing performance issues with CQ, personally I would have liked the MT issue dealt with first. Also still no word from Himmler, oops sorry hilmar to aplogise for the way he has spoken about his customers.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.06.30 13:40:00 - [135]
 

Originally by: Bogran
Originally by: Jade Constantine
Edited by: Jade Constantine on 28/06/2011 12:31:48

This can be considered an addendum to my initial post on the subject
from the EveNews24 "greed is good?" leak thread.

Having had a few days to think about all this and now with anticipation of the upcoming CSM/CCP summit at the end of the week I’d like to expand on my earlier points.

1. End Mandatory Captains Quarters. This is the no-brainer in the equation really. The CSM need to get a commitment from CCP to restore the old hanger environment/functionality and add “disembark to CQ” as an icon choice.

If it takes a month of programming it’s more than worth it. This will immediately deal with the performance/heat issues by allowing Eve players to skip CQ’s until the option is properly optimized while letting new-users (who are likely on just one client) experience the environment. By all means have the NPE start in CQ.

This needs to happen and I’d like an additional undertaking from CCP that they will not ignore SISI feedback on an issue like this in the future.





tbh this is the one that really ****es me off, for me its game breaking, i can no longer play eve the way i used to before incarna. make it optional as im not upgrading a pc that dosnt need to be so i can run 6 accounts with no problems again. it worked fine before that patch, it needs to work fine after.


Is why I think it had to be top-billing on the negotiations/discussions. Crippling the functionality of the pre-expansion game is simply not playing cricket with the existing player base. That horrible static door workaround is an insult really.



Meissa Anunthiel
Redshift Industrial
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:12:00 - [136]
 

Not really able to comment here or now (public terminal at the iceland hotel). Just letting you know I was aware of this thread and have already voiced the concerns voiced herein in the meetings we've had so far

AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:15:00 - [137]
 

Voicing concerns is one thing. Setting the agenda is another. You punks got rolled by Hilmar.

Lord LazyGhost
Posted - 2011.06.30 18:16:00 - [138]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Not really able to comment here or now (public terminal at the iceland hotel). Just letting you know I was aware of this thread and have already voiced the concerns voiced herein in the meetings we've had so far



Good work

jackaloped
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:16:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Not really able to comment here or now (public terminal at the iceland hotel). Just letting you know I was aware of this thread and have already voiced the concerns voiced herein in the meetings we've had so far


Thanks

I will be interested to hear when we may get a substantial number of devs working on in space features again.

Mater Dolorosa
Posted - 2011.06.30 20:22:00 - [140]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Not really able to comment here or now (public terminal at the iceland hotel). Just letting you know I was aware of this thread and have already voiced the concerns voiced herein in the meetings we've had so far


Thanks Stephan.

I'll have one question: among all the CCP staff members how many are working on Eve, on Dust, on WoD ?

Good luck, et ne te laisse pas rouler dans la farine.

Evet Morrel
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.07.01 06:41:00 - [141]
 

Looky here CCP,

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2011.07.01 11:10:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Meissa Anunthiel
Not really able to comment here or now (public terminal at the iceland hotel). Just letting you know I was aware of this thread and have already voiced the concerns voiced herein in the meetings we've had so far


Much appreciated Meissa - I'm looking forward to seeing the detailed minutes of their responses to these issues. Please stay strong and keep the faith!


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