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Uther Istavel
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:22:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren
avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know.


No, the major benefit of these thingy's is that they are more efficient than ballistic ammunition. There is still recoil, lots of it.

Cubus
Caldari
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:22:00 - [32]
 

Edited by: Cubus on 28/06/2011 11:22:55
Originally by: Najian
Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound.


That's the way it should be. Make it happen, physicists!

kyrieee
Bite me inc.
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:22:00 - [33]
 

Railguns experience a recoil force but they have no moving parts and should not animate. It's not a pistol.

Mater Dolorosa
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:23:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Mater Dolorosa on 28/06/2011 11:23:26

The "art" team could not even make sharp & clear new icons, what did you expect ?

So Cash
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:26:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren
avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know.

You just failed physics. Forever.


You just failed at life...

Why sabot being fired by via magnetic fields cause an explosive like recoil?


Mikal Morataya
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:29:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Mikal Morataya on 28/06/2011 11:29:45
I am sure one of the devs said the plan was to remove recoil from guns that didn't but they liked the graphic affect so much it stayed.

If only gun recoil was all we had to worry about..

Athellant Nardieu
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:31:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Haeri

Photons have momentum.


But that's photons, and not the electromagnetic wave [light] itself. Something has to act upon light for it to emit the photons iirc.

Kara Kugisa
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:31:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Najian
Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound.




According to a quick google search:

Sound waves exist as variations of pressure in a medium such as air. They are created by the vibration of an object, which causes the air surrounding it to vibrate. The vibrating air then causes the human eardrum to vibrate, which the brain interprets as sound.

So without air in space how can the vibrating air cause sound ?

There may be sound waves but you wont hear them.

Najian
Lamb Federation Navy
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:34:00 - [39]
 

What is this vibration nonsense. If your google research was true it would cause everything to blur because the vibrating soundwaves would obscure clear vision.

Rolling Eyes

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:35:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Athellant Nardieu
But that's photons, and not the electromagnetic wave [light] itself. Something has to act upon light for it to emit the photons iirc.
Light is photons it doesn't emit them. It's the light source that emits the photons/light.

Whether you see it as a particle or a wave depends on how you choose to observe it.

Athellant Nardieu
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:36:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Kara Kugisa
Originally by: Najian
Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound.




According to a quick google search:

Sound waves exist as variations of pressure in a medium such as air. They are created by the vibration of an object, which causes the air surrounding it to vibrate. The vibrating air then causes the human eardrum to vibrate, which the brain interprets as sound.

So without air in space how can the vibrating air cause sound ?

There may be sound waves but you wont hear them.


I can't believe you had to Google search that. It's elementary physics.

Naloth
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:36:00 - [42]
 

Edited by: Naloth on 28/06/2011 11:37:21
Originally by: Kara Kugisa

According to a quick google search:

Sound waves exist as variations of pressure in a medium such as air. They are created by the vibration of an object, which causes the air surrounding it to vibrate. The vibrating air then causes the human eardrum to vibrate, which the brain interprets as sound.

So without air in space how can the vibrating air cause sound ?

There may be sound waves but you wont hear them.


We call them trolls, mate. Don't feed em.

Originally by: Athellant Nardieu

I can't believe you had to Google search that. It's elementary physics.

+1

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:37:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Athellant Nardieu
Originally by: Cataca
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Fellblade
There is recoil on railguns.

QFT


Every force has a counterforce, even light.


Light isn't a force.


Actually photons are the carrier of the electromagnetic force... so they are in fact literally a force...

Athellant Nardieu
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:38:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Athellant Nardieu
But that's photons, and not the electromagnetic wave [light] itself. Something has to act upon light for it to emit the photons iirc.
Light is photons it doesn't emit them. It's the light source that emits the photons/light.

Whether you see it as a particle or a wave depends on how you choose to observe it.


My bad. Yet to do A level Physics (Senior Highschool level for those Americans) so had to just read up here and there.

Crispin McTarmac
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:42:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: kyrieee
Railguns experience a recoil force but they have no moving parts and should not animate. It's not a pistol.


Railguns don't just experience a bit of recoil force. They experience a LOT of recoil force. If any gun should recoil, it should be the railgun.

What concerns me is that a lot of the railgun models, particularly the dual ones, look much more like blasters than the actual blasters do. They even have a round bit for the cyclotron and everything. Do you think maybe some of the models got mixed up?

Terrorform
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:44:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Athellant Nardieu

Originally by: Cataca

Originally by: Whitehound

Originally by: FellbladeThere is recoil on railguns.

QFT

Every force has a counterforce, even light.


Light isn't a force.


Banana isn't a force.

Bananaman disagrees.

Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:46:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Athellant Nardieu

My bad. Yet to do A level Physics (Senior Highschool level for those Americans) so had to just read up here and there.


If you have B level Physics you should already have had it...

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:47:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
Originally by: kyrieee
Railguns experience a recoil force but they have no moving parts and should not animate. It's not a pistol.


Railguns don't just experience a bit of recoil force. They experience a LOT of recoil force. If any gun should recoil, it should be the railgun.

What concerns me is that a lot of the railgun models, particularly the dual ones, look much more like blasters than the actual blasters do. They even have a round bit for the cyclotron and everything. Do you think maybe some of the models got mixed up?


actually what annoyed me was that some blasters don't appear to have recoil. I tried out a rig with small blasters on SiSi and the blaster didn't recoil (visibly at least).

Given the energies involved, and the kind of yield we are supposed to get with blasters, the momentum of the shot, and thus the recoil, should be in the order of the momentum of the USS Nimitz at full steam...

Given that recoil does indeed look cool, I would advise giving all turrets as much of it as possible.

Marrious
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:48:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Skippermonkey
recoil looks cool

get over it

There are far more pressing concernt in EVE right now

If the art department needs to do anything, its get the missile turrets completed and then start re-skinning all the ships like they did for the Scorpion and the Maller.


I don't even have to be a Caldari pilot to agree with this statement. =)

Crispin McTarmac
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:49:00 - [50]
 

There's some weird einsteinian thing about light isn't there. It doesn't have any mass so it shouldn't impart a physical force, but somehow it does because space is weird. Either way, the force from light is pretty much negligible even for amarr super-lasers so I hope they take out the recoil for these at some point.

Bubbles Udan
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:49:00 - [51]
 

Railguns are cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqx8tAdID9w

Elienore
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:51:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
There's some weird einsteinian thing about light isn't there. It doesn't have any mass so it shouldn't impart a physical force, but somehow it does because space is weird. Either way, the force from light is pretty much negligible even for amarr super-lasers so I hope they take out the recoil for these at some point.


I haven't noticed any recoil on my Apoc >,>

Jamyl the Great
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:53:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Alpine 69
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren
avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know.

You just failed physics. Forever.


Newton would love this.


Newton would cry if he ever played eve for 10 seconds.....

Soden Rah
Gallente
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:53:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
There's some weird einsteinian thing about light isn't there. It doesn't have any mass so it shouldn't impart a physical force, but somehow it does because space is weird. Either way, the force from light is pretty much negligible even for amarr super-lasers so I hope they take out the recoil for these at some point.



As someone who actually understands the weird Einsteinian thing, I beg to differ.

However the 'recoil looks cool' principle trumps physics anyway... given that recoil looks cool, and physics says it exists I would wager turret recoil is not going anyway.

MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:54:00 - [55]
 

rail guns have recoil.

jut becuase the video you've seen of rail guns on youtube are bloted to the ground does not mean there is no recoil.

In fact if were to bolt down a handgun with no built in recoil it too, would appear to have, gasp, no recoil.

The recoil is not strong enough to move the ground.


However once they put railguns on battships they will need recoil barrels or the whole ship would flip over when the guns fire.

Crispin McTarmac
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:54:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Elienore

I haven't noticed any recoil on my Apoc >,>


I bet you noticed some recoil on the maller at the login screen. It's pretty hard to miss

Bubbles Udan
EVE University
Ivy League
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:55:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Jamyl the Great
Originally by: Alpine 69
Originally by: Adrian Idaho
Originally by: Clairvoiyance Huren
avoiding recoil is one of the major points with these thingys, you know.

You just failed physics. Forever.


Newton would love this.


Newton would cry if he ever played eve for 10 seconds.....


I don't think he would cry because of the game, but he might cry after talking to the players.

Crispin McTarmac
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:57:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Crispin McTarmac on 28/06/2011 11:58:21
Quote:
However once they put railguns on battships they will need recoil barrels or the whole ship would flip over when the guns fire.


It's not so much that, I think the barrel recoiling mechanism is more to prevent damage to the structure of the turret by spreading the force it recieves over a couple of seconds.

Ospie
Ransom and Kill
Core.Impulse
Posted - 2011.06.28 11:58:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Najian
Also, in space, loud noises like explosions and turret fire are EXTRA LOUD because there is no air to get in the way of the sound.




To be fair there is an eve chronicle (or short story, I forget, read it a long time ago) that explains away that problem. It states that early experiments with pod pilots suggested that pod pilots found themselves feeling a bit disoriented without sound, therefore the ships computer simulates sounds for the pilots benefit. Something along those lines anyway. /evelorenerd

Haeri
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
Posted - 2011.06.28 12:02:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Crispin McTarmac
Originally by: Elienore

I haven't noticed any recoil on my Apoc >,>


I bet you noticed some recoil on the maller at the login screen. It's pretty hard to miss

Knowing ammarians they'd make them lazorz look like they have massive recoil to strike fear into those puny lesser races. ^^


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