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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:48:00 - [361]
 

Originally by: Gashblight
I'll need to see these two things before I'll resub.

1. A pledge from ccp that they will not add items to the cash shop that will give a pvp advantage over players who do not use it.
2. Return of the hanger view with an option to enter the stations closet.




You will get neither of those things and you will continue playing anyway.

Just like the rest of the limp-****, empty threat *****es.

I laugh at your impotence. HA!

Mr Epeen Cool

Chainfall
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:48:00 - [362]
 

cross posting this - from the vote of no confidence thread.

Originally by: Fromancia
Here are some news Jón Hörðdal Jónasson COO - CCP confirms that they will never say that they will not sell game changing stuff in the aur store. He also says that he is not worried that many players are going to quit. MBL News service Icelandic

Xenuria
Gallente
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:49:00 - [363]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.








If you guys fudge this and CCP decides to take away MT then I am going to Unsub all 52+ of my accounts.

Janos Saal
Amarr
Posted - 2011.06.28 16:49:00 - [364]
 

Originally by: the plague
Edited by: the plague on 28/06/2011 15:09:38
Originally by: White Tree
If this is just a simple PR move then yeah, we're going to be equally upset but I maintain hope that it isn't. That's my job broseph, to keep hope alive.


I'm sorry, White Tree, but I see no logical reason to give either the CSM or CCP the benefit of the doubt at this time. CCP has clearly demonstrated over the past two years it either doesn't understand what players want or doesn't care. Either situation is rather depressing and there is every possibility that personnel changes will have to occur in order to bring about the kind of shift in focus and design philosophy the players are obviously seeking here. And without significant external pressure, there is zero chance CCP will elect to make such changes on their own simply because "they've heard us." It's naive to believe that.

Second, as your initial post makes clear, you view these problems from a far different perspective than the vast majority of EVE players. For us, CCP is a company we purchase entertainment services from and with which we have a common investment of time, energy, and money. But for you they are your friends and drinking buddies. It is not my intention to sound harsh, but this is one of the primary problems with the entire CSM system as it currently exists. By flying CSM members to Iceland and turning the process into a drunkfest, CCP turns the CSM into a travesty and it's obvious the members become beholden to CCP very quickly. You can deny that all you want, but your denials will fall on deaf ears because we all see it a thousand times a day in the world of politics and the CSM is hardly immune to the same petty conflicts of interest.

Frankly, the entire process appears to be little more than a PR stunt designed to keep EVE Online in the pages of the gaming press. And I say that as someone who championed the idea of the CSM and has tirelessly defended the concepts behind this type of developer/player relationship. But somewhere along the line the relationship went off the rails. It appears to many that CCP is managed like a frat house full of college boys more interested in partying with friends than doing the day to day work that will keep EVE on the cutting edge of the MMO scene. There's absolutely nothing unique or cool about flying to Iceland and getting drunk. There is, however, something unique and cool about EVE Online, and protecting the ideas that made it great is what we're interested in.

Finally, we don't need you to tell us to chill out. The CSM didn't see these problems coming, nor has the CSM/CCP interaction been successful in changing CCP's direction and thinking. We don't need you to tell CCP why we're upset. Trust me, they've heard us! What we need the CSM to do (or at least attempt to do) is help bring about the kind of paradigm shift in thinking that will return EVE to its roots. Short of that, anything that comes out of this meeting will be little more than damage control and spin mixed with some minor concessions. If that's all the CSM is capable of then you're wasting our time. In short, the CSM did little to head off these problems and it did nothing to help generate the energy behind this virtual "revolution." Bottom line: You didn't help start it so don't presume to tell us when to end it.

Stop partying with CCP and acting like they're your buddies. We elected you to represent our EVE Online interests, not represent us at the pub. Our collective outrage and actions have given the CSM a golden opportunity to finally speak with authority to CCP. Don't waste it! Or simply admit there's little you can do and stay out of the way.

Not empty quotin'.

StarRanger
Gallente
Royal Star Ranger Family
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:00:00 - [365]
 

Thanks for sharing your point of how its is going, White Tree.
I think it is important that more people get involve in this stage of how the game is going. It will take a lot of talking and back-communication towards us (the eve community) to settle some difference.

Hope to read more about it from you , CCP Pann, or anyone else there.
Keep our faith and hopes up!

Ms Freak
Amarr
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:02:00 - [366]
 

Originally by: Chainfall
cross posting this - from the vote of no confidence thread.

Originally by: Fromancia
Here are some news Jón Hörðdal Jónasson COO - CCP confirms that they will never say that they will not sell game changing stuff in the aur store. He also says that he is not worried that many players are going to quit. MBL News service Icelandic



Although that is not entirely un-suprissing, and in-deed quite disappointing, it is yet another example of how CCP continualy fails to communicate with it's customer base in a proper and controlled way.

It would appear that there is and internal communication issue within CCP (i.e. they don't).

Gashblight
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:04:00 - [367]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Gashblight
I'll need to see these two things before I'll resub.

1. A pledge from ccp that they will not add items to the cash shop that will give a pvp advantage over players who do not use it.
2. Return of the hanger view with an option to enter the stations closet.




You will get neither of those things and you will continue playing anyway.

Just like the rest of the limp-****, empty threat *****es.

I laugh at your impotence. HA!

Mr Epeen Cool


Sorry not everyone is hopelessly addicted regardless of the **** they are spoon fed. Feel free to call me out after Aug 3 if you see me in game or on the boards without the above changes. *hint* You wont.

Aviditas
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:07:00 - [368]
 

Edited by: Aviditas on 28/06/2011 17:10:30

WT,
First thanks to you and the entire CSM making the trip for spending your time with this.

#1 CCP reps said some really unflattering things about us, their customers so yeah they kinda feel like the enemy to me right now. I would like it if they apologize to you all personally on our behalf.

#2 I want to see a vid posted on youtube by Zulu stating categorically there will never be pay to win MT so long as this game is pay to play as well. Personally i would be willing to pay another 5 bucks a month to make MT go away in all forms. I don't give a hoot what the rest of the industry is 'evolving' towards, there is no law that says any dev company has to follow the crowd.

#3 Absent #2 in some form I am fully prepared to unsub the rest of my accounts (did one saturday) and go play something else. CCP needs to understand they are NOT the only game in town and we can and will vote with our wallets and go play something else.

wingman01
Caldari
Reloaded.
Imperial 0rder
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:09:00 - [369]
 

Originally by: White Tree
So here we stand now at a crossroads. We've had documentation on the state of internal dialog with CCP made public, we've had analyses of CCPs 'apparent' financial affairs, we've caused a thunderous rumble that the entire gaming world has paid attention too. We've brought Jita to a halt and our collective outrage has caused CCP to stop on a dime and swing towards us with open ears. The CSM has been summoned for an emergency meeting, something that has only happened once before.

So now it may be time to reflect on what we've done. As a community we've come together to express our collective outrage, something I'm personally impressed and excited about. That seems strange though, to use the word 'excited', doesn't it? It's not that I'm not worried but my 'excitement' comes from this communities ability to be so loud, so mighty and so powerful that for brief moments in time we are nothing short of glorious supernovae in the proverbial galaxy of pinpoints that is gaming as a medium.

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.

CCP isn't really an enemy to me and hey I'm sorry if you don't like that. CCP isn't infallible, they've boned this one, yeah I'm going to tell you that because its the truth. But they've never been infallible, so its our job to make sure that we steer them in the right direction because without the community Captaining this great ship to her ports of call we're all going to sink.

So what I'm asking you for now, as your CSM, as a member of the community and as an EVE player is a moment of patience. They know they fumbled the ball and they're calling half-time to sort their heads and we're going to be the coach that gives them the pep talk and sets them straight so that we, the denizens of New Eden can continue to enjoy this entirely unique and intricate experience.







A little melodramatic, sorry to upset the good ship riot but most players don't care for the recent dispute, protests and tears. I for one don't care for the outcome of the meeting, im embracing Incarna, and looking forward to Dust 514. The cash shop issue is not an issue for me.

Minigin
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:10:00 - [370]
 

Edited by: Minigin on 28/06/2011 17:10:05
what about my voice?



i like monocles.

have i been heard?

Tugrath Akers
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:12:00 - [371]
 

Just curious, are there any examples of an impact CSM has had on anything game related? I've only heard of stuff that CSM has been against but got released anyway.

Darkstone en Tilavine
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:12:00 - [372]
 

I support CCP and micro transactions and hope CCP makes some decent cash so I can keep playing in an awesome game world they have created.

northwesten
Amarr
Trinity Corporate Services
Terran United Federation
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:13:00 - [373]
 

Edited by: northwesten on 28/06/2011 17:16:11
Originally by: the plague
Edited by: the plague on 28/06/2011 15:09:38
Originally by: White Tree
If this is just a simple PR move then yeah, we're going to be equally upset but I maintain hope that it isn't. That's my job broseph, to keep hope alive.


I'm sorry, White Tree, but I see no logical reason to give either the CSM or CCP the benefit of the doubt at this time. CCP has clearly demonstrated over the past two years it either doesn't understand what players want or doesn't care. Either situation is rather depressing and there is every possibility that personnel changes will have to occur in order to bring about the kind of shift in focus and design philosophy the players are obviously seeking here. And without significant external pressure, there is zero chance CCP will elect to make such changes on their own simply because "they've heard us." It's naive to believe that.

Second, as your initial post makes clear, you view these problems from a far different perspective than the vast majority of EVE players. For us, CCP is a company we purchase entertainment services from and with which we have a common investment of time, energy, and money. But for you they are your friends and drinking buddies. It is not my intention to sound harsh, but this is one of the primary problems with the entire CSM system as it currently exists. By flying CSM members to Iceland and turning the process into a drunkfest, CCP turns the CSM into a travesty and it's obvious the members become beholden to CCP very quickly. You can deny that all you want, but your denials will fall on deaf ears because we all see it a thousand times a day in the world of politics and the CSM is hardly immune to the same petty conflicts of interest.

Frankly, the entire process appears to be little more than a PR stunt designed to keep EVE Online in the pages of the gaming press. And I say that as someone who championed the idea of the CSM and has tirelessly defended the concepts behind this type of developer/player relationship. But somewhere along the line the relationship went off the rails. It appears to many that CCP is managed like a frat house full of college boys more interested in partying with friends than doing the day to day work that will keep EVE on the cutting edge of the MMO scene. There's absolutely nothing unique or cool about flying to Iceland and getting drunk. There is, however, something unique and cool about EVE Online, and protecting the ideas that made it great is what we're interested in.

Finally, we don't need you to tell us to chill out. The CSM didn't see these problems coming, nor has the CSM/CCP interaction been successful in changing CCP's direction and thinking. We don't need you to tell CCP why we're upset. Trust me, they've heard us! What we need the CSM to do (or at least attempt to do) is help bring about the kind of paradigm shift in thinking that will return EVE to its roots. Short of that, anything that comes out of this meeting will be little more than damage control and spin mixed with some minor concessions. If that's all the CSM is capable of then you're wasting our time. In short, the CSM did little to head off these problems and it did nothing to help generate the energy behind this virtual "revolution." Bottom line: You didn't help start it so don't presume to tell us when to end it.

Stop partying with CCP and acting like they're your buddies. We elected you to represent our EVE Online interests, not represent us at the pub. Our collective outrage and actions have given the CSM a golden opportunity to finally speak with authority to CCP. Don't waste it! Or simply admit there's little you can do and stay out of the way.


+ 1 !!!!!

Originally by: wingman01


stuff




Do you know even know what's it all about? I doubt it... Rolling Eyes

Nath Blazek
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:13:00 - [374]
 

Love the attitude you are taking into the meeting. The entire industry and the local papers in Iceland are all watching.

The is unique in the History of MMOs, maybe with the other exception being Funcom and their AO disaster several years ago.

They ended up being F2P or Premium. I'm not sure if their COO has the same tunnel vision as CCPs though.

After reading his statement, it seems your meeting is more a 'how do we get the playerbase to accept our vision' rather than listening to concerns and addressing them.

Good Luck, 1 account is biomassed, the other expires 7/20.

"If you make 1 person happy, they will tell another, if you make 1 person angry, they will tell 10. It's exponential after that" - Zig Zigler

Mechael
Minmatar
Helhest 1st Prospectors' Collective
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:16:00 - [375]
 

Remove and replace the board of directors in its entirety.
Fire anyone who believes that microtransactions in any form have a place in EVE Online.
Get rid of ALL microtransactions, PLEX was a sketchy enough thing to add.

Those are my terms. If you represent me, you'll make these demands. If these things do not happen, CCP will not only never get another dime from me, but I'll be steering everyone I meet as far away from their products as I can.

Kick the rascals out of office! Lying, cheating, two-timing, money-grubbing bastards.

the plague
Anthraxus Defense Laboratories
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:17:00 - [376]
 

Edited by: the plague on 28/06/2011 17:22:04
Originally by: Windjammer
There are a lot of critics of the CSM in this thread and maybe some of that is justified criticism, but there’s room to believe they’ll do better this trip. Sure they got treated like chumps last time, but that’s all the more reason they’re not inclined to let it happen this time.


That argument would be easier to accept had White Tree not started off the thread by telling us how cool it is to hang out with his friends -- the devs -- at the pub. On the contrary, there is every reason to believe CCP will have already decided what they are going to do prior to the meeting, and that the CSM is being summoned in an attempt to legitimize CCP's decision and re-focus the attention of the game press.

If the CSM is complicit in these shenanigans then it has outlived its usefulness as a player organization. The CSM's role here is clear: To represent player interests in EVE Online. If the CSM can do nothing given the golden opportunity the community has created for it, then it needs to go away.

xxVastorxx
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:18:00 - [377]
 

seeing all those protesters in major market hub systems makes me want to play Smartbomb with a geddon. lots of rookie ships ive seen and faction ships perfect time to get some suicide ganks :D

Kuronaga
Black Snake Syndicate
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:23:00 - [378]
 

Originally by: White Tree

So, what do we do now? For me, and as many of the CSMs that can make it we will carry the torch of outrage to CCP. We'll stand at Zeus's foot and in your name we'll roar so loud that Olympus will shake. But this is where your opinions and mine may diverge, friends. I don't see our custodians of content as enemies. I can't because I've seen CCP Soundwave reminisce with CSM Seleene about some of the greatest events in EVEs history because he was there. I've sat and talked to CCP Tallest about how this game is balanced, and when I thought he might be getting bored of me he pulled me back because he wanted to talk about EVE with the sort of passion only someone who plaid the damn game would have. I've watched CCP Hilmar (an enemy as we've made him) tell The Mittani about how people in the gaming industry laughed at him when he talked about EVE, and yet here we all are. We walked through the art department knowing that these people spend many a night actually sleeping at the office and working into the wee hours because this was and still is their passion.


So what you're actually saying is that you're incapable of doing what is necessary because you have been blinded by the personal bias associated with sitting down and having a beer with somebody once.

Ok.

Razin
The xDEATHx Squadron
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:23:00 - [379]
 

Originally by: Minigin
Edited by: Minigin on 28/06/2011 17:10:05
what about my voice?



i like monocles.

have i been heard?


You got your monocle, what the fvck else do you want?

Bill Pitt
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:25:00 - [380]
 

One has to wonder if there is a point to this meeting when CCP are announcing they will not say that items won't be sold.

vanity stuff, fine, but how can you have a player driven economy when CCP add items to sell for cash. Those items will either have to give people an edge or will undercut the economics of EVE.

With the 2nd option, why have an economy at all if CCP will just supply and undercut you. With the second, the person with the biggest wallet rather than skill wins.

While a relative noob and way behind the pace of the vets here, I would see no point in playing the game if I can buy a victory. The challenge is the appeal and if I can just buy it, why bother?

Windjammer
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:26:00 - [381]
 

Edited by: Windjammer on 28/06/2011 17:36:57
Originally by: Misanth
Originally by: Windjammer
There are a lot of critics of the CSM in this thread and maybe some of that is justified criticism, but there’s room to believe they’ll do better this trip. Sure they got treated like chumps last time, but that’s all the more reason they’re not inclined to let it happen this time. Plus, they’ve got the heat of the community to give them ammo.

I say make whatever contingency plans you want, but wait to finalize until we hear what happens. If you don’t hear what you like or you hear something like, “we’re writing up the notes”…………well there’s your answer.

-Windjammer



Related to that: read my initial post here.

I'm no critic of the CSM per se, or individual members. I'm just realistic; CCP has lied to previous and existing CSM members. They've also lied to players. There's been occations where last-minute additions to patches has been added without consulting CSM, and has been done against player feedback on forums, etc.

All of the above make you wonder what the CSM can do, and especially: in critical times like this, it's even less valid to take the CSM to Iceland. As far as we seen (actions, not words), CCP just uses CSM for smaller tweaks and fit them into the boxes that fit them. If CCP have another agenda, they will just do whatever they feel like. Including lying to CSM.

I.e., what the **** is the point? Confused
And that's negative view on CCP, not CSM. I bet the CSM candidates do what they can.
What’s the point? The point is every time someone from CCP, particularly Zulu, has opened their mouth they just pour fuel on the fire. The ineptitude has been profound with notable exceptions, such as Pann. CCP needs to speak to the CSM in private in order to formulate a response by bouncing ideas and words off the CSM to gauge a probable reaction from the EVE community. They need to do this in Iceland and in private so that they, CCP, have some control over the CSM even if the only control is to remind them of NDA restrictions and to have them in a room where they’re not going to fly off the handle and broadcast something that will damage CCP even further. It’s a comfort move for CCP.

The above might be a little hard for some to swallow because they, like myself, know how to handle situations like this without it blowing up in our faces. It’s a little difficult to accept there are people without those skills, but the apparent facts have to be accepted on face value. Witness the history of CCP Zulu, formerly CCP Zulupark.

Flipping that, the cynic in me says the call for the CSM to Iceland is a delay tactic. CCP knows that the protests will lose steam over time. CCP knows that the longer they can delay, the more community apathy will grow and the more they’ll be able to shove down the players throats without it getting spewed back in the form of people leaving EVE in disgust. To CCP the CSM is nothing more than a tool to “manage player expectations” and to give CCP some kind of indication as to how the community might be expected to react. The current CSM has been ignored more than the previous CSM because of its composition. Hopefully, player reaction has changed that.

While the CSM’s current composition may be unsavory to some of us, it is not composed of stupid people and those people are now ****ed. They’re not going to go to Iceland with sunshine and lollypops on their minds. They’re going with the civilized version of pitchforks, torches and a great big dollop of WTF?! attitude.

Either way………….a few more days waiting to hear what comes of the meeting is not going to matter. Keep the protests going. Keep unsubbing. Keep the fire going. All I’m saying is don’t biomass your characters just yet. Wait until July 1st or July 2nd. Beyond that, it’s just a delaying tactic and that in itself will be an answer.

-Windjammer

Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:27:00 - [382]
 

Originally by: Gashblight
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Gashblight
I'll need to see these two things before I'll resub.

1. A pledge from ccp that they will not add items to the cash shop that will give a pvp advantage over players who do not use it.
2. Return of the hanger view with an option to enter the stations closet.




You will get neither of those things and you will continue playing anyway.

Just like the rest of the limp-****, empty threat *****es.

I laugh at your impotence. HA!

Mr Epeen Cool


Sorry not everyone is hopelessly addicted regardless of the **** they are spoon fed. Feel free to call me out after Aug 3 if you see me in game or on the boards without the above changes. *hint* You wont.


Still posting in the forum of a game you quit, I see.

Not hopelessly addicted...

indeed.

Mr Epeen Cool

Enuen Ravenseye
Malevolence.
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:28:00 - [383]
 

Originally by: Chainfall
cross posting this - from the vote of no confidence thread.

Originally by: Fromancia
Here are some news Jón Hörðdal Jónasson COO - CCP confirms that they will never say that they will not sell game changing stuff in the aur store. He also says that he is not worried that many players are going to quit. MBL News service Icelandic



We knew they would never say never, it was always just a question of how they would word their response.

Saying "you will be able to buy items, but you'll never be able to buy victory" is about as non-committal as you can get - they make a response to quell the media (the only ones they're really interested in) and continue on their merry way to destroying the heart of the game.

It's not like we didn't see that coming from a mile away.

SkinSin
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:29:00 - [384]
 

Originally by: White Tree
Originally by: Atlentia
Let's see what comes out of the meeting first, then pat ourselves on the back. I think the customers have spoken as to what has been bothering us for a long time, but my guess is none of those issues that have been sticking us in the side for so long will be addressed.


Just asking for a pause until we can get OUR heads round it and try to hammer out solutions.

And then, if past experience is anything to go by, everything talked about will either be NDA or will take 8 weeks to get the minutes out....

Josefine Etrange
Gallente
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:32:00 - [385]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
Originally by: Miryade Loon

No more trust in us.


I trust that CCP will change back exactly as much as I trust that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad isn't trying to develop nuclear weapons


Hey, he is really not trying to develop nuclear weapons. He is not a scientist, he just pays some for the job!

Jangotat
Minmatar
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:36:00 - [386]
 

Edited by: Jangotat on 28/06/2011 17:51:14
Originally by: Doc Fury
I am certainly ready to examine their actions and not what they say.

/Seriously, how much of that did CCP write for you?
//just asking



This one sums it up for me Wink

All joking and wise cracking aside...good timing with an excellent post.

Subscriptions have not been reinstated, yet, but as stated at the start the "the ball is in their court." Having said that however, the disillusionment runs high at this point and it will take some "concrete definitive statements" to satisfy this player. I shake my head after realizing how much time and money I have invested over the years in this virtual universe on the hopes it was worth sticking with over the long haul.

Here is hoping for the best...o7

Tygr Wolf
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:36:00 - [387]
 

as CCP said to the community, CCP will also be judged by their actions

Minigin
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:37:00 - [388]
 

Originally by: Razin
Originally by: Minigin
Edited by: Minigin on 28/06/2011 17:10:05
what about my voice?



i like monocles.

have i been heard?


You got your monocle, what the fvck else do you want?


pirate hat.

Gashblight
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:38:00 - [389]
 

Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Gashblight
Originally by: Mr Epeen
Originally by: Gashblight
I'll need to see these two things before I'll resub.

1. A pledge from ccp that they will not add items to the cash shop that will give a pvp advantage over players who do not use it.
2. Return of the hanger view with an option to enter the stations closet.




You will get neither of those things and you will continue playing anyway.

Just like the rest of the limp-****, empty threat *****es.

I laugh at your impotence. HA!

Mr Epeen Cool


Sorry not everyone is hopelessly addicted regardless of the **** they are spoon fed. Feel free to call me out after Aug 3 if you see me in game or on the boards without the above changes. *hint* You wont.


Still posting in the forum of a game you quit, I see.

Not hopelessly addicted...

indeed.

Mr Epeen Cool


Trolololollalala

Deloa
Gallente
Novus Alba FerrumSus
Posted - 2011.06.28 17:40:00 - [390]
 

Well CCP where quoted as having said "that this is one of the moments where we look at what our players do and less of what they say.".....well i think this is a case of "at the moment the players look at what CCP does about this entire mess and less about what THEY say", karmas a ***** CCP!

Its a real shame that its come to this tbhCrying or Very sad




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